TFF Four Full Draft Game - Season Eight - 2019-20

[thebillfella]

Welcome to season eight of our draft game.

The general consensus is that this works best for 10-12 managers maximum so first refusal in terms of playing go to last season's managers to indicate if they wish to play again this season - please confirm your intention to play again by posting here.

However, happy for anyone else to also indicate an interest to be added to the reserves list by posting here as well. There's no guarantee of a place but if previous managers declare they are dropping out (possibly due to the restriction on number of teams this year) then one of the reserves can take up their place on a first come first serve basis.

As in previous seasons, the draft dates will be aligned to the international breaks while trying to maintain 4 equal periods, with the first one starting 2nd September (I'll work out the rest when I'm back from hols!). I'll also align the FPL Four Full Draft sister game to this to run around the same time for those interested in the combo league (or prefer to just do FPL draft rather than TFF) - will set up that in the appropriate area and post a link here.

RULES

1. Snake style draft beginning on Monday September 2nd, (subject to final confirmation). The order of the draft will be based on the following process.

Firstly the national lottery draw (Wednesday August 28th) will be used, as previously, to determine to the order in round one of the draft. Subsequently players will be allocated different positions in the second, third and fourth drafts as follows, (or similar for a different number of managers).

1 12 6 7
2 11 5 8
3 10 4 9
4 9 3 10
5 8 2 11
6 7 1 12
7 6 12 1
8 5 11 2
9 4 10 3
10 3 9 4
11 2 8 5
12 1 7 6

During a draft a manager can draft as soon as his time slot starts. However he can draft ahead of the time of his time slot if all managers before him have already drafted or if those before him who haven't yet drafted have missed their time slots. But a manager cannot make a selection before 8 am on the day as his time slot, unless all managers have made all their selections for the previous day, or he has dispensation to do so, for example due to flight times.

2. After the initial draft there will be 3 full drafts during the season, (dates tbc – designed to divide the season as equally as possible into four quarters). During all drafts any player who was not on the TFF player list at the beginning of that draft will not available for drafting until the following draft.

3. Every full draft will be held several days ahead of the designated transfer windows.

4. Every manager must re-draft at least one of his existing players into his team during each of the three mid season drafts. so that he only uses a maximum of 10 TFF transfers per draft because TFF only allows 5 transfers per week. (better explained under rule 6).

5. Every player who has not re-drafted one of his own existing players into his team by the end of round 6, must do so in round 7, so as not to risk “going to the wire and cocking up”. As an additional safeguard, I’ll keep a record and if at any time a player looks like he could be at risk of breaking the rule, he will be given a “nudge”.

6. The designated transfer window, i.e. when we physically make our transfers on the TFF site, may or may not open immediately after the conclusion of the draft, depending on the EPL schedule. Every transfer window will be divided into two halves, with Monday midnight representing the dividing point in the window. Every player must bring in five of his new players into the team prior to Monday midnight and his remaining new players after 00.01 on Tuesday, and before the next relevant kick off. This is due to TFF only allowing a maximum of five transfers per game week. Naturally if a manager has re-drafted in two or more of his existing players, his second set of transfers will be less than five.

7. Between drafts managers will be able to make transfers if they have “spare” transfers. (c.f Rule 8). However managers will only be allowed to transfer in players who are not in any other managers’ team. (this tends to involve players coming back from injury or who suddenly get a first team place). Any manager wishing to take advantage of this must post their proposed transfer in this thread, wait a minute and then do the transfer and post that they have done it. This will avoid having two managers both transferring in the same player unbeknown to each other at the same time. In addition any player drafted into teams using a spare transfer MUST have been available at the beginning of the last full draft. At the end of any new draft, managers cannot transfer any player out of their team until one set of fixtures has been completed, specifically not until 00.01 am on the Tuesday morning following the first weekend of fixtures.

8. Managers will only be able to make one of these single transfers if they have at least 35 transfer remaining up to the second draft. (in other words managers will be able to make up to five transfers between Sept 17th and the second draft). After that managers will only need to ensure that they have at least 10 transfers left per remaining draft. Hence in order to be able to make an inter-draft transfer managers will need to have at least 21 transfers remaining in their teams between the November and January drafts, at least 11 transfers left between January and March, and at least one transfer after the last full draft.

9. If a manager omits to do his first five transfers on time, for any reason whatsoever, he will simply make five transfers between Tuesday 00.01 and the next deadline. He will then make his remaining transfers at his next opportunity. This means that his score is likely to be incorrect. If his official TFF score is the same or less than it would have been if he had done all his transfers correctly, he will simply maintain that lower score and there will be no penalty. If however his score is higher than it should have been his score will be reduced by the "illegal" points that he has gained to reduce his score to what it should have been. In addition, for a first offence in a season, he will incur a 10 pt "adjustment" penalty, with a 25 pt penalty for any subsequent offence. The same adjustment rule will apply if a manager omits to make his second set of transfers (x-5) on time.

The second draft will commence on Nov 11th and the draft order will be the reverse of that of the first draft ready for new teams to start scoring on Nov 23rd.

The key transfer date (5 by midnight, the rest during the following days) for the next one is Monday Jan 20th. So if we are to complete the draft well before then we should start the draft around Fri Jan 10th.

Final draft key date is Mar 16th (5 by midnight, the rest during the following days) so we should start that draft around Fri Mar 6th.

https://1drv.ms/x/s!AmtEsxHvNDnggQBo1we ... m?e=eu5hu4

[thebillfella]

In (so far as I can tell - please re-post below if different):

thebillfella
Striker
workie-ticket
Spencer4
sibrown4
Geoffv
morganb
robot

Still to confirm
nathan247
nffc

Reserves
S_sutton87

Remember to hold 1 team back for this.

[gutshot]

I would have a go if you end up with space at the end.

[nffc]

I'd love to. But given that we are only allowed five teams now what are people doing for this.

I've only just started looking at tff for this year to notice the new (bad) change

[nathan247]

In again,

[morganb]

I'd love to. But given that we are only allowed five teams now what are people doing for this.

I've only just started looking at tff for this year to notice the new (bad) change

If you need to, the Telegraph say you can register another batch of 5 teams using a different email address (especially if it's for a side game with no chance of winning the overall prize). There's a post somewhere on FISO about it.

[nffc]

Ok. Sounds a little dodgy to me

Count me in then , I'll play

[thebillfella]

Hi all

So it looks like Striker is going to give this a miss this season (TFF version anyway), but he has kindly agreed to post the draft order tomorrow morning based on this evening's National Lottery draw. Entrants as follows (including the 2 reserves if that are still interested - always happy for new blood!):

thebillfella
workie-ticket
Spencer4 (TFF 4FD only)
sibrown4
Geoffv
morganb
robot
nathan247
nffc
S_sutton87
gunshot

Dropping out
Striker (FPL 4FD only)

Please can you confirm asap if you don't want to be involved in this so we can adjust the draw accordingly? Otherwise, we'll begin the draft on Monday September 2nd.

[Spencer4]

Sorry if I've not made it clear, I'm for the TFF version only, didn't do the FPL one last year and have no intention of changing.

[thebillfella]

Sorry if I've not made it clear, I'm for the TFF version only, didn't do the FPL one last year and have no intention of changing.

Fine with that Spencer. Maybe you and Striker can team up to combine your scores for the combo league?!

[Striker]

Sorry for the delay. Internet problem sorted so the draw should be up within the hour.

So that newcomers understand the process I'll post step by step.

[Striker]

The eleven managers listed in alphabetical order (as per usual) have been allocated the following numbers in the Lotto draw.

Geoffv 1-5
gunshot 6-10
morganb 11-15
nathan247 16-20
nffc 21-25
robot 26-30
Sibrown4 31-35
Spencer4 36-40
S_sutton87 41-45
thebillfella 46-50
workie-ticket 51-55

The balls above 55 are ignored. The first few balls out of the Lotto machine will determine the first managers in the draw. Subsequently the numbers will drop down a line, so a manager initially allocated 6-10 in the first round will then be allocated 1-5 etc. The next few managers in the draw will then be determined. This process continues until every manager has been allocated a position in the draw.

The second draft in November will be a direct reversal of this upcoming draw. The third draft order in January is already pre-set by the upcoming first draft. Essentially those who were drawn at the ends of the first two drafts will be in the middle of the third draft and those in the middle of the first two drafts will be at the ends of the third draft. The fourth draft in March will be the direct reversal of the third draft. The result is that usually everyone has a different position in every draw and that the sum total of everyone's positions in the four draws are the same.

[Striker]

The order of the balls in last night's Lotto draw was as follows;

57 - 41 - 1 - 49 - 40 - 52 - 43

Consequently the first manager in the draft will be S_sutton87 (41), followed by Geoffv (1) and thebillfella (49)

The full draw is as follows;

1. S_sutton87
2. Geoffv
3. thebillfella
4. Spencer4
5. workie-ticket
6. gunshot
7. morganb
8. nathan247
9. nffc
10. robot
11. sibrown4

Pretty sure that I haven't made a mistake but would be good if robot, billfella or any other "old hand" could confirm that.

Good Luck!

[thebillfella]

Thanks Striker - looks good.

[thebillfella]

Here is the schedule for the first few rounds of our draft. I've started it on Sunday 1st in the hope we can get through this is time to get our teams entered for next weekend, but if we proceed after round 1 with 2 drafts per day we won't finish the draft until Friday evening, which doesn't leave much time for those picking last to get their teams in?

Ideally we should start tomorrow but conscious this might be too short notice for some. Please can you all confirm you have read / noted your draft times, and if you are ok to start tomorrow at 10am (or earlier for S_sutton87 if he knows his pick and wants to get going?). If we are all in agreement then we can kick off tomorrow, but maintain the schedule shown below for now with part of the rule (1) that you can draft ahead of the time of your time slot if all managers before him have already drafted or if those before him who haven't yet drafted have missed their time slots.

Draft Round 1 - Sunday Sept 1st
10am - 11am - S_sutton87 -
11am - Noon - Geoffv -
Noon - 1 pm - thebillfella -
1 pm - 2 pm - Spencer4 -
2 pm - 3 pm - workie-ticket -
3 pm - 4 pm - gunshot -
4 pm - 5 pm - morganb -
5 pm - 6 pm - nathan247 -
6 pm - 7 pm - nffc -
7 pm - 8 pm - robot -
8 pm - 9 pm - sibrown4 (2 selections) -


Draft Round 2 - Monday Sept 2nd
8am - 9am - robot -
9 am - 10 am - nffc -
10 am - 11 am - nathan247 -
11am - Noon - morganb -
Noon - 1 pm - gunshot -
1 pm - 2 pm - workie-ticket -
2 pm - 3 pm - Spencer4 -
3 pm - 4 pm - thebillfella -
4 pm - 5 pm - Geoffv -
5 pm - 6 pm - S_sutton87 (2 selections) -


Draft Round 3 - Monday Sept 2nd
6 pm - 6.30 pm - Geoffv -
6.30 pm - 7 pm - thebillfella -
7 pm - 7.30 pm - Spencer4 -
7.30 pm - 8 pm - workie-ticket -
8 pm - 8.30 pm - gunshot -
8.30 pm - 9 pm - morganb -
9 pm - 9.30 pm - nathan247 -
9.30 pm - 10 pm - nffc -
10 pm - 10.30 pm - robot -
10.30 pm - 11 pm - sibrown4 (2 selections) -

FYI I'll try to set up the FPL 4FD for sometime next week as well after the first few rounds of this are complete - I will post a link here to advise.

[morganb]

Seen the schedule - thanks

Re:

Here is the schedule for the first few rounds of our draft. I've started it on Sunday 1st in the hope we can get through this is time to get our teams entered for next weekend.

The next set of Premier League fixtures start on Saturday 14th September so there might not be quite the urgency

[thebillfella]

Ah, good point!

Stick to Sunday kick-off then unless you are all chomping at the bit!

[morganb]

Is round 3 supposed to be on Monday evening (following round 2) as it says Tuesday which means a full 24 hours without drafting

[thebillfella]

Yeh, legacy of moving schedule around. Will edit.

[thebillfella]

Have pm'd S_sutton87 and Geoffv but still no picks so time to get this show on the road - have left what I thought might be their first two obvious picks to be fair to them (this fairness won't last - if you snooze you lose in this format)!

Can I ask that everyone pm's the next pick once you have made your own draft just to keep this ticking along?

Draft Round 1 - Sunday Sept 1st
10am - 11am - S_sutton87 -
11am - Noon - Geoffv -
Noon - 1 pm - thebillfella - Aguero (looks to be in form and want a big hitter up top to begin with)
1 pm - 2 pm - Spencer4 -
2 pm - 3 pm - workie-ticket -
3 pm - 4 pm - gunshot -
4 pm - 5 pm - morganb -
5 pm - 6 pm - nathan247 -
6 pm - 7 pm - nffc -
7 pm - 8 pm - robot -
8 pm - 9 pm - sibrown4 (2 selections) -

[Geoffv]

Have pm'd S_sutton87 and Geoffv but still no picks so time to get this show on the road - have left what I thought might be their first two obvious picks to be fair to them (this fairness won't last - if you snooze you lose in this format)!

Can I ask that everyone pm's the next pick once you have made your own draft just to keep this ticking along?

Draft Round 1 - Sunday Sept 1st
10am - 11am - S_sutton87 -
11am - Noon - Geoffv - Salah
Noon - 1 pm - thebillfella - Aguero (looks to be in form and want a big hitter up top to begin with)
1 pm - 2 pm - Spencer4 -
2 pm - 3 pm - workie-ticket -
3 pm - 4 pm - gunshot -
4 pm - 5 pm - morganb -
5 pm - 6 pm - nathan247 -
6 pm - 7 pm - nffc -
7 pm - 8 pm - robot -
8 pm - 9 pm - sibrown4 (2 selections) -

[Spencer4]

Have pm'd S_sutton87 and Geoffv but still no picks so time to get this show on the road - have left what I thought might be their first two obvious picks to be fair to them (this fairness won't last - if you snooze you lose in this format)!

Can I ask that everyone pm's the next pick once you have made your own draft just to keep this ticking along?

Draft Round 1 - Sunday Sept 1st
10am - 11am - S_sutton87 -
11am - Noon - Geoffv - Salah
Noon - 1 pm - thebillfella - Aguero (looks to be in form and want a big hitter up top to begin with)
1 pm - 2 pm - Spencer4 - Sterling
2 pm - 3 pm - workie-ticket -
3 pm - 4 pm - gunshot -
4 pm - 5 pm - morganb -
5 pm - 6 pm - nathan247 -
6 pm - 7 pm - nffc -
7 pm - 8 pm - robot -
8 pm - 9 pm - sibrown4 (2 selections) -

[morganb]

Have pm'd S_sutton87 and Geoffv but still no picks so time to get this show on the road - have left what I thought might be their first two obvious picks to be fair to them (this fairness won't last - if you snooze you lose in this format)!

Can I ask that everyone pm's the next pick once you have made your own draft just to keep this ticking along?

Draft Round 1 - Sunday Sept 1st
10am - 11am - S_sutton87 -
11am - Noon - Geoffv - Salah
Noon - 1 pm - thebillfella - Aguero (looks to be in form and want a big hitter up top to begin with)
1 pm - 2 pm - Spencer4 - Sterling
2 pm - 3 pm - workie-ticket -
3 pm - 4 pm - gunshot -
4 pm - 5 pm - morganb - Kane (August is over)
5 pm - 6 pm - nathan247 -
6 pm - 7 pm - nffc -
7 pm - 8 pm - robot -
8 pm - 9 pm - sibrown4 (2 selections) -

[thebillfella]

Can I ask that everyone pm's the next pick once you have made your own draft just to keep this ticking along?

Draft Round 1 - Sunday Sept 1st
10am - 11am - S_sutton87 -
11am - Noon - Geoffv - Salah
Noon - 1 pm - thebillfella - Aguero (looks to be in form and want a big hitter up top to begin with)
1 pm - 2 pm - Spencer4 - Sterling
2 pm - 3 pm - workie-ticket -
3 pm - 4 pm - gunshot -
4 pm - 5 pm - morganb - Kane (August is over)
5 pm - 6 pm - nathan247 -
6 pm - 7 pm - nffc -
7 pm - 8 pm - robot -
8 pm - 9 pm - sibrown4 (2 selections) -

Draft Round 2 - Monday Sept 2nd
8am - 9am - robot -
9 am - 10 am - nffc -
10 am - 11 am - nathan247 -
11am - Noon - morganb -
Noon - 1 pm - gunshot -
1 pm - 2 pm - workie-ticket -
2 pm - 3 pm - Spencer4 -
3 pm - 4 pm - thebillfella -
4 pm - 5 pm - Geoffv -
5 pm - 6 pm - S_sutton87 (2 selections) -

[sibrown4]

Can I ask that everyone pm's the next pick once you have made your own draft just to keep this ticking along?

Draft Round 1 - Sunday Sept 1st
10am - 11am - S_sutton87 -
11am - Noon - Geoffv - Salah
Noon - 1 pm - thebillfella - Aguero (looks to be in form and want a big hitter up top to begin with)
1 pm - 2 pm - Spencer4 - Sterling
2 pm - 3 pm - workie-ticket -
3 pm - 4 pm - gunshot -
4 pm - 5 pm - morganb - Kane (August is over)
5 pm - 6 pm - nathan247 -
6 pm - 7 pm - nffc -
7 pm - 8 pm - robot -
8 pm - 9 pm - sibrown4 (2 selections) - Aubameyang and Mane

Draft Round 2 - Monday Sept 2nd
8am - 9am - robot -
9 am - 10 am - nffc -
10 am - 11 am - nathan247 -
11am - Noon - morganb -
Noon - 1 pm - gunshot -
1 pm - 2 pm - workie-ticket -
2 pm - 3 pm - Spencer4 -
3 pm - 4 pm - thebillfella -
4 pm - 5 pm - Geoffv -
5 pm - 6 pm - S_sutton87 (2 selections)

[robot]

Can I ask that everyone pm's the next pick once you have made your own draft just to keep this ticking along?

Draft Round 1 - Sunday Sept 1st
10am - 11am - S_sutton87 -
11am - Noon - Geoffv - Salah
Noon - 1 pm - thebillfella - Aguero (looks to be in form and want a big hitter up top to begin with)
1 pm - 2 pm - Spencer4 - Sterling
2 pm - 3 pm - workie-ticket -
3 pm - 4 pm - gunshot -
4 pm - 5 pm - morganb - Kane (August is over)
5 pm - 6 pm - nathan247 -
6 pm - 7 pm - nffc -
7 pm - 8 pm - robot - Vardy
8 pm - 9 pm - sibrown4 (2 selections) - Aubameyang and Mane

Draft Round 2 - Monday Sept 2nd
8am - 9am - robot -
9 am - 10 am - nffc -
10 am - 11 am - nathan247 -
11am - Noon - morganb -
Noon - 1 pm - gunshot -
1 pm - 2 pm - workie-ticket -
2 pm - 3 pm - Spencer4 -
3 pm - 4 pm - thebillfella -
4 pm - 5 pm - Geoffv -
5 pm - 6 pm - S_sutton87 (2 selections)

[robot]

The billfella its gut not gun

[thebillfella]

Can I ask that everyone pm's the next pick once you have made your own draft just to keep this ticking along?

Draft Round 1 - Sunday Sept 1st
10am - 11am - S_sutton87 -
11am - Noon - Geoffv - Salah
Noon - 1 pm - thebillfella - Aguero (looks to be in form and want a big hitter up top to begin with)
1 pm - 2 pm - Spencer4 - Sterling
2 pm - 3 pm - workie-ticket -
3 pm - 4 pm - gutshot -
4 pm - 5 pm - morganb - Kane (August is over)
5 pm - 6 pm - nathan247 -
6 pm - 7 pm - nffc -
7 pm - 8 pm - robot - Vardy
8 pm - 9 pm - sibrown4 (2 selections) - Aubameyang and Mane

Draft Round 2 - Monday Sept 2nd
8am - 9am - robot -
9 am - 10 am - nffc -
10 am - 11 am - nathan247 -
11am - Noon - morganb -
Noon - 1 pm - gutshot -
1 pm - 2 pm - workie-ticket -
2 pm - 3 pm - Spencer4 -
3 pm - 4 pm - thebillfella -
4 pm - 5 pm - Geoffv -
5 pm - 6 pm - S_sutton87 (2 selections)

[workie-ticket]

Can I ask that everyone pm's the next pick once you have made your own draft just to keep this ticking along?

Draft Round 1 - Sunday Sept 1st
10am - 11am - S_sutton87 -
11am - Noon - Geoffv - Salah
Noon - 1 pm - thebillfella - Aguero (looks to be in form and want a big hitter up top to begin with)
1 pm - 2 pm - Spencer4 - Sterling
2 pm - 3 pm - workie-ticket - de bruyne
3 pm - 4 pm - gutshot -
4 pm - 5 pm - morganb - Kane (August is over)
5 pm - 6 pm - nathan247 -
6 pm - 7 pm - nffc -
7 pm - 8 pm - robot - Vardy
8 pm - 9 pm - sibrown4 (2 selections) - Aubameyang and Mane

Draft Round 2 - Monday Sept 2nd
8am - 9am - robot -
9 am - 10 am - nffc -
10 am - 11 am - nathan247 -
11am - Noon - morganb -
Noon - 1 pm - gutshot -
1 pm - 2 pm - workie-ticket -
2 pm - 3 pm - Spencer4 -
3 pm - 4 pm - thebillfella -
4 pm - 5 pm - Geoffv -
5 pm - 6 pm - S_sutton87 (2 selections)

[nffc]

Can I ask that everyone pm's the next pick once you have made your own draft just to keep this ticking along?

Draft Round 1 - Sunday Sept 1st
10am - 11am - S_sutton87 -
11am - Noon - Geoffv - Salah
Noon - 1 pm - thebillfella - Aguero (looks to be in form and want a big hitter up top to begin with)
1 pm - 2 pm - Spencer4 - Sterling
2 pm - 3 pm - workie-ticket - de bruyne
3 pm - 4 pm - gutshot -
4 pm - 5 pm - morganb - Kane (August is over)
5 pm - 6 pm - nathan247 -
6 pm - 7 pm - nffc - Mane
7 pm - 8 pm - robot - Vardy
8 pm - 9 pm - sibrown4 (2 selections) - Aubameyang and Mane

Draft Round 2 - Monday Sept 2nd
8am - 9am - robot -
9 am - 10 am - nffc - Firmino
10 am - 11 am - nathan247 -
11am - Noon - morganb -
Noon - 1 pm - gutshot -
1 pm - 2 pm - workie-ticket -
2 pm - 3 pm - Spencer4 -
3 pm - 4 pm - thebillfella -
4 pm - 5 pm - Geoffv -
5 pm - 6 pm - S_sutton87 (2 selections)