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2nd test teams:

British & Irish Lions: Hogg; A Watson, Harris, Henshaw, Van der Merwe; Biggar, Murray; Vunipola, Cowan-Dickie, Furlong, Itoje, AW Jones, Lawes, Curry, Conan.

Replacements: Owens, Sutherland, Sinckler, Beirne, Faletau, Price, Farrell, Daly.

South Africa: Le Roux; Kolbe, Am, De Allende, Mapimpi; Pollard, De Klerk; Kitshoff, Mbonambi, Malherbe, Etzebeth, Mostert, Kolisi, Du Toit, Wiese

Replacements: Marx, Nyakane, Koch, De Jager, Van Staden, Smith, H Jantjies, Willemse.

Daly out of the starting 15, as expected. Personally would have had Liam Williams on the bench rather than Daly, but not that much in it, just as long as Daly doesn't have to come on at Full Back.
Hamish Watson a bit unlucky. Faletau not too much of a surprise but thought they'd keep Watson on the bench as cover for Curry.

Boks have beefed up at 8 with Weise, who's a bit more of a direct replacement for Vermeulen than Smith was.

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Fair to say that was a game for the purists :-)

Lions held their own in the first half but the Boks had almost complete control in the second. Etzebeth man of the match for me, but De Allende and Am dominated the midfield, Mapimpi was mainly excellent, Kolisi, Mostert and De Jager when he came on were well on top and the front row probably just shaded it as well.
The boks won the battle of the bench as well, with De Jager coming on to sort the line out probably the defining tactical move. Marx back to his usual excellent self when he came on. I think they're still struggling to find an 8 and the injuries to Faf and Pieter-Steph will be a worry but they're carrying the momentum into next week now

not sure what happened to the Lions in the second half. They just didn't seem to try anything.

Van de Merwe will be on the bench or out of the 23 next week and I can't see Hogg starting either

Probably Price, Farrell, Aki at 12 with Henshaw moving to 13, Watson and Adams on the wings and Liam Williams at FB for me next week. Was a mistake not to have Williams on the bench this week I think. I just can't see what Daly can offer against the Springboks.
Has to be some changes. The Boks won the breakdown, the kicking game, dominated the midfield and once De Jager came on had control over the lineouts as well. Scrum probably 50:50. Boks got the bounce of the ball this week in the same way that the Lions did last week, but they were the better team by a good margin over the 80 minutes. I'm really not sure what the Lions game plan was this week, but whatever it was it didn't work.

Alun Wyn, Itoje and Furlong played well, although all 3 faded pretty badly.

Pretty horrible game played on a pretty horrible pitch.

sets it up nicely for next week though :-) The Lions are good enough to win the decider but they'll have to play a lot better than this week.

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LIONS TEAM FOR THIRD TEST AGAINST SOUTH AFRICA
15. Liam Williams (Scarlets, Wales)
14. Josh Adams (Cardiff Rugby, Wales)
13. Robbie Henshaw (Leinster Rugby, Ireland)
12. Bundee Aki (Connacht Rugby, Ireland)
11. Duhan van der Merwe (Worcester Warriors, Scotland)
10. Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints, Wales)
9. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland)
1. Wyn Jones (Scarlets, Wales)
2. Ken Owens (Scarlets, Wales)
3. Tadhg Furlong (Leinster Rugby, Ireland)
4. Maro Itoje (Saracens, England)
5. Alun Wyn Jones – captain (Ospreys, Wales)
6. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, England)
7. Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, England)
8. Jack Conan (Leinster Rugby, Ireland)

Replacements: 16. Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, England), 17. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, England), 18. *Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, England) – subject to outcome of disciplinary hearing, 19. Adam Beard (Ospreys, Wales), 20. Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs, England), 21. Conor Murray (Munster Rugby, Ireland), 22. Finn Russell (Racing 92, Scotland), 23. Elliot Daly (Saracens, England)

Hmm. Not sure about VdM and don't know what Owens did to merit a starting place in his performance last week.
If Russell is fit then whoever didn't start out of Farrell and Biggar was always going to drop out of the 23
Watson a bit unlucky.
Feels like a similar game plan to last week to be honest. Just need to keep the pace up more and move the Bokke forwards around a bit. Some attempt to play rugby would be a good idea as well, but presumably thats where Russell, Daly and Simmonds come in

Should find out soon whether Faf and Pieter-Steph make it and whether they bring Vermeulen in, just to make their pack even bigger and more physical.

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So no Faf or Pieter-Steph, and Vermeulen didn't make it, so Mostert plays blindside (with De Jager slotting into 5), Weise stays at 8 and Reinach comes in at 9

Morne Steyn on the bench as well, just in case they need a 60 metre penalty 10 minutes into injury time to win the match :-)

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]South Africa: W le Roux; C Kolbe, L Am, D de Allende, M Mapimpi; H Pollard, C Reinach; S Kitshoff, B Mbonambi, F Malherbe, E Etzebeth, L de Jager, S Kolisi (c), F Mostert, J Wiese

Replacements: M Marx, T Nyakane, V Koch, M van Staden, K Smith, H Jantjies, M Steyn, D Willemse

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Great test match

When Finn Russell came on and the Lions started playing rugby I thought they were going to do it. They instantly looked so much better than when Biggar was on the pitch

So close. One moment of brilliance from Kolbe, a few marginal decisions on both sides and of course Morne Steyn. Again.

no complaints, but desperately unlucky

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There are going to be a few sore heads in Dublin in the morning :-)

great game and great result

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Yeah, after they took 111 years to beat them they’ve done it 3 times in 5 years! London buses and all that…

England eventually took care of the Wobblies after it had felt like one of those games where they just couldn’t quite put them away and were maybe going to pay the price. Breakaway try at the end made the scoreline more like what it should have been on the balance of play. Youngsters Smith and Steward impressed.

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Aus game was quite poor really. Messy, not helped by the ref being overly picky but Aus were poor and England didn’t really click.

Smith is a class act but will be better when he’s playing properly at 10. He’s got a beautiful pass and so much awareness.
Steward is a fantastic player as well. That’s the most comfortable that I’ve been watching an England full back for 20 odd years.
Great to see Manu back, Hill was excellent and Lawes ruled the line out. Other than that it was all a bit scrappy.
I’ll take a win against Australia any day though 😀

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Or even eight of them in a row! We’d take that on the cricket field…

Seems we’re caught in a bit of a transitional phase with a few players approaching their sell-by date and others just starting to emerge. Freshening things up mid-cycle seems sensible, and making some brave calls on the likes of the injury-prone Vunipolas. But feels like the next World Cup might come around a bit soon.

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I agree. So many talented young players in the premiership but will take a while to bring them through and get them established.
The potential is there for the England team in a few years time to be one of the best for a long time

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Great test match (Eng / SA). the young players definitely put their hands up. Could have gone either way to be honest but to withstand the second half onslaught and come out with a win will give them a lot of confidence.
Steward a deserved MOTM again, although Etzebeth would have been close. Another exceptional performance from Eben and he doesn't get so much involved in the Bakkies stuff any more. Steward just looks born to play at this level

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and then Wales beat Australia in another thriller

But France and New Zealand trumped the lot. Great game. Just brilliant by France. Thought Ntamack was going to do a Blanco in the last quarter but not quite to be

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unc.si. wrote: 20 Nov 2021, 22:22 and then Wales beat Australia in another thriller

But France and New Zealand trumped the lot. Great game. Just brilliant by France. Thought Ntamack was going to do a Blanco in the last quarter but not quite to be
All three Southern Hemisphere giants losing to Northern opposition on the same day, has that ever happened before?

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Scotland beat Japan as well, pretty sure Italy beat Uruguay and so it’s Ireland v Argentina today for the 6 Nations clean sweep.

6 Nations looking pretty open (Wales weren’t great yesterday tbh but they’ll be a lot stronger in the spring), although France look favourites at the moment (and play England and Ireland in Paris. France v Wales in Cardiff could be the key game in the whole championship)

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