FPL 2022/23 price reveals

[Football Hero]

One thing they may have changed is the base price for midfield and attack.

There hasn't been a single 4.5m mid/striker released yet, even from the lower teams. So if you want to stack the defence you are going to need to find extra money for your dead strikers as 4.5 won't be an option.......

They always release players at 4.5m that you can use as a rotter on the bench, so there are no budget issues. Please don't try to pretend that there is.

Even a rotter that gets you 0 points and may sub into your team once or twice a season is no big deal as having someone like Bissouma etc. usually only gets you 1 or 2 points the times that they sub in, so whether your rotter actually plays or not barely matters.

Usually yes, but there are not any so far, and only one 4.0 defender I believe.

Even Romeu has been bumped to 5.0 and he's been 4.5 for ten years in a row!

I'm not saying there are budget issues, what I am saying is that the stacked teams I have seen so far are based on the assumption that they can have two 4.5 million strikers, if that is no longer an option and 5.0 is the base price then they need to lose 1m from somewhere.

Still pretty easy to do as Chilwell and James who were getting huge hauls most weeks in the early part of last season are available for peanuts.

Yes they are made of glass, but if either get injured, you just transfer them out and absorb none of their downside.

What a joke this FPL game has become. I remember being really excited about GW1 approaching and getting to see who rivals have included in their GW1 squads as the amount of differentiation was huge due to players being more accurately priced. Now though, you know your team will match up with most of your rivals with the only differences being your number two keeper and which rotter you each have on the bench.

Boring as f*ck...

yeah I'm not saying it will be difficult, and they may still have some 4.5m players from mid/att, it was more just noting that it could be possible that the base price has increased, and perhaps they are hoping that people will not want to spend 5.0m on a striker who will score almost nothing when they can get a playing Arsenel defender who will go 100+ for 4.5m. And if that happens then you may not get as many teams with 4-5 of the elite defenders.

If the base price has increased then Salah and co. are even cheaper compared to base level.

Pretty unlikely that the base price has increased though as Rice is 5.0 and he will likely be 0.5 above the rotter's at 4.5, as opposed to Rice being at base level himself.

This absolutely sucks and the game is poor for yet another season.

[Bob Newhart]

Boring as f*ck...

Guess we won't be counting the FPL pricers amongst your Football Heroes, then...

[Mav3rick]

Fri	Arsenal Saka 8.0 Odegaard 6.5 Ramsdale 5.0 White 4.5 Tomiyasu 4.5 Gabriel 5.0 Tierney 5.0 Martinelli 6.0 ESR 6.0 Viera 6.0 Nketiah 7.0	Man City Haaland 11.5 KDB 12.0 Cancelo 7.0 Walker 5.0 Dias 6.0 Grealish 7.0 Silva 7.0 Gundog 7.5 Foden 8.0 Mahrez 8.0 Sterling 10.0	Brentford Toney 7.0 Raya 4.5 Canos 5.0 (defender) Ajer 4.5 Henry 4.5 Jansson 4.5 Pinnock 4.5 Janelt 5.5 Norgaard 5.5 Wissa 5.5 Mbeumo 6.0	Brighton Cucurella 5.0 Trossard 6.5 Sanchez 4.5 Dunk 4.5 Lamptey 4.5 Caicedo 5.0 Gross 5.5 Mac Allister 5.5 Undav 5.5 Maupay 6.5 Welbeck 6.5	Leeds Bamford 7.5 Harrison 6.0 Meslier 4.5 Cooper 4.5 Koch 4.5 Kristensen 5.0 Roca 5.0 Aronson 5.5 James 6.0 Rodrigo 6.0 Gelhardt 5.5
Sat	Liverpool Salah 13.0 TAA 7.5 Diaz 8.0 Alisson 5.5 Ramsay 4.0 VVD 6.5 Robertson 7.0 Elliot 5.0 Thiago 5.5 Darwin 9.0 Jota 9.0	Man Utd CR7 10.5 Fernandes 10.0 Sancho 7.5 DDG 5.0 Shaw 5.0 Telles 5.0 Varane 5.0 Elanga 5.0 Fred 5.5 Van de Beek 5.5 Rashford 6.5	Wolves Jimenez 7.0 Sa 5.0 Jonny 4.5 Aït-Nouri 4.5 Kilman 4.5 Coady 5.0 Semedo 5.0 Neto 5.5 Neves 5.5 Podence 5.5 Hwang 6.0	Villa Watkins 7.5 Ings 7.0 Coutinho 7.0 Cash 5.0 Martinez 5.0 Digne 5.0 Diego Carlos 5.0 Kamara 5.0 McGinn 5.5 Ramsey 5.5 Buendia 6.0	Fulham Mitrovic 6.5 Wilson 6.0 De Cordova-Reid 5.5 Rodak 4.5 Ream 4.5 Tete 4.5 Tosin 4.5 Cairney 5.0 Cavaleiro 5.0 Kebano 5.5 Muniz 5.5
Sun	Chelsea Mendy - £5.0m James - £6.0m Chilwell - £6.0m Silva - £5.5m Azpilicueta - £5.0m Mount - £8.0m Jorginho - £6.0m Pulisic - £6.0m Hudson-Odoi - £5.5m Havertz (FWD) - £8.0m Werner - £8.0m	West Ham Bowen 8.5 Antonio 7.5 Aguerdddddddddddd 5.0 Coufal 4.5 Johnson 4.5 Creswell 5.0 Rice 5.0 Fornals 5.5 Lanzini 5.5 Soucek 5.5 Benrahma 6.0	Newcastle ASM 6.5 Guimaraes 6.0 Wilson 7.5 Pope 5.0 Burn 4.5 Schar 4.5 Targett 5.0 Trippier 5.0 Willock 5.0 Joelinton 6.0 MID Wood 6.0	Southampton JWP 6.5 KWP 4.5 Adams 6.5 Bazunu 4.5 Bednarek 4.5 Bella-Kotchap 4/5 Perraud 4.5 Salisu 4.5 Armstrong 5.0 Romeu 5.0 Redmond 5.5	Bournemouth Solanke 6.0 Travers 4.5 Zemura 4.5 Fredericks 4.5 Kelly 4.5 Cook 5.0 Anthony 5.5 Billing 5.5 Brooks 5.5 Christie 5.5 Moore 5.5
Mon	Spurs?	Leicester?	Palace?	Everton?	Forest?

[blahblah]

Trippier at 5m

[Gambit]

Trippier at 5m

The same price as Romeu and cheaper than Moore Absolute insanity.

I can see why so many think there has got to be some kind of change coming.

[Football Hero]

Just saw that Bowen has had an increase to 8.5m after he had a good season, (but still scored less points than TAA off the top of my head). Yet TAA is kept at 7.5 rather than being 8.5, 9.0 or 9.5.

TAA has been hauling for many years too, so his ability is more certain compared to Bowen who could have fluked a one-off good year.

It doesn't matter that one is a 'defender' and one is a 'midfielder' as that is just a notional categorisation for formation purposes. What really matters is their bottom-line points potential and so why have FPL allowed such a silly value mismatch such as this? They seem to have some issue with pricing defenders and goalkeepers highly, even though many of the best ones outscore almost all of the midfielders and strikers.

The people at FPL Towers are incompetent aren't they.

[Football Hero]

Trippier at 5m

The same price as Romeu and cheaper than Moore Absolute insanity.

I can see why so many think there has got to be some kind of change coming.

What change is thought to be coming?

Do you think that FPL are reconsidering their prices due to a backlash?

Or do you think there will be a change to the points system or something?

[Football Hero]

Boring as f*ck...

Guess we won't be counting the FPL pricers amongst your Football Heroes, then...

I'm just trying to do my bit to hope that FPL reconsider what they are doing before the game hits. Pretty unlikely that they will change anything, but there is still a 0.0001% chance as they haven't actually launched the game yet.

[Gambit]

Any midfielder or striker with the points history of TAA would be 10m, there is no question about that. His price is a joke year after year.

[blahblah]

Any midfielder or striker with the points history of TAA would be 10m, there is no question about that. His price is a joke year after year.

Yep, he's been more of a must have than Salah for a couple of seasons.....

[Gambit]

Trippier at 5m

The same price as Romeu and cheaper than Moore Absolute insanity.

I can see why so many think there has got to be some kind of change coming.

What change is thought to be coming?

Do you think that FPL are reconsidering their prices due to a backlash?

Or do you think there will be a change to the points system or something?

No, the prices won't change, and most likely no major rule changes either. I can just see why people think that, becuase the prices are insane.

I think they want it as easy as possible to pick a dream team and get the users over 10 million plus.

[blahblah]

There looks to be a whack of 5m MIDs, so I'll almost certainly be going 523.....

[Mav3rick]

Just saw that Bowen has had an increase to 8.5m after he had a good season, (but still scored less points than TAA off the top of my head). Yet TAA is kept at 7.5 rather than being 8.5, 9.0 or 9.5.

TAA has been hauling for many years too, so his ability is more certain compared to Bowen who could have fluked a one-off good year.

Bowen performed much better than expected, and so his price is increased, whereas TAA performs as expected and his price stays the same.

You might not agree with TAA's price to begin with, but Bowen's price change and TAAs non change are consistent with what we know about FPL pricing from past seasons.

[blahblah]

Just saw that Bowen has had an increase to 8.5m after he had a good season, (but still scored less points than TAA off the top of my head). Yet TAA is kept at 7.5 rather than being 8.5, 9.0 or 9.5.

TAA has been hauling for many years too, so his ability is more certain compared to Bowen who could have fluked a one-off good year.

Bowen performed much better than expected, and so his price is increased, whereas TAA performs as expected and his price stays the same.

You might not agree with TAA's price to begin with, but Bowen's price change and TAAs non change is logically consistent with what we know about FPL pricing from past seasons.

Yep maybe 9 over 8.5, but Mount is only 8. Maddy's price will be interesting.

[Football Hero]

Any midfielder or striker with the points history of TAA would be 10m, there is no question about that. His price is a joke year after year.

Yeah, and by extension, Robertson and VVD are only a pinch behind him in raw points output, (Robertson plays a mirror image roll to TAA but less set-piece duty, and VVD slighly worse attacking output than the other two but never misses a match so picks up every available clean sheet).

As a result, it is more of an issue when multiple players are grossly mispriced. If it was just TAA then it wouldn't be as much of an issue, it would just be a 14 man + TAA squad game. But no, FPL have to fook up the prices for virtually every regular defender and goalkeeper for the top teams.

[Football Hero]

Just saw that Bowen has had an increase to 8.5m after he had a good season, (but still scored less points than TAA off the top of my head). Yet TAA is kept at 7.5 rather than being 8.5, 9.0 or 9.5.

TAA has been hauling for many years too, so his ability is more certain compared to Bowen who could have fluked a one-off good year.

Bowen performed much better than expected, and so his price is increased, whereas TAA performs as expected and his price stays the same.

You might not agree with TAA's price to begin with, but Bowen's price change and TAAs non change are consistent with what we know about FPL pricing from past seasons.

This is a fallacious argument and you know it. I expected better from you.

[Mav3rick]

This is a fallacious argument and you know it.

How so? TAA was priced, performed to expectations and has the same price this season? I don't understand why that is surprising you and why you're making strawman arguments (well actually you're copying arguments from FPL Andy but anyway) with faux outrage.

Thing is, with other defenders prices decreasing, TAA is actually more expensive, at least in the VORP sense anyway?

[hancockjr]

One observation - hasn't the most usual formation over the years been 3-5-2 or 3-4-3; ie 3 defenders? If so, it makes sense to have defenders marginally cheaper, as the formation choice suggests they have been over-priced in the past?

There is a possible caveat here - it may be because there are better base price bench options in defence, but I don't thin that's actually the case?

Overall though I agree - budget won't be as hard as usual, and that makes for a duller game.

[Football Hero]

This is a fallacious argument and you know it.

How so? TAA was priced, performed to expectations and has the same price this season? I don't understand why that is surprising you and why you're making strawman arguments (well actually you're copying arguments from FPL Andy but anyway) with faux outrage.

Thing is, with other defenders prices decreasing, TAA is actually more expensive, at least in the VORP sense anyway?

I haven't seen anything from FPL Andy but it makes sense to have similar points if those points are correct.

Your argument is wrong because you are assuming that earlier season prices of TAA were correct when they weren't. You are also smart enough to know all this so it is silly why you would try to argue for the sake of arguing, very disappointing from you.

[Football Hero]

Also Maverick, you seem to think that a player scoring more than expected means they are more valuable than a player that scores as expected, even if the latter player scores more points than the former.

For example, take two players, A and B, that played the same number of minutes in a season:

Player A: Expected points (150); Actual points (180)

Player B: Expected points (200); Actual points (200)

Your logic seems to be that player A is more valuable than player B and should be priced higher because player A outperformed his expectation, which makes zero sense of course since 200 > 180 and that is the defining factor.

I am giving you credit for being an intelligent member of the community, hence I am assuming that you are just making random incorrect arguments for the sake of arguing, rather than actually believing the logical fallacies that you present.

[blahblah]

That depends on their relative prices......

[Football Hero]

That depends on their relative prices......

Please can you explain more with examples and numbers.

[blahblah]

That depends on their relative prices......

Please can you explain more with examples and numbers.

If they are the same position and A is 5m and B 6m then A is better.

[Football Hero]

That depends on their relative prices......

Please can you explain more with examples and numbers.

If they are the same position and A is 5m and B 6m then A is better.

Wut?

If you are using my example, that is looking at the points first and then deciding what their price for the following season should be.

So using Maverick's logic they would price player A at 10.0M, (180pts), and player B, (200pts), would be priced at 9.0M.

Using my logic, they should price player A at 9.0M and player B at 10.0M.

[itslikebrandnew]

That depends on their relative prices......

Please can you explain more with examples and numbers.

If they are the same position and A is 5m and B 6m then A is better.

Wut?

If you are using my example, that is looking at the points first and then deciding what their price for the following season should be.

So using Maverick's logic they would price player A at 10.0M, (180pts), and player B, (200pts), would be priced at 9.0M.

Using my logic, they should price player A at 9.0M and player B at 10.0M.

You're getting away from the point. The game is based on budget and you want the players that will get you the most points per million.

The game is skewed that defenders get the most points per million and rather than rectify that they have continued the skewing of prices so any midfielders / strikers that outperformed their pricing last season and who would have been attractive this season are not so attractive now(and the defenders that outperformed their pricing have remained the same price). That means the default way to play is with a back 5 and leaves you with a very small database of players to pick from.

[blahblah]

True, but there seem to be few/no 4.5 MIDs or FWDs while there are Defs: so 5atb means a more expensive bench.

[itslikebrandnew]

They didnt give out full pricing of squads, wasn't it just like an 11 and FPL normally have the best depth when it comes to listing squads so i'd be expecting the cannon fodder to follow when the game opens.

In fact the way the Telegraph has priced some Forest players if FPL follow that kind of structure you might be getting your low value ones there in the first 11 which is why they have been left to last.

[Football Hero]

That depends on their relative prices......

Please can you explain more with examples and numbers.

If they are the same position and A is 5m and B 6m then A is better.

Wut?

If you are using my example, that is looking at the points first and then deciding what their price for the following season should be.

So using Maverick's logic they would price player A at 10.0M, (180pts), and player B, (200pts), would be priced at 9.0M.

Using my logic, they should price player A at 9.0M and player B at 10.0M.

You're getting away from the point. The game is based on budget and you want the players that will get you the most points per million.

The game is skewed that defenders get the most points per million and rather than rectify that they have continued the skewing of prices so any midfielders / strikers that outperformed their pricing last season and who would have been attractive this season are not so attractive now. That means the default way to play is with a back 5 and leaves you with a very small database of players to pick from.

No, you are basically just echoing my point. They have made it very easy to identify the value picks, which means it is more likely that good managers and casual managers will both come upon the same conclusions and solutions, therefore reducing the skill level of the game, and making it a lot duller in the process.

They should not have such glaringly obvious pricing imbalances such as this.

[jacksosi]

It’s all very sad, really it should be set up so that you have to pick from teams outside the top half, it would make it much more challenging/diverse.

Hopefully they add in a ‘only one player from each team rule’ , that would mix it up a bit!

[wonkypenguin]

Hopefully they add in a ‘only one player from each team rule’ , that would mix it up a bit!

Ooooh, I like that idea!