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Post by Aldershot Rejects »

Interesting article on the new manager here https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ds-chelsea

Obviously who we pick will depend on who comes and goes over the next month.

At the moment - Azpilicueta moves into my draft team to replace Alonso.

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Gone before new year 😉

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Could we see Alonso and Azpi as full backs now with potentially Cahill and one other to start in defence (central)? Moses dropped? Article seems to suggest a standard 4 at the back and Moses is definitely of the attacking variety rather than full back?

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Christensen and Rudiger perhaps... Cahill being the support act?

Can Azpi still by considered a fullback? Not really played there for a while now. Wasnt used by Spain in that capacity with Carvajal injured.

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Absolutely no idea! Just putting an idea out there. Or hoping out loud!! I could see Cahill maybe starting the first week or few and then being phased back to the bench potentially just to try and provide some stability with the new manager/tactics and ideas perhaps? Especially if still captain (although that means less nowadays!!)

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SteveieB123 wrote: 13 Jul 2018, 13:21 Absolutely no idea! Just putting an idea out there. Or hoping out loud!! I could see Cahill maybe starting the first week or few and then being phased back to the bench potentially just to try and provide some stability with the new manager/tactics and ideas perhaps? Especially if still captain (although that means less nowadays!!)
Cahill is still with England remember, then there will be holiday. Can't see him starting in GW1. Wouldn't even surprise me to see him shipped out before season starts.

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Chelsea are a wait and see at the start of the season for me. A new manager will have new ideas and it will take time to see his preferred methods.

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The good thing for fantasy is we will get a clear image of his thinking in the Charity Shield with regards to how he sets up his defence, I have also moved from Alonso to Azpi now but even that I'm not happy with, the good thing about Conte was he was happy to keep it solid/tight, have no idea how Sarri will take to the PL, that's not really good if you're investing 6.5m on a defender.

The first few games for Conte were not especially tight, Arsenal and Liverpool gave them a hiding before he switched things around, not sure I want to gamble on the same thing happening with Sarri with that expensive a defender.

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Based on his Napoli team I assume he likes to keep it tight. He talks about balance, but I assume he prefers to keep it tight.

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OldSkoolFPL wrote: 13 Jul 2018, 16:03 The good thing for fantasy is we will get a clear image of his thinking in the Charity Shield with regards to how he sets up his defence, I have also moved from Alonso to Azpi now but even that I'm not happy with, the good thing about Conte was he was happy to keep it solid/tight, have no idea how Sarri will take to the PL, that's not really good if you're investing 6.5m on a defender.

The first few games for Conte were not especially tight, Arsenal and Liverpool gave them a hiding before he switched things around, not sure I want to gamble on the same thing happening with Sarri with that expensive a defender.
Didn't he let the players have their 4 at the back, then they agreed with his idea for 3?

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Hazard and Willian looking like they are going to be sold.

Chelsea looks in more disarray than Arsenal this season, I think they will finish 6th. If Willian stays I think he's priced OK and might be worth owning at some stage.

But Hazard to Madrid and Willian to United/Barcelona looks too likely.

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I'm pretty sure I read Sarri refused to sign unless he had assurances Hazard and William were staying

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Willian could be bargain of the season if he stays and plays

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Multiple Scorgasms wrote: 13 Jul 2018, 18:08 Willian could be bargain of the season if he stays and plays
Running onto the ball, great. Ball to feet for him to dribble or pass, not great.

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Billy Bongo wrote: 13 Jul 2018, 17:28 I'm pretty sure I read Sarri refused to sign unless he had assurances Hazard and William were staying

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15 years should tell him that he has no bearing as to who is bought or sold or when, he'll learn soon enough as previous managers have done. Chelsea have first team coaches, not managers.

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Vid wrote: 13 Jul 2018, 18:15
Billy Bongo wrote: 13 Jul 2018, 17:28 I'm pretty sure I read Sarri refused to sign unless he had assurances Hazard and William were staying

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15 years should tell him that he has no bearing as to who is bought or sold or when, he'll learn soon enough as previous managers have done. Chelsea have first team coaches, not managers.
Yep. I posted similar elsewhere here. If he believes they won't be sold then he is seriously stupid, imho.

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Apparently given personal assurances from Abramovich, Sarri demanded it, alledgedly

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And means Jack 5hit, unless it is written in his Contract so Sarri can walk away with a bog off big pay off.

Sarri: wot the fook, you said they wouldn't be sold
Roman: they asked to go
Sarri: bull5hit
Roman: and?
Sarri: what?
Roman: we got a load of cash 8-)
Sarri: oh well I want X, Y and Z
Roman: The 2 new players will be here in an hour
Sarri: I want X, Y and Z
Roman: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Like Conte's first season, they'll be a wait and watch for me, Sarri could bring Jorginho and Mertens with him.

But City, Pool, United and Spurs have a stable manager and core of players, so I feel far more comfortable owning their assets than risking anything on the Chelsea players at this stage.

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I read it was indeed written in, I'll try and find the link

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Aldershot Rejects wrote: 13 Jul 2018, 12:28 Interesting article on the new manager here https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ds-chelsea

Obviously who we pick will depend on who comes and goes over the next month.

At the moment - Azpilicueta moves into my draft team to replace Alonso.
This could be fun :lol: :lol:

Critics have suggested that his Napoli team failed to win the title last season because he had failed to rotate against weaker teams, leaving players exhausted by the end of the season.

Others will be more troubled by accusations of homophobia levelled against him by Roberto Mancini – who claimed Sarri called him a “faggot” during a Coppa Italia semi-final in 2016. Or indeed the response the Napoli manager gave to a female journalist, Titti Improta, who asked him about Napoli’s title prospects after a draw against Inter this March. “You’re a woman and you’re sweet,” Sarri said. “For this reason, I won’t tell you to go eff yourself.”

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He won't last long, 18 months max.

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Had Alonso in a few early teams, he's long gone now, despite the talk of Hazard and Willian staying I wouldn't be surprised to see them leave.

Hazard could just down tools like he's done in the past and try to force a move that way.

Unless they sparkle in pre season cant' see me touching Chelsea at the start

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The flip side to that is they could do what they tend to do when they get a manager sacked, they start playing as well as they should and compete for the title.

That Charity Shield game will be quite key for seeing where their mindset is at.

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As above the switch for 4 to 3 at the back was the physical and mental watershed then.

This time: no real FB's and a manager who only plays 4-3-3; key players allegedly wanting out, and this time "wanted"....

I'll have no FPL interest until they show something.

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Far too early to discuss Chelsea. There will probably be a lot of coming and going. Other than the two Manchesters Chelsea seems to be pretty keen on balancing the books more or less. It will also be interesting to see whether some academy players will get a chance. Loftus-Cheek, Tammy Abraham and Batshuayi will definitely be pushing after successful seasons away.

Obviously the arrival of Jorghino looks very much like a Sarri signing, but probably not of much interest in FPL terms. Somewhere I have read that Sarri is not much interested in the transfer business. He will just work with the players he gets.

We still have got some time to watch.

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Some of you may notice that this thread has been moved out of FPL, wasn't me and possibly footie talk would be more suitable as comments so far are general rather than SCK, but anyway ....

Noises come from post-match that Hazard is up for a change, Courtois has been saying for some time that he wants to move back to Madrid to be with his family and they've both said previously that if one extends then the other will. This looks very unlikely, so both could be off during the next few weeks.

As said above Alonso and Moses could well prove surplus to requirements and Cahill isn't JT, if not worth a starting spot then maybe time to move on too. Luis is likely to leave yet again, Zouma loaned or sold, leaving Christiansen, Azpilicueta and Rudiger as established defenders, Zappacosta also seems to be on his way elsewhere. Emerson was bought in Jan so may well get a shot at the LB slot.

Jorginho and Kante are going to be definites, but aren't going to pick up many FF points in the majority of games, bye, bye Bakayoko! Fab in front of them as playmaker? Any future for Drinkwater, Barkley, Lotus-Cheek and Ampadu?

With Willian being strongly linked to Man U and Barca, we're left with Pedro, who has blown hot and cold, as a wide forward.

Morata hasn't sparked since arriving, Batshuayi hasn't been a regular starter, leaving Giroud as the main striker option? Although they're all scoring around the 1 goal every 3 games mark, so nothing really to choose between them, or to enthuse about.

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Lucky wrote: 14 Jul 2018, 20:24 Somewhere I have read that Sarri is not much interested in the transfer business.
Or was it that Napoli were skint? Apparently Eden and Willian are staying, as he was promised....

Losing Courtois too would be a blow and a half - especially if he is going 4-3-3 with only Dave as a recognised FB?

But, and it is a huge massive BUTT. If Roman wants to take the break even idea seriously and get some progression for the YA, and take a season or three's hit, then he sounds like the bod to do it. (Assuming he doesn't confuse Totti with totty etc)

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Chelsea - Sarri's formation in Napoli

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Read a piece on Sarri's formation - and wanted to share because it seems like Chelsea is a ready-made (or at least a very good) fit for the Sarri method.

Here is the link
http://www.thefalse9.com/2017/11/mauriz ... ation.html

From the article - in parallel with inputs about the Chelsea players
Napoli always start with Sarri’s preferred 4 3 3 formation. The system is so good because its very fluid and it allows Napoli players to interchange freely, especially the front 3. The two defenders are a perfect partnership with Albiol (Luiz/ Christensen) the technically gifted of the two and Koulibaly (Rudiger / Cahill)providing the pace and power although not without ball playing skills of his own. The two full backs are very complete in defence and in attack with Ghoulam (Alonso)always trying to overlap but Hysaj (Azpilicueta)is a bit more stationary. Jorginho (eh, well, Jorginho)is the pivot in midfield, he is the controller who sets the tempo with his passing similar in style to Sergio Busquets. Allan is very good as a box to box midfielder helping out in both defence and attack (Bakayoko / Loftus-Cheek is the exact fit, but surely Kante can be a more defensive box-To-box guy) with Hamsik an aggressive midfielder playing almost as shadow striker when Napoli have the ball (Fabregas / Golovin) and he often interchanges positions with Mertens when Napoli have the ball. The front 3 contain some dazzling players who rightly get most of the plaudits, Insigne (Hazard / whoever replaces him) is a skilful inside forward and playmaker. Mertens has been converted very successfully to a striker offering a different aspect in attack with his fluidity and pass (NOTE: This was initially Milik, and Morata approximates him. Surely Sarri can play with him. And of course if Higuain comes in, Sarri has played with Higuain, and fits in seamlessly). While Callejon (Willian/ Pedro)is an out and out winger who is mostly stationary down the right side.
A few hypotheses from my side:
1. Alonso will remain attractive.
2. If Golovin does not join in , Fabregas could be the big bargain.
3. If Higuain comes in as a striker (and 9M is still the price for the chelsea forward), he will be an incredible bargain. Higuain and Mertens have both been prolific.
4. I do not think this method will require too much time for Chelsea to adjust into.

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Re: Chelsea - Sarri's formation in Napoli

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Nice link, cheers. So it looks like

-------------Courtois(/newGK)---------------
Azpili--Rudiger--Christensen?--Alonso
---------------Jorginho----------------
----------Kante------Golovin?----------
Willian-------------------Haz(/replacement)
-----Morata?(/Giroud/Higuain?)------

To be honest, if it does end up like that, and Sarri transfers his style quickly, I can see myself being interested in most of the Chelsea frontline and Golovin! - good prices everywhere really. Whereas, I think their defence might just be a tad overpriced now (unless we get a secure 5.5m CB).

Feels like the system/personel have a bit of a 'last season's Liverpool' vibe about it. :)

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