2022 Tote Ten to Follow Flat * final standings *

[Ottershaw]

What are the odds of that? Ottershaw and myself seem to have IDENTICAL entries!

However its only happened 'cos I took Cash out at the last minute when he wasn't among the final declarations for the French Derby.

In one sense its not that surprising given that we have both gone for the bleedin' obvious. The most popular 9 horses plus the 12th most popular. One of my paid entries has the most popular 9 horses plus the 11th most popular.

If that can happen amongst just nine of us, I wonder how many sets of identical teams there are amongst the overall entry. Time of entry could yet decide the top prize if there are a couple of obvious substitutions come August.

With it being a late start this year I would say there will be a lot of identical entries and it will go down to some shrewd move(s) in the transfer window.

I must admit I started picking my stable b4 the guineas to see what I could come up with but I wouldn't have started well as Luxembourg would have been a Banker but he could still come in at the window. I don't know if you have noticed the fixture list but on the day it finishes which is Champions day on the same day there's a big meet in Australia where the results will count.

I have the Aussie horse Nature Strip in a few lines as the trainer stated he would come to England but would hope to have something left in the tank for the Everest which is run on the last day of the comp...

[Striker]

Let's hope that we're both in the mix on the last day. I went for Home Affairs in a few line rather than Nature Strip but it wasn't exactly a "scientific" choice. The clincher was that Waller clearly hopes that they will both run at Ascot and if they do, Nature Strip will not only be going up against Golden Pal but in the non bonus Kings Stand. And who knows who will come out on top if they were both to make it to the July Cup. I certainly hadn't factored in the Everest as I always focus solely on the period up to the substiution window with my initial selections. By the way the Caulfield Cup is also on October 15th, Yibir anyone?

If you (bloggie or anyone else) are interested we could have an ongoing discussion throughout the comp starting with us both posting our entries here, i.e. the horses we used, how many stables we put them in, and the reasons for certain key choices. I had intended to enter 10-16 paid teams plus my free team. Entered one just after the comp opened to check that the "system" hadn't changed, nine more 3 or 4 days ago, another six late yesterday afternoon, and a seventeenth at the last minute when in between watching the cricket, I was madly googling Cash to no effect. So a grand total of 18.

As regards your Luxembourg comment, I had him in a single entry private TTF that closed just before the Guineas. The other two horses who I included there that didn't make my cut this time were Yibir and Tuesday.

I agree that the comp will almost certainly depend on substitutions. We have to hope that two "Baaeeds" don't come out of the woodwork so that there is also a massive amount of substitution similarity with the final result going down to time of entry.

[bloggie]

Only put two paid in. Have reached double figure entries before to no avail. I guess Emily could outscore Tuesday yet although a logical pick in retrospect.
bloggie two: Emily Upjohn13.25 Baaeed Coroebus Desert Crown Homeless Songs Hurricane Lane Modern Games Native Trail Stone Age Trueshan
Bloggie's Contenders: Emily Upjohn13.25 Baaeed Bay Bridge Coroebus Homeless Songs Hurricane Lane Modern Games
Nations Pride Perfect Power Trueshan

[SamD]

2022 TTF Flat after first weekend, Mon 6 June

TOP HORSES
Tuesday 60.65 points (in 8% of stables)
Desert Crown 55.05 (57%)
Vadeni 35.20 (0.3%)
Hukum 30.6 (2%) - now injured so may miss rest of year
Hoo Ya Mal 29.45 (0.2%)
Mr Wagyu 26.80 (0.1%)
Brostaigh 26.40 (0%)
Mare Australis 25.70 (0.2%)
Megallan 22.90 (0.3%)
Bashkirova 19.40 (0.3%)

LEADERBOARD
Top Form 159.55 points*
MyCatChip 60 158.40
Caroline’s Flyers 158.40
Reggies3 151.85
Anitevoli1 151.55
Anitevoli3 151.55
DB40 146.95
Banker Baaeed 22 146.30
Robs Hot Shots 146.30
The Plant 17 146.30

* LEADER'S TEAM
Tuesday 60.65 points
Desert Crown 55.05
Hukum 30.60
Emily Upjohn 13.25
Adayar 0
Corebus 0
Inspiral 0
Manobo 0
Stone Age 0
Tenebrism 0

Fiso syndicate
Five stables sit with 70 points.

Fiso Flatliners (for each person's free team)
Three are on 70+ points:
SamD, bloggie and topspur, with trampie and an unrecognised player just behind.

No doubt Royal Ascot will disrupt standings next week.

[SamD]

Note two new competitions this week:

- Royal Ascot Betting Tournament from Tote: https://tote.co.uk/promotions/worldpool3

- Fiso Ascot game from Striker: viewtopic.php?t=134483

[SamD]

After third of five days at Ascot, four free stables in Fiso Flatliners league have accumulated 200+ points.

Top five of 11
1 Pick of the Paddock, Ottershaw, 240
1 Free Horseshoes, Striker, 240
1 Diana's 10, wahine/Muddy, 240
4 Numpty On The Flat, johngooch, 227
5 Minnie Milan's Mates, topspur, 188

[SamD]

Leading scorers after Royal Ascot

Horses
Naval Crown, 116.4 points (in 0.6% stables)
State Of Rest, 61.65 (4.5%)
Tuesday, 60.65 (8%)
Perfect Power, 56.15 (22%)
Desert Crown, 55.05 (58%)
Inspiral, 54.23 (17%)
Kyprios, 53.78 (29%)
Coroebus, 53.11 (69%)
Baaeed, 52.18 (85%)
Rohaan, 41.0 (0.2%)

Overall Leaderboard (of 10,474)
DB17, 422.39 points*
Paddy Wack, 422.19
Anglegrinder1, 406.79

*Top team - DB17
Naval Crown, 116.4 points (0.6%)
State Of Rest, 61.65 (4.5%)
Tuesday, 60.65 (8%)
Desert Crown, 55.05 (58%)
Coroebus, 53.11 (69%)
Baaeed, 52.18 (85%)
Changingoftheguard, 23.35 (2%)
Homeless Songs, 0
Princess Zoe, 0
Twilight Jet, 0

Fiso Syndicate, top six
Fiso Teenoso, 325, 201st overall
Fiso Shergar, 313, 316th
Fiso Desert Gold, 241, 2,693rd
Fiso Ajax, 233
Fiso Justify, 227
Fiso Park Lane, 218

Fiso Flatliners (for each person's free team)
Six of the 11 pass 200.
Pick of the Paddock, 297 pts, 67th of 2,364 overall
Free Horseshoes, 297, 67th
Diana's 10, 241, 375th
Helen's Hackers, 231
Numpty On The Flat, 228
Money For Nothing, 206

[Ottershaw]

What an amazing weight carrying performance put up by Trueshan.

If the rains come at Goodwood, there's your cup horse winner.

I can now finally see why Gosden is raving about Hollie Doyle.

She would have won on Emily Upjohn in the Oaks and given Stradivarius a better ride and won on Inspiral without making it hard work.

Tuesday was a very lucky winner and Emily should have won that by 2/3 lengths easing up.

Tuesday put in her place in the Irish Derby.

[SamD]

Leading scorers @ 5 July

Horses
Naval Crown, 116.4 points (in 0.6% stables)
Vadeni 90.85 (0.3)
State Of Rest, 61.65 (4.5)
Tuesday, 60.65 (8)
Westover 59.90 (1.6)
Perfect Power, 56.15 (22)
Desert Crown, 55.05 (57)
Inspiral, 54.23 (17)
Kyprios, 53.78 (30)
Coroebus, 53.11 (69)

Overall Leaderboard (of 10,474)
DB17, 422.39 points*
Paddy Wack, 422.19
Phils Winners, 420.1

*Top team: DB17 holds six of the top 11 scorers
Naval Crown, 116.4 points
State Of Rest, 61.65
Tuesday, 60.65
Desert Crown, 55.05
Coroebus, 53.11
Baaeed, 52.18 (85%)
Changingoftheguard, 23.35 (2%)
Homeless Songs, 0
Princess Zoe, 0
Twilight Jet, 0

Fiso Syndicate, top six
Fiso Teenoso, 340 points; 177th overall
Fiso Shergar, 313; 433rd
Fiso Desert Gold, 241; 3,314th
Fiso Ajax, 233
Fiso Justify, 227
Fiso Park Lane, 218

Fiso Flatliners mini-league (for each person's free team)
Five of the 11 pass 230.
Pick of the Paddock, 297 pts, 99th of 2,364 overall
Free Horseshoes, 297, also 99th
Numpty On The Flat, 265, 245th
Diana's 10, 241, 478th
Helen's Hackers, 231

[bloggie]

Free £1 placepot with Totesport at any meeting today. Just opt in. I went with this:
placepot

16:25 Lingfield Park

Leg 1 - 16:25 - Place 1-2-3
2 Aiguillette

Leg 2 - 17:05 - Place 1-2-3
3 Winforglory

Leg 3 - 17:40 - Place 1-2-3
2 Bonnsie

Leg 4 - 18:15 - Place 1-2-3
2 G'daay

Leg 5 - 18:45 - Place 1-2-3
1 Come On Girl

Leg 6 - 19:15 - Place 1-2-3
4 No Such Luck

[SamD]

Leading scorers to date

Horses
Naval Crown, 130 points (in 0.6% stables)
Baaeed, 104 (85)
Vadeni, 90 (0.3)
Kyprios, 82 (30)
Pyledriver, 79 (6)
Alcohol Free, 71 (2)
State Of Rest, 61 (4)
Nashwa, 61 (17)
Little Big Bear, 60 (1)
Tuesday, 60 (8)
Westover 59 (1)
Perfect Power, 56 (22)
Desert Crown, 55 (57)
Inspiral, 55 (17)
Tevaunance, 53 (0)
Magical Lagoon, 53 (.3)
Coroebus, 53.11 (69)
Saffron Beach, 52 (1)

Overall Leaderboard (of 10,474)
Paddy wack, 571 pts
Romeo, 548
Gary Eddy Racing 5, 540

Fiso Syndicate, top six
Fiso Teenoso, 423 pts; 394th overall
Fiso Shergar, 395; 819th
Fiso Justify, 336, 3,078th
Fiso Ajax, 329
Fiso Desert Gold, 323
Fiso Park Lane, 314

Fiso Flatliners league (for each person's free team): best five of 11
Pick of the Paddock, 378 pts, 187th of 2,364 overall
Free Horseshoes, same as above
Helen's Hackers, 362, 270th
Numpty On The Flat, 346, 369th
Diana's 10, 323, 557th

Transfer window is open from 11am Wed 10 to 11am Wed 17 August. York Ebor meet begins on latter date.
All stables may make up to two substitutions. Incoming horses start scoring points immediately after being confirmed.

[Striker]

Remember substitution window closes tomorrow morning at 11 am

Post any useful info below.

For example, no guarantee but it seems likely that Desert Crown won't make it back to the course this season. Likely to be a close thing but why should Stoute rush him back when he's staying in training in 2023.

[Striker]

What are the odds of that? Ottershaw and myself seem to have IDENTICAL entries!

However its only happened 'cos I took Cash out at the last minute when he wasn't among the final declarations for the French Derby.

In one sense its not that surprising given that we have both gone for the bleedin' obvious. The most popular 9 horses plus the 12th most popular. One of my paid entries has the most popular 9 horses plus the 11th most popular.

If that can happen amongst just nine of us, I wonder how many sets of identical teams there are amongst the overall entry. Time of entry could yet decide the top prize if there are a couple of obvious substitutions come August.

And now we've dropped the same two horses and picked the same two replacements. While the odds of us dropping the same two horses are reasonably short, the odds of us picking the same two horses are a bit longer. But the odds of us picking the same 10 horses initially and now making identical substitutions must be pretty long.

[bloggie]

I put Apinistra in but didn't research it that much as was off the pace as now think Tuesday will win against her today. Tuesday usually gets ridden off the pace so needs to be somewhere near the front final few furlongs to be able to gain lead. Saying that most of us including me are only 2 or 3 missing highest scoring horses away from the overall lead. So just shows a need to get the right combo of horses from the start including Kyprios from the stayers that I see a few in this league got and being young should be the new reliable staying star.

[bloggie]

In retrospect. Also it was my higher paid one that I put Alpinistra in with the Arc winner in other paid and free one. Also put Kyprios in but didn't put a differential choice as looked too far off the pace and had Truism already.

[SamD]

@ Striker: good news. Your stable and Ottershaw's show two differences since transfer window closed.

Better news for johngooch is his team has moved past both the above to lead the Fiso table.

[SamD]

Significant changes to user picks during transfer week

June -> Now
57% to 31% Desert Crown
27% to 19% Stone Age

0.3% to 13% Vadeni
1% to 8% New London
7% to 16% Luxembourg
0%? to 10% Royal Aclaim
4% to 11% Alpinista
17% to 21% Inspiral

[Striker]

@ Striker: good news. Your stable and Ottershaw's show two differences since transfer window closed.

Clearly my senility is accelerating. As far as I am concerned I looked up Ottershaw's post substitution stable and saw that he had made the same transfers as myself.

It seems likely that the Nunthorpe result is going to be key in determining both the overall competition outcome and our own little league's placings. Problem is that there are few form-lines between the two market leaders themselves and between them and the rest of the field. So we are all guessing.

[SamD]

Leading scorers @ 1 September

Horses
Baaeed, 156 points (in 86% stables)
Naval Crown, 130 (2)
Highfield Princess, 105 (4)
Trevaunance, 96 (0.1)
Vadeni, 90 (13)
Inspiral, 84 (20)
Kyprios, 82 (32)
Pyledriver, 79 (7)
Alcohol Free, 71 (3)
Trawlerman, 68 (1)

Overall Leaderboard (of 10,474)
O sue sweet, 670
Phils winners 2, 654
Paddy wack, 654

Fiso Syndicate, top six
Fiso Teenoso, 518 points; 336th overall
Fiso Shergar, 447
Fiso Ajax, 410
Fiso Justify, 405
Fiso Park Lane, 383
Fiso Desert Gold, 376

Fiso Flatliners (for each person's free team)
Numpty On The Flat, 445.22 points, 243rd of 2,364 overall; new league leader
Pick of the Paddock, 445.02, 247th
Free Horseshoes, 431
Helen's Hackers, 414
Gadge's Nags, 405
Diana's 10, 376

Bonus races in September
Ayr Gold Cup, 6f
Irish Champion Stakes Leopardstown, 1m2f
St Leger, Doncaster, 1m6f

TTF game runs through to Sat 15 Oct.

[SamD]

With just a day left to end of Flat game, here's summary of leading scorers

Horses
1 Baaeed 156.77 points
2 Kyprios 138.13
3 Highfield Princess 133.55
4 Naval Crown 130.40
5 Alpinista 122.3
6 Vadeni 106.65
7 Trevaunance 96.6
8 Summerghand 84.6
9 Inspiral 84.55
10 Blackbeard 84.24

Overall Leaderboard (of 10,474)
1 O sue sweet 841.5 points
2 Uns555 803.11
3 My Catchip 51 802.39

Syndicate top six
Fiso Teenoso, 602 pts; 541st overall
Fiso Ajax, 551
Fiso Justify, 549
Fiso Shergar, 531
Fiso Park Lane, 525
Fiso Desert Gold, 459

Fiso Flatliners (for each person's free team); top six
Numpty On The Flat, 613.47, 49th of 2,364 overall
Pick of the Paddock, 546.62, 176th
Free Horseshoes, 500
Diana's 10, 459
Helen's Hackers, 430
Minnie Milan's Mates, 428

TTF 2022-23 Jumps game is set to launch shortly.

[SamD]

FINAL STANDINGS after Sat 15 Oct

TOP HORSES
1 Baaeed 156.77 points
2 Kyprios 138.13
3 Highfield Princess 133.55
4 Naval Crown 130.40
5 Alpinista 122.30
6 Kinross 112.54
7 Bayside Boy 109.82
8 Vadeni 106.65
9 Trevaunance 96.60
10 Summerghand 84.60

TOP TEN PAID TEAMS (of 10,474)
1 MyCatChance 20, 879.07 points; wins £28,200 (60% of entry fund) *
2 Uns555, 870.26; £4,700
3 O sue sweet, 854.90; £2,300
4 Bravo, 853.56; £1,600
5 Crispy Crab Claws, 842.81; £1,400
6 Trev2, 842.15; £1,100
7 MyCatChip 54, 835.25; £940
8 Short Head And No Neck, 834.55; £470
9 Romeo, 829.50; £235
10 Double Carpet 5, 829.45; £235

* WINNER'S STABLE
Baaeed 156.77 points
Kyprios 138.13
Highfield Princess 133.55
Alpinista 84.80
Bay Bridge 80.50
Luxembourg 73.75
Modern Games 56.90
Emily Upjohn 45.50
Hurricane Lane 1.01
Point Lonsdale 0.00

Fiso Syndicate, top six
1 Fiso Park Lane,638 pts; 895th overall
2 Fiso Teenoso, 635; 940th
3 Fiso Justify, 616
4 Fiso Ajax, 597
5 Fiso Shergar, 564
6 Fiso Desert Gold, 560

Fiso Flatliners (for each person's free team)
1 Numpty On The Flat, 680 points; 49th of 2,364 overall **
2 Pick of the Paddock, 646; 87th
3 Free Horseshoes, 601
4 Minnie Milan's Mates, 565
5 Diana's 10, 560
6 bloggie, 470
7 Gadge's Nags, 462
8 Helen's Hackers, 430
9 Money For Nothing, 417
10 Dicky's Donkeys; 408
11 Polarbear Express, 264

Best overall free team: Ladies Free, 796 pts

** Congratulations to johngooch. Fiso Mug prize is on its way.

TTF Jumps game is set to return on 31 Oct. Thread is at viewtopic.php?t=134967

[johngooch]

Hello Sam

Good News My Mug has just been delivered by the postie.

Once again Many Thanks

John