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Re: The Rounded Keeper - FPL Pub Talk & Matchday Banter 2018-19

Post by Pirlo's Beard » 15 May 2019, 22:50

I fail to see how Brighton sacking a manager who had them sleepwalking towards relegation is a bad thing.

Hughton did a fine job up to a certain point but he's a limited enough manager at this level, as his previous relegation with Norwich has shown, and as this season was alarmingly proving for Brighton. I stand by what I said after their pair of pitiful home capitulations against Bournemouth and Cardiff last month:
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27 Apr 2019, 17:56
Brighton are laughably shit. Nailed on to finish bottom next season if they don't replace Hughton in the summer.
Of course now we'll never know for sure, but I think they've given themselves a fighting chance of progression if they get the next appointment right, as opposed to the regression they were showing under Hughton.

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Post by Finisher1 » 16 May 2019, 08:10

Pirlo's Beard wrote:
15 May 2019, 22:50
I fail to see how Brighton sacking a manager who had them sleepwalking towards relegation is a bad thing.

Hughton did a fine job up to a certain point but he's a limited enough manager at this level, as his previous relegation with Norwich has shown, and as this season was alarmingly proving for Brighton. I stand by what I said after their pair of pitiful home capitulations against Bournemouth and Cardiff last month:
Pirlo's Beard wrote:
27 Apr 2019, 17:56
Brighton are laughably shit. Nailed on to finish bottom next season if they don't replace Hughton in the summer.
Of course now we'll never know for sure, but I think they've given themselves a fighting chance of progression if they get the next appointment right, as opposed to the regression they were showing under Hughton.
They finished just four points below Burnley. So are Burnley laughably shit as well?

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Post by Tacalabala » 16 May 2019, 08:26

Finisher1 wrote:
16 May 2019, 08:10
Pirlo's Beard wrote:
15 May 2019, 22:50
I fail to see how Brighton sacking a manager who had them sleepwalking towards relegation is a bad thing.

Hughton did a fine job up to a certain point but he's a limited enough manager at this level, as his previous relegation with Norwich has shown, and as this season was alarmingly proving for Brighton. I stand by what I said after their pair of pitiful home capitulations against Bournemouth and Cardiff last month:
Pirlo's Beard wrote:
27 Apr 2019, 17:56
Brighton are laughably shit. Nailed on to finish bottom next season if they don't replace Hughton in the summer.
Of course now we'll never know for sure, but I think they've given themselves a fighting chance of progression if they get the next appointment right, as opposed to the regression they were showing under Hughton.
They finished just four points below Burnley. So are Burnley laughably shit as well?
You're comparing apples with pears. Hughton was given ample funds and didn't integrate many of the new additions.

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Post by blahblah » 16 May 2019, 08:35

Burnley had the EL and return to norm "hit" which must have had more than just me predicting relegation - which I amended slightly after failing to qualify. Having blind faith in Hart was predictably not the brightest of ideas....

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Post by Finisher1 » 16 May 2019, 08:39

Tacalabala wrote:
16 May 2019, 08:26
You're comparing apples with pears. Hughton was given ample funds and didn't integrate many of the new additions.
They had a slightly better squad yes, but calling Brighton as "laughably shit" is a laughable exaggeration in my opinion. It was a bit disappointing season for them, that's for sure, it happens in football.

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Post by Tall Paul » 16 May 2019, 08:55

Finisher1 wrote:
16 May 2019, 08:10
Pirlo's Beard wrote:
15 May 2019, 22:50
I fail to see how Brighton sacking a manager who had them sleepwalking towards relegation is a bad thing.

Hughton did a fine job up to a certain point but he's a limited enough manager at this level, as his previous relegation with Norwich has shown, and as this season was alarmingly proving for Brighton. I stand by what I said after their pair of pitiful home capitulations against Bournemouth and Cardiff last month:
Pirlo's Beard wrote:
27 Apr 2019, 17:56
Brighton are laughably shit. Nailed on to finish bottom next season if they don't replace Hughton in the summer.
Of course now we'll never know for sure, but I think they've given themselves a fighting chance of progression if they get the next appointment right, as opposed to the regression they were showing under Hughton.
They finished just four points below Burnley. So are Burnley laughably shit as well?
Of course not, Burnley are "dogshit". Valeron's brilliant super secret xG model said so. It also said they were definitely getting relegated so maybe it's not so brilliant after all.

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Post by Finisher1 » 16 May 2019, 09:06

Tall Paul wrote:
16 May 2019, 08:55
Of course not, Burnley are "dogshit". Valeron's brilliant super secret xG model said so. It also said they were definitely getting relegated so maybe it's not so brilliant after all.
You keep saying this, but now that I had time to actually look for it, I couldn't find such post. So are you spreading Fake News or did I just miss that post?

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Post by Tall Paul » 16 May 2019, 09:19

Finisher1 wrote:
16 May 2019, 09:06
Tall Paul wrote:
16 May 2019, 08:55
Of course not, Burnley are "dogshit". Valeron's brilliant super secret xG model said so. It also said they were definitely getting relegated so maybe it's not so brilliant after all.
You keep saying this, but now that I had time to actually look for it, I couldn't find such post. So are you spreading Fake News or did I just miss that post?
You can't have looked very hard. Just search this forum for "dogshit", you even quoted one of his posts.

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Post by Oxford NZ » 16 May 2019, 09:20

I am a bit biased as I like the way Burnley conduct business.
I think they have had a good couple of seasons and are now establishing themselves in the prem for the long term.
As Blah posted above they have had the EL to contend with this season and that potentially lost them 6 points imo. Mid table next season and seventh place possible.
Chelsea have been my team since the 60's but I think they could drop below Burnley this coming season whilst they face the transfer ban and re build.

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Post by blahblah » 16 May 2019, 09:29

Your 6 points is interesting. If compared to the one before thrn I think it is very low; but if to some notional idea of a Club's level then yes, despite the fluidity of defining that level; or +6 for next season?

For the first I'm in the 15-20 ballpark is Leicester and Ipswich many seasons ago, and the 3rd 10ish.

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Post by Tall Paul » 16 May 2019, 09:43

Oxford NZ wrote:
16 May 2019, 09:20
I am a bit biased as I like the way Burnley conduct business.
I think they have had a good couple of seasons and are now establishing themselves in the prem for the long term.
As Blah posted above they have had the EL to contend with this season and that potentially lost them 6 points imo. Mid table next season and seventh place possible.
Chelsea have been my team since the 60's but I think they could drop below Burnley this coming season whilst they face the transfer ban and re build.
I hope you're right but I suspect our level is around the 35-45 point mark, which means we'll usually be in a relegation battle. 17/18 was a bit of a freak season and we can't realistically expect a repeat of that.

It's looking like the top six is becoming more and more of a closed shop, then we've got Wolves, Everton and Leicester with their wealthy, ambitious owners who are prepared to spend in attempts to break into that top six. You'll get two or three teams hopelessly out of their depth, usually those promoted from the Championship. Which leaves eight or nine to fill midtable who are all fairly evenly matched and where they finish is pretty much down to variance

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Post by Oxford NZ » 16 May 2019, 10:07

45+ is a realistic tally for Burnley, but that is just my opinion. I watch more Burnley games and highlights than any other club due to availability in New Zealand and Chris Wood playing for them. The availability thing is also due to Chris as I have friends that can afford to pay for Burnley matches on the internet just to watch him play.

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Post by TheRumourMill » 16 May 2019, 10:24

Tall Paul wrote:
16 May 2019, 09:43

It's looking like the top six is becoming more and more of a closed shop, then we've got Wolves, Everton and Leicester with their wealthy, ambitious owners who are prepared to spend in attempts to break into that top six. You'll get two or three teams hopelessly out of their depth, usually those promoted from the Championship. Which leaves eight or nine to fill midtable who are all fairly evenly matched and where they finish is pretty much down to variance
Have to disagree with the first sentence here, if anyone in the premier league is "laughably shit", its Manchester United! I honestly think a Chelsea 2015-2016 season is on the cards for them next season, even something like 9th place might be beyond them. I also think Arsenal, particularly if they don't win the Europa League and gain CL qualification, could have a poor season next year which drops them away from the top 4 and further into the clutches of the mid table upstarts like Leicester, Wolves etc. I mean this season in attack they were outshot by City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Leicester, Manchester United, Everton, almost relegated Southampton, Crystal Palace, and Wolves. And thats the strong part of their team, I haven't even considered their abysmal defence yet! I don't think Spurs are very vulnerable unless Poch leaves, but Chelsea are an interesting case as they're utterly reliant on Hazard in attack, who looks poised to leave, and if they have a transfer ban then I see a big period of readjustment as they have to integrate youth players into a system Sarri has struggled to get across....there's big questions here.

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Post by blahblah » 16 May 2019, 10:38

Yep, I totally agree. However, I do have a nagging doubt\question though: we have the 4 Euro Finalists, and Citeh aren't one of them. Is that a fluke, or is the Prem hideously strong and the questioning of the top lot bar Lpool and Citeh deserved?

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Post by S_sutton87 » 16 May 2019, 10:59

City player prices will be very interesting if they get banned from European football next season

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Post by Zimmerman » 16 May 2019, 15:17

I think we should strip them of their league title ;)

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Post by blahblah » 16 May 2019, 15:19

Or ban them next year?

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Post by Zimmerman » 16 May 2019, 15:48

Well, both.

Strip them and ban them.

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Post by blahblah » 16 May 2019, 16:51

Strip them? :?

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Post by Zimmerman » 16 May 2019, 16:54

Wasn’t the angle I was thinking of but...
“SHAME”

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Post by hancockjr » 16 May 2019, 17:58

Brighton went 7 league games without scoring, losing them all. It doesn’t get much worse than that.

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Post by blahblah » 16 May 2019, 18:01

Zimmerman wrote:
16 May 2019, 16:54
Wasn’t the angle I was thinking of but...
“SHAME”
They'd lose a whack in kit sales from having to play naked....

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Post by MoSe » 17 May 2019, 12:38

Tall Paul wrote:
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Just search this forum for "dogshit"
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Post by eastcentral1 » 17 May 2019, 12:58

Zimmerman wrote:
16 May 2019, 15:17
I think we should strip them of their league title ;)
They should be stripped of their title and it should be returned to the last holders. :wink:
Finisher1 wrote:
16 May 2019, 08:10
Pirlo's Beard wrote:
15 May 2019, 22:50
I fail to see how Brighton sacking a manager who had them sleepwalking towards relegation is a bad thing.

Hughton did a fine job up to a certain point but he's a limited enough manager at this level, as his previous relegation with Norwich has shown, and as this season was alarmingly proving for Brighton. I stand by what I said after their pair of pitiful home capitulations against Bournemouth and Cardiff last month:
Pirlo's Beard wrote:
27 Apr 2019, 17:56
Brighton are laughably shit. Nailed on to finish bottom next season if they don't replace Hughton in the summer.
Of course now we'll never know for sure, but I think they've given themselves a fighting chance of progression if they get the next appointment right, as opposed to the regression they were showing under Hughton.
They finished just four points below Burnley. So are Burnley laughably shit as well?
I'm with PB here. Brighton spent £75 million last summer, and can reasonably expect to have a manager who is suited to the job. Hughton will do a good job for someone on a promotion run next year, but he's not the man for Brighton.

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Post by Zimmerman » 18 May 2019, 07:22

Ignoring the Top 6 (who I didn’t look at) Brighton have the second highest net spend over the last three years :shock:



EDIT: and with Top 6 too

League finish (and net spend for last 3 years) & spending rank
City (£371m) 1
Liverpool (£93m) 7
Chelsea (£275m) 2
Spurs (£53m) 15
Arsenal (£142m) 4
United (£268m) 3
Wolves (£91m) 8
Everton (£137m) 5
Leicester (£67m) 14
WHU (£82m) 9
Watford (£42m) 18
Palace (£80m) 10
Newcastle (£1m) 19
Bournemouth (£79m) 11
Burnley (£48m) 16
Southampton (-£25m) 20
Brighton (£127m) 6
Cardiff (£46m) 17
Fulham (£74m) 12
Huddersfield (£74m) 12

Lots of factors including big sales and relative starting points etc. and no consideration to wages etc.

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Post by Zimmerman » 18 May 2019, 08:27

League finish (spend for last 3 years) & spending rank
City (£520) 2
Liverpool (£384) 3
Chelsea (£546) 1
Spurs (£182) 9
Arsenal (£275) 6
United (£345) 4
Wolves (£110) 17
Everton (£326) 5
Leicester (£250) 7
WHU (£189) 8
Watford (£127) 14
Palace (£130) 13
Newcastle (£133) 12
Bournemouth (£118) 15
Burnley (£105) 18
Southampton (£152) 10
Brighton (£137) 11
Cardiff (£54) 20
Fulham (£116) 16
Huddersfield (£91) 19

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