Punishments for the ESL Six

[bspittles]

Should the ESL Six receive a punishment for their actions in joining the breakaway Super League?

These are some of the suggestions I've picked up from social media. If I've missed anything suitable off the list, feel free to add and discuss below.

[blahblah]

I've voted for should, rather than what I think will happen....

[bspittles]

I've voted for should, rather than what I think will happen....

Yes, that was the intention. I can't see the PL or UEFA wanting to rock the boat too much, unfortunately.

[blahblah]

I think they should go big and rub their noses in it, but I suspect something softer so as to not pi55 them off....

[forestfan]

I’d relegate them, just as it would produce such an interesting season... title race between Leicester, West Ham, Everton, Leeds and Villa, and a Championship battle between the big six for three places (I know, the rest of us would be basically going through the motions for a year or two, unless they set a higher bar for that lot to go up, e.g. minimum 100 points!)

European and transfer bans are perhaps more realistic and enforceable, though I suspect they will get away with a token fine.

[blahblah]

I'm not sure the Prem has much leverage as they didn't do anything untoward except to refuse their invitation to represent the Prem in Europe?

[forestfan]

I'm not sure the Prem has much leverage as they didn't do anything untoward except to refuse their invitation to represent the Prem in Europe?

Surely there’s a breach of league rules in there at least, given they formally signed up to an unsanctioned competition?

[blahblah]

Maybe, but it's a tad irrelevant compared to the fooook off they gave the UEFA?

Maybe the FA fine them and somehow trickle that down the pyramid?

[murf]

I'm not sure the Prem has much leverage as they didn't do anything untoward except to refuse their invitation to represent the Prem in Europe?

Pretty much this, they didn't say there were going to quit the league or anything.

[forestfan]

I'm not sure the Prem has much leverage as they didn't do anything untoward except to refuse their invitation to represent the Prem in Europe?

Pretty much this, they didn't say there were going to quit the league or anything.

To all intents and purposes they were, joining an unsanctioned league would have forced them out given the PL is under the jurisdiction of UEFA.

[blahblah]

I'm not sure the Prem has much leverage as they didn't do anything untoward except to refuse their invitation to represent the Prem in Europe?

Pretty much this, they didn't say there were going to quit the league or anything.

To all intents and purposes they were, joining an unsanctioned league would have forced them out given the PL is under the jurisdiction of UEFA.

But that would be upto UEFA to deal with as the Clubs explicitly stated that they intended to play in the Prem etc. Admittedly there would have been a certain inevitability of more joining and then the however many Clubs becoming a full blown League and not playing in domestic Leagues.

[Striker]

Despicable as the attempt to form a Super League was, there shouldn't be any punishment. All they were doing was to take greed to the next level. People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones. All Premier League clubs' modus operandi is based on selfishness. If they were to take a series of selfless actions such as pushing more of their TV revenues down the football hierarchy. I might have more sympathy with the 14 PL clubs who haven't been involved in the Super League fiasco, largely because they weren't wanted in that elite group.

[blahblah]

Maybe English, Spanish and Italian Clubs should be banned from International Comps?

[forestfan]

Maybe English, Spanish and Italian Clubs should be banned from International Comps?

A bit harsh on Leicester, Sevilla and Atalanta...

[blahblah]

Maybe English, Spanish and Italian Clubs should be banned from International Comps?

A bit harsh on Leicester, Sevilla and Atalanta...

But they won't mind as they aren't greedy......

[blahblah]

Being less frivolous: it is quite difficult to punish the ESL lot, without rewarding the rest.

[forestfan]

It’s like anything in business etc., it’s a zero-sum game - fine/punish one organisation and you benefit their rivals.

Would make the football more interesting anyway, if the rest were rewarded... they’ve done nothing wrong, just like the person who didn’t join in the criminal enterprise because they weren’t invited to!

[blahblah]

just like the person who didn’t join in the criminal enterprise because they weren’t invited to!

That is pretty much how I see them, yes.

[forestfan]

just like the person who didn’t join in the criminal enterprise because they weren’t invited to!

That is pretty much how I see them, yes.

Forest or Ipswich would have done the same, I’m sure...

But yeah, you can’t punish someone for something they might have done given the opportunity.

[blahblah]

just like the person who didn’t join in the criminal enterprise because they weren’t invited to!

That is pretty much how I see them, yes.

Forest or Ipswich would have done the same, I’m sure...

But yeah, you can’t punish someone for something they might have done given the opportunity.

Of course we would have jumped at it.....

I just struggle with the idea of giving Euro places to the next 6 in line.

[forestfan]

just like the person who didn’t join in the criminal enterprise because they weren’t invited to!

That is pretty much how I see them, yes.

Forest or Ipswich would have done the same, I’m sure...

But yeah, you can’t punish someone for something they might have done given the opportunity.

Of course we would have jumped at it.....

I just struggle with the idea of giving Euro places to the next 6 in line.

A bit like going down through the leaderboards and awarding the ‘00s Tour de France titles/placings? (I know, that’s more a case of ‘probably guilty but no proof’ rather than ‘didn’t have the opportunity to commit the crime’...)

[murf]

Despicable as the attempt to form a Super League was, there shouldn't be any punishment. All they were doing was to take greed to the next level. People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones. All Premier League clubs' modus operandi is based on selfishness. If they were to take a series of selfless actions such as pushing more of their TV revenues down the football hierarchy. I might have more sympathy with the 14 PL clubs who haven't been involved in the Super League fiasco, largely because they weren't wanted in that elite group.

As someone else said, there might be more sympathy for the 14 if they hadn't (largely) voted out of self interest and prevented the 5 sub rule being allowed this season as the bigger clubs wanted on 'health and safety' grounds.

[blahblah]

Despicable as the attempt to form a Super League was, there shouldn't be any punishment. All they were doing was to take greed to the next level. People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones. All Premier League clubs' modus operandi is based on selfishness. If they were to take a series of selfless actions such as pushing more of their TV revenues down the football hierarchy. I might have more sympathy with the 14 PL clubs who haven't been involved in the Super League fiasco, largely because they weren't wanted in that elite group.

As someone else said, there might be more sympathy for the 14 if they hadn't (largely) voted out of self interest and prevented the 5 sub rule being allowed this season as the bigger clubs wanted on 'health and safety' grounds.

What do you think should happen and will happen to them?

I'm thinking of having at least 2 from each in my FF next season.

[murf]

Nothing will happen. Life will go on and maybe they'll eventually find some convoluted CL 'upgrade'.

[blahblah]

Zapping their Ranking Points?

I think UEFA has to do something to be seen to be in control.

[bspittles]

There are a lot of votes for no punishment, but if the act goes unpunished then it will all be repeated at some point in the future.

Are those who voted for no punishment supporters of the ESL?

[murf]

There are a lot of votes for no punishment, but if the act goes unpunished then it will all be repeated at some point in the future.

Are those who voted for no punishment supporters of the ESL?

It's a bit like the NI peace process. Brush the past under the carpet so everyone can move on.

[forestfan]

There are a lot of votes for no punishment, but if the act goes unpunished then it will all be repeated at some point in the future.

Are those who voted for no punishment supporters of the ESL?

It's a bit like the NI peace process. Brush the past under the carpet so everyone can move on.

...until some reckless political move stirs it all up again

[raoul]

Maybe instead of a fine, each club could volunteer to donate a tidy sum to be split among the pyramid. $50m each would go a fair way?

[hancockjr]

There are a lot of votes for no punishment, but if the act goes unpunished then it will all be repeated at some point in the future.

Are those who voted for no punishment supporters of the ESL?

Can I just check - if they aren't punished the process will definitely be repeated, but if they are then it definitely won't?