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Though bear in mind that for every death there will be a load of very sick other people, possibly with permanent lung damage etc, and people with pre-existing conditions are still dead when, normally, they wouldn't be. Age or diabetes shouldn't be a killer of itself.

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All good data - cheers guys.

I think the 'pre-existing condition' thing can be a bit of a red herring. I have read that the most common condition listed is dementia. Presumably because that is the most common condition amongst the age groups affected. I'm not a medical man but I can't see why the presence (or not) of dementia would be particularly relevant to a virus such as this.

Exact numbers aside, it is clear that numbers are falling faster than any logic suggests. An R of 0.4 in London is weird unless everyone is self isolating (which they clearly aren't) especially when most of the rest of the country (similarly patchy degrees of isolating) is still at 0.7 or higher.

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hancockjr wrote:
23 May 2020, 11:34
Though bear in mind that for every death there will be a load of very sick other people, possibly with permanent lung damage etc, and people with pre-existing conditions are still dead when, normally, they wouldn't be. Age or diabetes shouldn't be a killer of itself.
Certain things don't help though. Obesity, underlying medical conditions, your race, age and sex. We could pretty much say that if you're an Afro caribbean man in his 70s, overweight and with a dodgy ticker, you'd be better off self isolating for a bit.

Interestingly the jury is still out on smoking - or was - as you'd think that would be a factor too, the effect is has upon the lungs but I did see a study in Italy that suggested the oopposite :?
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hancockjr wrote:
23 May 2020, 11:29
Dot wrote:
22 May 2020, 19:06
Wish they stick up a reality check daily figure.

Number of deaths under 10 years old
Number of deaths under 20 years old
And so forth up to 60.

BUT with no underlying health issues.


People then might see the wood through the trees. Certainly doesn't warrant the economic depression we are now entering.

Very much doubt it would even approach a 4 figure number.
Something like this? Not sure how they compile them - no chance that zero people had a pre-existing condition that contributed but they weren't aware of, hence which column they ended up in (suspect it's the LHS). Also seems a very high % of pre-existing conditions. I expect this site https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/s ... ly-deaths/ will explain if you are interested.
Basically that's my argument.

so when deaths were at 25,000 just 3 PEOPLE under 19 had died and 32 between the ages of 20-39 had died with no underlying health conditions.

and that warrants a draconian 9 week lockdown and counting and watching daily company's and industries go to the wall.


It beggars belief.

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Has anyone watched any Bundes league games? If so, has there been any gobbing or snotting and if so was anyone booked?

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Seems I’ve been banned from the bad things forum for calling out suprised for what he is . Oh well ...

Edit. Perhaps not , back in and posts deleted

But no , not watched any bundesliga dot although my son has and he hasn’t seen any bookings for it

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Dot wrote:
23 May 2020, 20:53
Has anyone watched any Bundes league games? If so, has there been any gobbing or snotting and if so was anyone booked?
Frankfurt looking like they were on the beach already today but no fines let alone yellow cards

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The new rules, guidelines for horse racing in the uk when it resumes in June.

Seriously you couldn't make it up where do these so called experts come from.



Jockeys required to wear masks upon resumption

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Jockeys will have to wear masks

Sporting Life · Journalist

18:06 · May 23, 2020 · 

Jockeys and stalls handlers are among those who will be required to wear masks under the protocols drawn up by the British Horseracing Authority ahead of the planned resumption of racing on June 1.

The 33-page document outlines a series of measures to be employed should racing get the Government go-ahead to return to action for the first time since March.

Completion of an online education module and screening of all participants before they are allowed to attend an event form the initial stage of the protocols, with further health-related questions and temperature checks carried out before people are allowed to enter racecourses.

Social distancing restrictions will be employed, along with facial coverings for those deemed likely to need to breach the two-metre rule, including jockeys, trainers, stalls handlers, stable staff and valets.



The BHA is also planning an ongoing surveillance programme to monitor the virus in the racing communities, which will include some testing, while the sport will try to reduce the use of any medical or NHS services to a minimum, employing other health care resources, such as private ambulances, hospitals and medics, to protect the NHS.

Social distancing officers will be appointed by the BHA to ensure all measures are implemented and strictly adhered to at all racedays.

While their role is viewed as "constructive" and to "assist individuals in understanding the requirements and measures", they will report any breaches of social distancing requirements to the stewards, who will take regulatory action in line with the powers available to them.

Trainers have also been advised to avoid entering any "difficult or 'fractious'" horses as only two stalls handlers will be allowed as "pushers" at the start


Just watched the 9.42 live horse race from Hong Kong.
Jockeys not required to wear masks.

12 runner field

At least 22 stall handlers, some with masks around their chins.

Saw 4 handlers push a horse in one stall.


This is horse racing. God only knows what that 33 page dossier is all about and thd crap rules scientific experts are asking for.
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Those deemed likely to breach the two metre rule? Jockeys can no longer mill around at the start then unless they are 2 metres apart?

Will all races be a maximum of 4 runners or something and one is not allowed to get within 2 metres. Royal Ascot is going ahead and many runners will be up to 30 runners in sprints. Good luck with that one stewards.



As for only 2 stall handlers will be allowed to push a horse into a staLl Good luck with that one. ffs what planet are these so called experts living on.

How many sportsmen/women have died so far since Covid.

Are we to believe these so called experts are paid a wage for giving out their expert opinions.

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Just saw an interesting chart. Was pretty much true for all ages.

IF you catch Coronavirus, your chances of dying from it are virtually identical to your chances of dying in the next year of something else.

e.g. someone aged 40 has a 0.1% chance (1 in a thousand) of dying in the next year (ignoring Coronavirus). If they catch it then they also have a 0.1% chance of dying from it. Have to be in your 60s before both numbers get to even 1%.

Those are averages so if you don't have underlying conditions BOTH numbers are much lower.

Scared?

BBC News - Coronavirus: How scared should we be?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52758024

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Latest premier league tests- 2 positive out of 996. Slightly lower than the estimated national average of 1 in 400.

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murf wrote:
24 May 2020, 08:44
Just saw an interesting chart. Was pretty much true for all ages.

IF you catch Coronavirus, your chances of dying from it are virtually identical to your chances of dying in the next year of something else.

e.g. someone aged 40 has a 0.1% chance (1 in a thousand) of dying in the next year (ignoring Coronavirus). If they catch it then they also have a 0.1% chance of dying from it. Have to be in your 60s before both numbers get to even 1%.

Those are averages so if you don't have underlying conditions BOTH numbers are much lower.

Scared?

BBC News - Coronavirus: How scared should we be?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52758024
This is the whole point. why has this warranted an economic collapse.

The people who are frightened to go out of their houses. Fine stay in. See you in the in the next life ( if you believe there is one) the rest of the world, get a eff grip, get on with life.


The whole world has gone mad. The UK now only has one agenda- Burn Cummings at the stake. Nothing else, nothing less, forget everything until this comes to pass as everything else pales into insignificance.

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murf wrote:
24 May 2020, 08:44
Just saw an interesting chart. Was pretty much true for all ages.

IF you catch Coronavirus, your chances of dying from it are virtually identical to your chances of dying in the next year of something else.
So, it’s doubling your chance of dying?

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bspittles wrote:
24 May 2020, 10:20
murf wrote:
24 May 2020, 08:44
Just saw an interesting chart. Was pretty much true for all ages.

IF you catch Coronavirus, your chances of dying from it are virtually identical to your chances of dying in the next year of something else.
So, it’s doubling your chance of dying?
You dont have to go out if that's the way you feel do you.
Millions of others are getting on with their lives , the best they can.

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bspittles wrote:
murf wrote:
24 May 2020, 08:44
Just saw an interesting chart. Was pretty much true for all ages.

IF you catch Coronavirus, your chances of dying from it are virtually identical to your chances of dying in the next year of something else.
So, it’s doubling your chance of dying?
IF, and only if, you catch it, it doubles your chance of dying within 12 months. Probably less than double if you are healthy.

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Just chatting to my mum who told me that one of my cousins daughters went to work in a care home recently and was sacked after a few weeks.
Reason given, she was too slow.

She said she was slow because it was ridiculous the amount of time one was given to like get in a room and clean a patient.
She was trying to do things properly given just a few basics like a flannel etc and they expected you to clean a person in like five minutes.

She was trying to do a job properly and not skimp. Also adding the conditions in alot of the home were very poor and many corners were cut.

Bearing in mind 84% of care homes are privately owned and not the responsibility of the government to ensure their PPE is adequate ,I think it's a joke if this is true.

They rob oaps blind with their extortionate charges and many old people dont want to go into them and not just because of their rates.

Just googled the top 50 wealthiest people in Essex and 3 people in the list are Care Home owners.

No shit sherlock

Is it any wonder OAP's with underlying health conditions fall foul to Covid.

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Slowness run in the family then dot?

I see the PM is gracing us with his presence on the daily briefing.

We can call off the search parties now.
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Dot wrote:
24 May 2020, 16:19
Just chatting to my mum who told me that one of my cousins daughters went to work in a care home recently and was sacked after a few weeks.
Reason given, she was too slow.

She said she was slow because it was ridiculous the amount of time one was given to like get in a room and clean a patient.
She was trying to do things properly given just a few basics like a flannel etc and they expected you to clean a person in like five minutes.

She was trying to do a job properly and not skimp. Also adding the conditions in alot of the home were very poor and many corners were cut.

Bearing in mind 84% of care homes are privately owned and not the responsibility of the government to ensure their PPE is adequate ,I think it's a joke if this is true.

They rob oaps blind with their extortionate charges and many old people dont want to go into them and not just because of their rates.

Just googled the top 50 wealthiest people in Essex and 3 people in the list are Care Home owners.

No shit sherlock

Is it any wonder OAP's with underlying health conditions fall foul to Covid.
You're spot on Dot,

I did a job once (quite a long time ago now) advising on buying a few care homes. A couple of 'normal' homes and a couple more specialist. The fees were eye watering even back then, especially the more specialist homes. Nurses were on minimal wages and the budget for food was less than £3 per person per day from memory.

the only job I've done which made me feel worse (apart from some turnaround jobs where a lot of people lost their jobs, but that was feeling bad for the people, rather than feeling sick about the exploitation of the owners) was some consultancy work for a PPI firm. Owners swanning around in Bentleys and Ferrari's, talking about targeting the lowest social groups because 'they'd never be able to do it themselves and they'll be grateful even if we take half of whats recovered'.

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Never mind Covid, this is the very definition of fear: https://www.joblo.com/horror-movies/new ... ers-remake

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Back on topic..

Hopefully signs of good news

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... w-11994770

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https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... y-11994848

Hopefully some more good news, looks to reduce days with symptoms for serious sufferers by nearly 30%

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Any further discussion about Dominic Cummings should use the new Dominic Cummings - Should he stay or should he go thread.

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Thankyou

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https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/22/woman-be ... -12746436/

Our street has a good turn-out but with each week I felt it was becoming more duplicitous

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11726171/ ... time-bomb/

From now on in things are only going to get worse as the OTT reactions to Covid ( in my opinion) hit.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11724327/ ... -salaries/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/11725667 ... ronavirus/

Cannot believe in light of the above news the 14 quarantine rule is going to come into effect in June still.

How many million will be unemployed come September in this country alone. Beggars belief

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I think if the numbers carry on falling around the world the 14 day quarantine rule will soon be scrapped, at least for the countries its falling in (they have already said it will be looked at again in 3 weeks i believe)

There has also been talk of "air bridges" in which the 14 day quarantine rule doesn't apply, to allow British holidaymakers to travel to Portugal for example

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That's a big "if" though. It's logical that in the event of infection rates falling further then everything will open up again, it's just what happens if the rate doesn't fall, or starts increasing again that's the concern.

I'm broadly of the opinion that the time is right to carefully further lift restrictions, but the thing about the air bridges I don't really understand is why anyone would consider opening one up with the UK yet. We've been one of the worst affected countries and (so far) have not been able to demonstrate an adequate ability to test and trace. Obviously tourism is important for the Mediterranean countries, but they'd be severely damaged by letting in a plane load of infected passengers!

Maybe the air bridges are more about short term business travel, or allowing Heathrow & Gatwick to operate as hub airports again.

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Mav3rick wrote:
28 May 2020, 11:34
That's a big "if" though. It's logical that in the event of infection rates falling further then everything will open up again, it's just what happens if the rate doesn't fall, or starts increasing again that's the concern.

I'm broadly of the opinion that the time is right to carefully further lift restrictions, but the thing about the air bridges I don't really understand is why anyone would consider opening one up with the UK yet. We've been one of the worst affected countries and (so far) have not been able to demonstrate an adequate ability to test and trace. Obviously tourism is important for the Mediterranean countries, but they'd be severely damaged by letting in a plane load of infected passengers!

Maybe the air bridges are more about short term business travel, or allowing Heathrow & Gatwick to operate as hub airports again.
I've assumed without any further info, that you would be confined to the resorts when you got to your destination in portugal so that you couldnt spread it so easily. How that works in practice is another matter. Personally i cancelled my summer holiday, lost £800 in the process too (Deposit), but didn't feel i'd get any enjoyment when all this is going on and no doubt with the extra restrictions that would be in place.

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I know what you mean. I usually book late deals to random places but haven't even been tempted to look this year as I don't know if the airlines are even going to exist to take us there, and when you're there I'd be concerned about what happens if there are further outbreaks there or in the UK or the airline/travel company folds in the mean time.

It's really odd times, but on the plus side it might mean that UK resorts get a bit more money later in the year if people don't want to or can't travel abroad.

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