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Re: Assistant Manager chip

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There is a bit of chat on this in the divisionals thread on this subject( all good natured) but that is really about the side game. Given the 5 gw rounds of the divisionals the chip offers too much advantage when played in a single round ( imo), so the additional points will be ignored for that side game .

The concept of the chip as a stand alone points scoring game is interesting, but I am not going to enjoy it much in fpl.
It will take some careful planning, considering that between 0.5 and 1.5 of your total budget needs to to invested to buy the manager. Also you will be unable to pick three players from the managers team for those 3 game weeks, given that we will want 3 good fixtures loosing a player for that length of time could be painful. Loosing clean sheet potential if you drop ( or do not select) a defender.
Interested to hear others thoughts on the subject as I am still a bit brain fogged and just recovering from covid atm.

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It's alright. I don't have any great feeling about it, either way. But it is a part of the game, so shouldnt be ignored by any side game at any time.

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Re: Assistant Manager chip

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This is a duplicate from the Divisionals thread as it seems to fit here:

A few cleverer people than me have started to work out what benefit one may gain from using the chip. Elevenify shared this on BlueSky.

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The points range is between 1.3 to 8.8 points per week, the average about 4.4 points per week. It doesn’t look as powerful the free hit, similar to a triple captain or bench boost but spread over three weeks.
BUT you can’t have three players from that team. So I could play Arteta in 25/26 and move the AM to Maresca in 27. I’d have to sell one of my Arsenal players to do that who would have similar prospects. I’d gain the half dozen points each week BUT I’d likely lose the clean sheet points from <say> Gabriel that make up a chunk of the points gain. And it’d waste transfers doing it. I’d also have to keep a Chelsea player slot open to bring in Maresca, potentially losing points in the lead up and immediately afterwards.
This doesn’t count the 10 point bonus for beating a team 5 places higher. Of course, there’s more risk and greater likelihood of getting a low score. But I think the risk of distortion is less than feared. The playing field is further levelled because we all get to use it.

In a weekly game like Arnold’s Invitational the impact is even less.
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Anyone know if you get back the money you pay for an assistant manger (after the tree weeks have passed)?

I think I will try to use the chip as early as possible as it blocks the other chips, and I will possibly still have FH, TC and BB still to play when GW24 comes around.

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Need to look into it properly but I like it.......I think :D

Most people will play safe by using Arsenal/Liverpool/Chelsea, and that makes sense, and I'm pretty certain there will be a popular strategy pushed by the content creators/big sites where lots of people (or sheep) all hold hands and do the same thing.

But.........I think there is real potential to try and get a less popular team that hasn't had a great first half of the season and find themselves quite low down in the table.

Obviously table will change by the time we can play the chip but if you look at Palace say in:

GW25 Everton H
GW26 Fulham a
GW27 Villa H


They are easily capable of getting something from those three games and Fulham & Villa are more than five places ahead of them so you would get the extra bonus. Also, the Palace manager probably only 0.5 and you wouldn't want three Palace players so wouldn't mean going without a popular 3rd player.

I'll probably end up playing safe :D but there will be some great scores from those managers willing to gamble on a team that is currently low down in the table but has three winnable fixtures.

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Or, a team in a relegation battle right at the end of the season.

There have been some amazing results from teams fighting against relegation, where they have beaten higher placed teams against the odds, and you also get teams on the beach where they have nothing to play for, that could be something to try and target later in the season.

Lots of options I think, which is good!

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I’m already looking forward to next season’s “Dictator Chip” where your team is bought out by a benevolent, cuddly-uncle authoritarian régime and you receive an extra £50mio to spend on your team.
The cost will be worked out using Amnesty International’s brutality index…..

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I don't like the chip itself but I think the complexity is a very smart move by FPL. This season in particular, a lot of non-casual managers are doing poorly. FPL aren't worrying about the casuals as much, it's the non-casuals stuck at 1M+ who they want to keep fully engaged by providing more ways of catching up through research and planning.

I suspect had this season been a more normal season then FPL might've revealed an extremely high variance "luck" chip that wouldn't have required much planning, similar to the TC. That would serve the opposite function and let casuals feel they can catch-up despite doing a lack of research and planning.

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I can't help thinking this chip may be a trial for a modification to FPL that includes picking a manager + 15 players from your £100m budget next year?

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eagle224 wrote: 12 Dec 2024, 16:23I can't help thinking this chip may be a trial for a modification to FPL that includes picking a manager + 15 players from your £100m budget next year?
Think I once played a fantasy game where you picked a Manager (as well as a team). Can't remember what, where or when, though :roll:

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Hate it.

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RomynPG wrote:Hate it.
Agree, absolute gimmick… wish you could opt out of it!

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jacksosi wrote:
RomynPG wrote:Hate it.
Agree, absolute gimmick… wish you could opt out of it!
You can.

Just ignore it and don't play it.

No one's holding a gun to your head

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Dr. Giggles wrote: 12 Dec 2024, 19:52
jacksosi wrote:
RomynPG wrote:Hate it.
Agree, absolute gimmick… wish you could opt out of it!
You can.

Just ignore it and don't play it.

No one's holding a gun to your head
this :lol:

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like gambit I like to gamble :) , think its a clever chip with lots of different strategy options

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RomynPG wrote:Hate it.
Same. They had so long to come up with something good and they've served us dog turd.

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Resonare wrote: 12 Dec 2024, 14:19 I don't like the chip itself but I think the complexity is a very smart move by FPL. This season in particular, a lot of non-casual managers are doing poorly. FPL aren't worrying about the casuals as much, it's the non-casuals stuck at 1M+ who they want to keep fully engaged by providing more ways of catching up through research and planning.

I suspect had this season been a more normal season then FPL might've revealed an extremely high variance "luck" chip that wouldn't have required much planning, similar to the TC. That would serve the opposite function and let casuals feel they can catch-up despite doing a lack of research and planning.
I think they’re interested in numbers and reach more than the likes of us on here who spend a disproportionate amount of time on FPL (maybe that’s just me).

I suspect they were looking to
(i) disrupt the now standard BB/TC in the two Double Game Weeks that is now standard fare
(ii) disrupt Analytics. That’ll not work completely. Already some good solves coming through. Now with slightly higher predictions by game week as the bonus for beating better placed teams are being factored in (the Everton approach).

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Contemplating running an assistant manager competition as a stand alone side game if there is interest.
No need for any fpl interface,
Pick a manager to start ( have not worked out how to price and rank the managers yet) and score points as per the fpl 6 for a win, 1 for a positive goal difference ( 2-1 = 1 , 3-1 =2 etc) and additional points for playing and defeating a higher placed manager.
1ft will be available every three weeks to change your manager so from the first GW you get a free pick and then 1 ft to be played before gw4 transfers do not roll so play it or lose it.

Just gauging interest atm 10 or more players would make it worth while I think. Could start in fpl gw 17

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Oxford NZ wrote: 13 Dec 2024, 00:51 Contemplating running an assistant manager competition as a stand alone side game if there is interest.
No need for any fpl interface,
Pick a manager to start ( have not worked out how to price and rank the managers yet) and score points as per the fpl 6 for a win, 1 for a positive goal difference ( 2-1 = 1 , 3-1 =2 etc) and additional points for playing and defeating a higher placed manager.
1ft will be available every three weeks to change your manager so from the first GW you get a free pick and then 1 ft to be played before gw4 transfers do not roll so play it or lose it.

Just gauging interest atm 10 or more players would make it worth while I think. Could start in fpl gw 17
So ONZ - what's wrong with going fishing over the Summer :shock:
but I'll play - of course :D

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This can be done while fishing :)

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Spurs 4-1 Villa
Man City 0-4 Spurs

Spurs current position 11th.

The perfect assistant manager is screaming at you right in the face if u want the +16pts for a win in addition to goal bonus.

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There is no doubt in my mind that all the casuals will blow the chip on the likes of Guardiola, Slot and Arteta when Postecoglou is the clear play here :lol:

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BLOCKHEAD wrote: 13 Dec 2024, 05:16 There is no doubt in my mind that all the casuals will blow the chip on the likes of Guardiola, Slot and Arteta when Postecoglou is the clear play here :lol:
I am having Sean Dyche as my assisant manager Block do you like that choice ? . I am having Salah captain as my captain this week do you think that a g ood or bad choice ?

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Oxford NZ wrote: 13 Dec 2024, 00:51 Contemplating running an assistant manager competition as a stand alone side game if there is interest.
No need for any fpl interface,
Pick a manager to start ( have not worked out how to price and rank the managers yet) and score points as per the fpl 6 for a win, 1 for a positive goal difference ( 2-1 = 1 , 3-1 =2 etc) and additional points for playing and defeating a higher placed manager.
1ft will be available every three weeks to change your manager so from the first GW you get a free pick and then 1 ft to be played before gw4 transfers do not roll so play it or lose it.

Just gauging interest atm 10 or more players would make it worth while I think. Could start in fpl gw 17
I will have a go Oxford

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Re: Assistant Manager chip

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Smurphy Paw wrote: 12 Dec 2024, 22:40 I think they’re interested in numbers and reach more than the likes of us on here who spend a disproportionate amount of time on FPL (maybe that’s just me).
That's definitely most of us :lol:
Smurphy Paw wrote: 12 Dec 2024, 22:40 I suspect they were looking to
(i) disrupt the now standard BB/TC in the two Double Game Weeks that is now standard fare
(ii) disrupt Analytics. That’ll not work completely. Already some good solves coming through. Now with slightly higher predictions by game week as the bonus for beating better placed teams are being factored in (the Everton approach).
I think those were both factors as well but I suspect they had several chips designed and planned to go with whichever one best matched how the season is going. The more engaged the casuals are then the more complex the chip and vice-versa.

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Simon (@analytic fpl) has done some good modelling. IF Liverpool Everton goes into GW24 then the three week rolling points prediction for Slot from GW24 is 24.8 points. That is higher than most scores because it includes four games not three.
Bear in mind that
- You can only have two Liverpool players. Someone else has pointed out that this is 8 points more than VVD. That’s the potential upside as compared to just having three Liverpool players.
- You can’t use your TC Chip on Salah if you use AM.

The 24.8 Pts prediction is the highest. Lowest is Southampton from GW27 gaining only 10.4 points - although I doubt anyone will have three of their players already so there’ll be less 3rd player opportunity ‘lost’.
When GW33 & GW36 Doubles are known there will be some uplift in those weeks. As ever, choosing when to deploy Chips in the second half of the season is important.


^ Resonare, yes, I also heard that they’d not decided which version of the Chip to use until a fair way into the season.

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arnold wrote: 13 Dec 2024, 09:16
BLOCKHEAD wrote: 13 Dec 2024, 05:16 There is no doubt in my mind that all the casuals will blow the chip on the likes of Guardiola, Slot and Arteta when Postecoglou is the clear play here :lol:
I am having Sean Dyche as my assisant manager Block do you like that choice ? . I am having Salah captain as my captain this week do you think that a g ood or bad choice ?
Dyche has a double gameweek at least so not the worst choice if he comes in at 0.5M, that means you can keep most of your budget invested in your actual team. Salah is always a good captain choice this season.

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BLOCKHEAD wrote: 13 Dec 2024, 12:05
arnold wrote: 13 Dec 2024, 09:16
BLOCKHEAD wrote: 13 Dec 2024, 05:16 There is no doubt in my mind that all the casuals will blow the chip on the likes of Guardiola, Slot and Arteta when Postecoglou is the clear play here :lol:
I am having Sean Dyche as my assisant manager Block do you like that choice ? . I am having Salah captain as my captain this week do you think that a g ood or bad choice ?
Dyche has a double gameweek at least so not the worst choice if he comes in at 0.5M, that means you can keep most of your budget invested in your actual team. Salah is always a good captain choice this season.
Thanks Block i can blame you if Salah flops :)

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The chip is a blocker so i dont like it. Takes up budget and a player spot and 3 turns of not being able to use another chip.

So i think i'll be looking at getting it out of the way early on. Ideally i want a 0.5m manager and from a team where i dont have 2 or more players already. Also as it's over 3 weeks i'd like 2 home fixtures for the team. Also I'd want them to play Brentford as they are terrible away and be 5 places or more or whatever it is below them.

I've not looked at fixures, but team wise it would probably be a team like Leicester or West Ham ideally. I'll have to look into it more nearer the time but that's my first thoughts on it.

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