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Food Contamination

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I know that you are not supposed to let cooked meats come into contact with uncooked meats but how does it stand if it is the same product?

Let me explain.

Last night I defrosted two sausages and then put them on a plate and cut them in half.

I then cooked them and without thinking placed them on the plate I had originally cut the raw, defrosted sausage. Is this classed as contamination?

I threw them away as soon as I realised but wasn't 100% sure if this could have led to contamination?

Firstly the sausages were bought frozen so would they have bad bacteria in the seconds after being microwave defrosted?

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Raw meat contains bacteria that is killed by cooking so there could be cross contamination. I have cut up raw chicken on a plate and then used the same plate to eat the cooked chicken from with no ill effects. A quick wipe with a paper towel after cutting up the chicken seems to be enough. The real risk is storing them uncovered with the raw meat sitting above the cooked and potentially dripping onto the cooked meat below.

edit" Just realised you said you defrosted them and then used the same plate so risk of contamination would be high as the plate would have water from the raw meat on it. Not sure it would contaminate the cooked meat as there would be no time but unless you wiped the plate before putting the cooked meat on then there is a risk of illness.

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I wouldn't worry about it too much flip, what you get up to behind Chorlton bus station at night is far more dangerous to your health ...

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Yes....it's contamination and you'll probably die. :wink:

You can get away with it as Surprised did, but it's like eating raw sausages / chicken....Russian Roulette mate.

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Who is Flip?

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It's just a term of endearment. Like defaid in Wales. Giggs and Violin meet up all time time down Canal Street.

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Surprised wrote: A quick wipe with a paper towel after cutting up the chicken seems to be enough.
The whole antibacterial industry destroyed in one fell swoop. If only the NHS knew about this. Could save themselves a fortune.

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unc.si. wrote:It's just a term of endearment. Like defaid in Wales. Giggs and Violin meet up all time time down Canal Street.
:lol:

Giggs shags who he wants ...

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If it moves, shag it. If it doesn't, shag it till it does...

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unc.si. wrote:
Surprised wrote: A quick wipe with a paper towel after cutting up the chicken seems to be enough.
The whole antibacterial industry destroyed in one fell swoop. If only the NHS knew about this. Could save themselves a fortune.

Not suggesting a surgeon goes to do open heart surgery after eating a chicken kebab and just wipe his hands quickly with a paper towel. But maybe many get sick nowadays because we kill off germs before people get used to them so when they are exposed to them it makes them sick. I was a student once and we pretty much lived on germs. We had a toastie machine that probably got washed once a year yet students now probably wash them every week!!

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Surprised wrote: Not suggesting a surgeon goes to do open heart surgery after eating a chicken kebab and just wipe his hands quickly with a paper towel. But maybe many get sick nowadays because we kill off germs before people get used to them so when they are exposed to them it makes them sick. I was a student once and we pretty much lived on germs. We had a toastie machine that probably got washed once a year yet students now probably wash them every week!!
As a student you're a fit and strong human being. Follow the same practices and you'll kill your granny and kids. Simples. :D

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Dennisthemenace wrote:
Surprised wrote: Not suggesting a surgeon goes to do open heart surgery after eating a chicken kebab and just wipe his hands quickly with a paper towel. But maybe many get sick nowadays because we kill off germs before people get used to them so when they are exposed to them it makes them sick. I was a student once and we pretty much lived on germs. We had a toastie machine that probably got washed once a year yet students now probably wash them every week!!
As a student you're a fit and strong human being. Follow the same practices and you'll kill your granny and kids. Simples. :D

No such luck for his granny and kids.

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Giggs11 wrote:
Dennisthemenace wrote:
Surprised wrote: Not suggesting a surgeon goes to do open heart surgery after eating a chicken kebab and just wipe his hands quickly with a paper towel. But maybe many get sick nowadays because we kill off germs before people get used to them so when they are exposed to them it makes them sick. I was a student once and we pretty much lived on germs. We had a toastie machine that probably got washed once a year yet students now probably wash them every week!!
As a student you're a fit and strong human being. Follow the same practices and you'll kill your granny and kids. Simples. :D

No such luck for his granny and kids.
Grannys mistake was falling from the roof after we dragged her up there.
Kids are fairly reslient and even bounce

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Surprised wrote:
We had a toastie machine that probably got washed once a year yet students now probably wash them every week!!
You could put shoite in a toastie machine (I often do). The inside gets hotter than the surface of the sun (fact) so will kill anything.

Likewise, I don't wash my barbeque. I just light it and burn off last weeks grease.

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sted wrote:
Surprised wrote:
We had a toastie machine that probably got washed once a year yet students now probably wash them every week!!
You could put shoite in a toastie machine (I often do). The inside gets hotter than the surface of the sun (fact) so will kill anything.

Likewise, I don't wash my barbeque. I just light it and burn off last weeks grease.
I have never heard of anyone dying from eating toast either sted, so all the FISO toast eaters can sigh a breath of relief, unfortunately I cannot offer any reassurance to the FISO sausage eaters, my food hygiene knowledge is limited.

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On a par with your Football knowledge then plinky.

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Five long bones wrote:On a par with your Football knowledge then plinky.

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Achiles74 wrote:
I have never heard of anyone dying from eating toast
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It is rather amusing that the 3 posters above me all inhabit another forum :lol:

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Achiles74 wrote:It is rather amusing that the 3 posters above me all inhabit another forum :lol:
What a strange observation Welsh_Wizard, that is the name you use elsewhere that has 330 posts is it not?

I actually post on about half a dozen forums. I didn't know posting on another would be something to write about.

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Violin wrote:
Achiles74 wrote:It is rather amusing that the 3 posters above me all inhabit another forum :lol:
What a strange observation Welsh_Wizard, that is the name you use elsewhere that has 330 posts is it not?

I actually post on about half a dozen forums. I didn't know posting on another would be something to write about.
Little things amuse little minds

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Don't remind him ffs. :lol:
Though tbf, he was ridiculed and run out of town after his last appearance there when banned from here.

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Just making a observation, indeed Welsh Wizard is an alias of mine, as are RockGod, RagaRock, AcesN8s and Triumph74 on other forums :wink:

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Yes it is/was cross contamination. Safest thing to do was throw them out (if in doubt, chuck it out -useful life lesson, works for girlfriends and troublesome posters on forums too).

Chances are you would've been fine if you had eaten the sausages straight away. If you had left them for an hour or two (even in the fridge) it could've been problematic.

The bacteria generally multiplies every 20 minutes, so it doesn't take long for 50 bacteria to become hundreds of thousands.

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So if you're cooking a curry you can chop everything at the same time with the same knife on the same chopping board as long as you cook everything thoroughly and don't take more than 20 minutes to peel an onion (also safest if you use a toaster).

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WilBert wrote:So if you're cooking a curry you can chop everything at the same time with the same knife on the same chopping board as long as you cook everything thoroughly and don't take more than 20 minutes to peel an onion (also safest if you use a toaster).
Pretty much, yes. Best practice would be to use different boards and different knives for raw meat, cooked meat, vegetables, dairy and salad. But in a domestic kitchen that is not really practical.

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sted wrote:
Surprised wrote:
We had a toastie machine that probably got washed once a year yet students now probably wash them every week!!
You could put shoite in a toastie machine (I often do). The inside gets hotter than the surface of the sun (fact) so will kill anything.

Likewise, I don't wash my barbeque. I just light it and burn off last weeks grease.

I have seen a movie about a journey to the centre of the sun where Bruce Willis (I think) threw a nuclear bomb into the sun because his Sunday papers were delivered late and I have seen a film about a journey to the center of the Earth where it is also quite warm. It all worked out fine. However, I have never seen a movie about a journey to the centre of a toasted sandwich because nothing can survive that. Except cheese.

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This has been a very interesting read for me. I have worked in restaurants for 17 years, from entry level all the way up to multi-unit corporate management. I was just talking to my wife about how food safety that seems cooking knowledge to me is actually not so common. Frankly should be taught in our school systems here and surely would be beneficial for all of you in the UK also. Because of our quick to sue society and overbearing government I would assume our regulations are amongst the most strict in the world but it's still good to know these things.

A few guidelines (just basics to know): Food born bacteria thrives at temperaturs between 40 and 165 Fahrenheit( I think that's 5-75ish Celsius, but google it). You should never keep food in that range for more than 4 hours total. Wiping with a paper towel will do nothing to remove bacteria, I advise against it. A 50ppm bleach solution is sufficient to sanatize a surface. It's a good idea to get different cutting boards for vegetables and raw meats and not at all that hard to accomplish. I personally have 4 cutting boards, they don't take much space and it's worth the safety.

If you have never had a good case of food poisoning trust me when I say you don't want to know how terrible it is.

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ctibbits wrote:
If you have never had a good case of food poisoning trust me when I say you don't want to know how terrible it is.
I can remember being on some course and we were all asked who has had food poisoning? about 3 or 4 people raised their arms. He said well actually you have all had it.

I know you say a good case of it, but I assume we have all had mild cases when we have eaten something that is slightly off. Isn't the shits the body's reaction to poisoning?

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There are many causes, most are just tummy bugs, get E-coli, Botulism or Salmonella for a real festival of body fluid expulsion.

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