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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by hancockjr » 07 Oct 2019, 23:12

thebillfella wrote:
07 Oct 2019, 22:45
Zimmerman wrote:
07 Oct 2019, 19:18
Woodward’s fault for not finding a striker.
Ole’s credited for the three signings made 🤔
Yes - Ole gives him the targets, Woodward does the signing and selling. He didn't land all the targets (yet again).

Equally, Woodward is the one responsible for not having a Director of Football and is responsible for the dire scouting system now in place not Ole. The lack of quality that is a direct result of Woodward's (and the Glazers) failings is the problem here not the cock and bull bollocks about tactics / systems / styles of play.
Which striker did Ole ask for - Messi?

And was Ole forced to let Lukaku go before the replacement was signed?

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by Bob Newhart » 08 Oct 2019, 06:40

raoul wrote:
07 Oct 2019, 11:38
But going forward is a whole other story. Need a no.9 as a matter of priority - Rashford is a 2nd striker not a lead man, and Martial needs to be the danger man coming in from wide (plus he gets crocked too often).
Sky were showing clips from that infamous Man United 1 Liverpool 4 game a few years ago.

The truly troubling thing is that if that scoreline were repeated in Gameweek 9, the surprise woulld be the Man United 1, not the Liverpool 4 :( :shock:

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by Darbyand » 08 Oct 2019, 08:08

hancockjr wrote:
07 Oct 2019, 23:12
thebillfella wrote:
07 Oct 2019, 22:45
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07 Oct 2019, 19:18
Woodward’s fault for not finding a striker.
Ole’s credited for the three signings made 🤔
Yes - Ole gives him the targets, Woodward does the signing and selling. He didn't land all the targets (yet again).

Equally, Woodward is the one responsible for not having a Director of Football and is responsible for the dire scouting system now in place not Ole. The lack of quality that is a direct result of Woodward's (and the Glazers) failings is the problem here not the cock and bull bollocks about tactics / systems / styles of play.
Which striker did Ole ask for - Messi?

And was Ole forced to let Lukaku go before the replacement was signed?
The Maguire deal was there all summer to be done at the price it was eventually done at. There's no coincidence in my mind it was done a) when Inter had finally coughed up enough to fund it and b) not leaving enough time to sign a replacement. Even though the Mandzukic deal was there to be done. It's plain negligence from the owners. They've spent c.£70m net the last two summers and it looks like that's the ceiling now. Sell to buy. Should have sold Pogba if that's the the case. He will contribute next to nothing this season apart from maybe bad vibes.

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by thebillfella » 08 Oct 2019, 09:04


hancockjr wrote:
Which striker did Ole ask for - Messi?

And was Ole forced to let Lukaku go before the replacement was signed?
Ya cynical git!

We know Ole wanted a foreward, right winger, creative & box to box midfielders but who exactly is speculation as Ole kept stum to remain respectful.

The players primarily rumoured were Moussa Dembele, Jadon Sancho, James Maddison, Bruno Fernandes and Sean Longstaff (not seen too much of the latter two to be fair) - all of who would improve the team. And all will cost more now.

Fergie tried to convince them to sign John McGinn - no idea why Woodward decided against this.

I've ignored the rumours around Dybala and Eriksen as I suspect these were both yet more Woodward follies.

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by forestfan » 08 Oct 2019, 09:12

The Spurs crisis happening simultaneously to their own is a potential gift for United, Pochettino hasn’t become a bad manager overnight but it’s gone stale for him there. Get him to Old Trafford and there’s every chance Kane and Eriksen could follow him in the summer or even January in the latter’s case.

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Post by Darbyand » 08 Oct 2019, 10:38

It's tempting to think of it as a 'maybe this manager will do the trick' situation. But I really don't see anything happening without major change above that position.

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by raoul » 08 Oct 2019, 10:50

Darbyand wrote:
08 Oct 2019, 10:38
It's tempting to think of it as a 'maybe this manager will do the trick' situation. But I really don't see anything happening without major change above that position.
Poch wouldn't come if he felt he was under similar shackles to what he has with Levy.

Neither would anyone else.

But whether or not OGS is the right manager largely irrelevant if the squad is horribly lacking in some areas and contains overpaid wastes of space (some of whom are also a potential cancer).

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by mikeg13 » 08 Oct 2019, 13:57

In my opinion Fergies best attribute was knowing his limitations but clever enough to bring in if not all ready there those better suited, so they did not need whats now needed a Football director or what you want to call it, to lead scouting network. The present owners are more interested in there own profit rather than clubs situation, but because Old Trafford is a money making machine, they still are able to fund more than most clubs can. Changing manager now will still have same problem unless its another genius like Fergy, they have to put in place a structure like City have, a distinction between playing and longer term objectives i.e transfers, manager/coach and football director brings in players to fit needs short and long term, managers needs to bring titles to club.
Until they get that sorted present problems will continue whoever manages club

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by Magic » 15 Oct 2019, 09:11

Bob Newhart wrote:
08 Oct 2019, 06:40
The truly troubling thing is that if that scoreline were repeated in Gameweek 9, the surprise woulld be the Man United 1, not the Liverpool 4 :( :shock:
What he said.

Shows how far the club has fallen :(

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by thebillfella » 16 Oct 2019, 09:06

Plenty of rumours yet again around Pochettino as well as Allegri (surprised no one is yet building up Eric ten Hag from Ajax tbh?) but still no movement on the technical director role (Van Der Saar being rumoured).

The same issues will still be present though; namely Woodward and his puppet masters the Glazers will still be in charge.

Some of the media and some of the general public (including some day tripper fans) are getting the general mood of the majority of the United fans wrong here - we are still generally (there are exceptions) all behind Ole think he should be given time.

What we do want to see is changes above him along with lancing the cancerous mercenaries brought in under Woodward's watch.

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by Dot » 16 Oct 2019, 13:40

I think United's chances of an upset ( winning this weekend) will increase 15% if De Gea is absent.

Been a liability for more than a season. More than an able understudy.

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by hancockjr » 16 Oct 2019, 14:56

Non United fans also want to see OGS given a lot more time at the club!

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by thebillfella » 16 Oct 2019, 16:18

Dot wrote:I think United's chances of an upset ( winning this weekend) will increase 15% if De Gea is absent.

Been a liability for more than a season. More than an able understudy.
How much of a satellite delay do you actually operate under dot?!!!

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by Dot » 16 Oct 2019, 16:25

Probably quite a while. My dish was a Wok I nicked from some geezer down the road one night.


But I can always rely on the Sun.

THIGH'S THE LIMIT De Gea to miss Liverpool clash with fears Man Utd keeper is out for TWO MONTHS with injury
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Sam Morgan
16 Oct 2019, 15:15Updated: 16 Oct 2019, 15:58
DAVID DE GEA will miss Manchester United's crunch clash against Liverpool amid fears he could be out for up to two months.
The Old Trafford No 1 hobbled out of Spain's Euro 2020 qualifier in Sweden last night with what looked like a thigh injury.


Your chances have increased 15-20pct with Romero playing imo. The Sun actually back up my opinion :shock:

United bosses fear his injury could rule him out for up to two months.
That would leave Ole Gunnar Solskjaer with no choice but to play back-up Sergio Romero - who actually has a better league record than the Spaniard - ahead of De Gea's expected return before the manic Christmas period.


PS News ain't reached the Manc rag yet

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by thebillfella » 16 Oct 2019, 18:34

We'll agree to differ on that one then dot. Romero an able understudy, but that knee-jerk opinion belongs in last season when DDGs form was indeed poor.

He hasn't done anything wrong this year and certainly isn't (by your rationale) worse than Romero never mind 15-20% worse .

As backups go there isn't many better than Romero but DDG will be a loss.

And like them or loathe them but we will also miss (and have missed) Pogba, Martial, Wan-Bissaka and Shaw all out at the same time.

We were playing well with them all in the team at the start of the season but all out at the same time leaves reliance on the second string (who aren't good enough) and youth team (who need to be alongside the quality seniors to progress not the average ones).

Clearly there are too few quality players in the squad right now, and you all know who is to blame for that (IMO at least).

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by Dot » 16 Oct 2019, 19:12

My Wok working better than your dish, Manc rag confirm De Gea misses the game now 3 hours late.

Yes I do but I don't just blame owners and director of football.

Mourino buying Sanchez for those wages has poisoned Man United to the core.

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by thebillfella » 16 Oct 2019, 21:40

Correction: Woodward buying Sanchez for those wages amongst other bravado signings...
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Post by hancockjr » 16 Oct 2019, 21:45

A question for Man U fans, especially those who put all the blame on the owners/Woodward - What do you think about Fergie being silent on the issue (at least I've never heard him criticise them).

He still attends games so must have an interest, if it's as obvious as this thread makes out where 99% of the non-player blame lies (surely OGS gets 1%??) shouldn't Fergie be speaking out ?

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by blahblah » 16 Oct 2019, 21:51

Not a fan but he left them in the shite re players as he won the last title with a squad with little\no future.

Maybe he could have replaced the 5 or 6 (I haven't checked the XI or squad) that were lacking or past it, but he tried to quit before and wasn't that interested in the future. That typed Jose should have listened and DM shouldn't have sacked his coaching core....

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by thebillfella » 16 Oct 2019, 22:06

Of course there is some blame at Ole's door (in terms of motivating the players to buy into him and his approach) but so called better managers have struggled there, so then it comes down to the mentality of the players and the person responsible for bringing them in. There is only so much Ole can do here - you can only play the cards you are dealt.

As for Fergie, he as absolutely no obligation to say anything in public. None of us have any idea what he is saying behind closed doors (other than the rumour he advised to go for John McGinn over the summer - looking like a good bit of advice now and another missed opportunity for Woowar), and as we all know this "closed ranks" approach has always been his way. Why the hell would he change now?

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by thebillfella » 16 Oct 2019, 22:10

blahblah wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 21:51
Not a fan but he left them in the shite re players as he won the last title with a squad with little\no future.

Maybe he could have replaced the 5 or 6 (I haven't checked the XI or squad) that were lacking or past it, but he tried to quit before and wasn't that interested in the future. That typed Jose should have listened and DM shouldn't have sacked his coaching core....
Did he? Was that him then?

Look at the change in signing types and the amount he spent after the Glazers took over - Utd was being outspent by Villa and Sunderland never mind City, Liverhampton and the rest of the big 6 (other than Arsenal of course). Do you honestly think that was his call and his call alone?

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Post by blahblah » 16 Oct 2019, 22:12

And McTom is a midfield God?

I can't claim to watch the Champ etc but from what I've seen of McGinn he could be exceptional and it isn't rocket science to have seen it?

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by blahblah » 16 Oct 2019, 22:16

thebillfella wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 22:10
blahblah wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 21:51
Not a fan but he left them in the shite re players as he won the last title with a squad with little\no future.

Maybe he could have replaced the 5 or 6 (I haven't checked the XI or squad) that were lacking or past it, but he tried to quit before and wasn't that interested in the future. That typed Jose should have listened and DM shouldn't have sacked his coaching core....
Did he? Was that him then?

Look at the change in signing types and the amount he spent after the Glazers took over - Utd was being outspent by Villa and Sunderland never mind City, Liverhampton and the rest of the big 6 (other than Arsenal of course). Do you honestly think that was his call and his call alone?
Not sure ie you know more than me, but his last title was arguably his best given the players in the squad.

DM sacking the back room bods was madness given the structure?

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Post by thebillfella » 16 Oct 2019, 22:25

blahblah wrote:
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And McTom is a midfield God?

I can't claim to watch the Champ etc but from what I've seen of McGinn he could be exceptional and it isn't rocket science to have seen it?
Huh? Are you three tag teaming in plucking any arbitrary and completely unrelated shite this evening in an effort to provoke? :wink:

Who has said McTom is a god? To be fair I think he has done well this season and in a barrel load of shite he is one of the few who can hold his head up, but no one is saying he is the new Keano. He's just one of the newly promoted youth team members (along with Tuanzebe) who has done well and done himself no harm.

Ref McGinn, agree but let's be honest who else was looking at or even mentioning him before this season? The hesitation is going to cost somebody an extra £30-40m now no doubt...

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Post by thebillfella » 16 Oct 2019, 22:27

blahblah wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 22:16

Not sure ie you know more than me, but his last title was arguably his best given the players in the squad.

DM sacking the back room bods was madness given the structure?
Well we can at least agree on both counts here (and by his best, I mean best result given the resources at this disposal!).

Being instrumental in choosing Moyes as his replacement however was arguably his biggest mistake.
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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by blahblah » 16 Oct 2019, 22:39

thebillfella wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 22:25
blahblah wrote:
16 Oct 2019, 22:12
And McTom is a midfield God?

I can't claim to watch the Champ etc but from what I've seen of McGinn he could be exceptional and it isn't rocket science to have seen it?
Huh? Are you three tag teaming in plucking any arbitrary and completely unrelated shite this evening in an effort to provoke? :wink:

Who has said McTom is a god? To be fair I think he has done well this season and in a barrel load of shite he is one of the few who can hold his head up, but no one is saying he is the new Keano. He's just one of the newly promoted youth team members (along with Tuanzebe) who has done well and done himself no harm.

Ref McGinn, agree but let's be honest who else was looking at or even mentioning him before this season? The hesitation is going to cost somebody an extra £30-40m now no doubt...
SAF was banging on to Jose about (not) playing McTom?

I want to type that it (your fall) is a strange one but I'm not sure it is. Maybe Chelski staying on top is the weird one? You had your time after Lpool had their's and Citeh are the ones to battle Lpool as you had Arse?

The real question is who can fill 3td and 4th until
https://youtu.be/57ajn-NXtdc ?

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Track!

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Post by blahblah » 16 Oct 2019, 22:44

Tis kinda good :wink:

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Re: Manchester United Seasonal Blog 2019/20

Post by thebillfella » 16 Oct 2019, 22:58

Bit before my time that one blah :wink:

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