WARNING re tffc cricket tournaments

[12345678]

the rules for these are pretty much non existent, however the warning is if you have entered a team say loaded with england today and the tournament hasn't filled it looks like unbelievably they will be rolled over to the next day and you play against others without england loaded teams!

make the rules clear and don't take money from fantasy players on the sly, or telegraph game will simply become extinct!

very disappointing that GFM just get ever worse!

[met_matt]

The tournaments for the World Cup game are scored over the whole group stages. Whenever you enter, and whenever the tournament fills, you will take all the points you've scored from the start into the league. I think there are then going to be semi-finals and finals based on the corresponding rounds of the World Cup.

[12345678]

thanks for your reply, must admit i didn't know that as i entered zero.

it does actually say on the lower value games that scoring starts tomorrow. the £50 i can't even access as it still isn't filled

so if say you entered a team in a tournament tomorrow (not that i am intending to) you think the way it worked in the world cup was that scores count from the start of the tournament.

so in other words you are effectively in with those entering around the same time.

i've asked for a refund anyways, not that i am expecting it but it clearly says on the two that i can see that scoring starts tomorrow.

GFM t& c offer agree with your interpretation but are at odds with what i can see on the tournament pages.

'11. Tournaments

TFCWC Managers will have the opportunity to participate in pay-to-join Tournaments. Each Tournament is made up of ten teams each managed by a different individual Manager and will follow the same format as the Cricket World Cup.

The winning Manager and the runner up at the conclusion of each Tournament will receive a cash prize – the value of which is specified for each level of Tournament. The winning Managers of these Knockout Cups will also each receive a cash prize. In the case of a tie, the standard TFC tie-break rules will apply.

Tournaments will be available at three different levels which determine both the entry fee, and subsequently the prize pool:

£10 entry – Champion wins £70, Runner up wins £20;

£25 entry – Champion wins £175, Runner up wins £50;

£50 entry – Champion wins £350, Runner up wins £100.

There is no limit to the number of Tournaments a Manager may join. Once ten teams join to complete a Tournament, a new Tournament at the same level will be made available.

Tournaments become available to view once they fill, however points scored from the start of the tournament for all participating teams will be used, regardless of when the Tournament fills.

There is no restriction on number of Tournaments a team can participate in, however only one team per Manager is permitted to join any individual Tournament.

Tournament entry fees must be paid via a UK credit or debit card for the amount specified for each Tournament.

Tie Break for all Prizes
In the event of a tie, preference will be given to the manager whose team has scored the most runs. If the result is still a tie, preference will be given to the manager whose team has taken the most wickets. If clear positions for the prize winners still do not emerge, the tied managers will be required to write a job advertisement for an England cricket team selector in no more than 50 words. The decision of the judges regarding this tie-breaker shall be final and binding.In relation to all of the prizes listed above, TMG's decision in all prize matters shall be final. Winners will be notified in writing. There are no prize alternatives and the prizes are not transferable. Winners will be requested to co-operate with publicity.'

it says on the £25 game 'Scoring starts: Friday 31st May 2019'

thanks for your reply, lets see what happens with GFM these days generally i haven't a clue what daftness they will come up with next!

[12345678]

the £10 game also says 'Scoring starts: Friday 31st May 2019'

must admit it seems wrong and a lottery that you can enter teams without knowing which day the tournament closes.

so you enter today with your best scoring team and you are 2nd maybe if you are the last entry but if you are the first and it fills after another days play you are 7th say, surely the cut off really for entries per tournaments needs to be by 10.30 each day with leagues not filled scrapped and refunded or something as this is clearly a bit of a nonsense!

obviously unlike the fairer well run daily/weekend games they are not going to close entries at 10.30 and allow 'unfilled' contests to go ahead but something just isn't right even assuming the entry dates shown on the tournaments are just normal GFM blunders and are simply incorrect with the t&c being accurate.

[Darkish]

I couldn't find what you said via the rules etc, though its not clear as it uses tournament to describe the paid contest and as the actual world cup.

In all my leagues it says on the screen Scoring starts: "Thursday 30th May 2019", however in the £25 number 18 (I'm not in) league it does say "Scoring starts: Friday 31st May 2019" however all teams have points scored. I assume you'll inform them that they have made a mistake and should be set to zero.

Whatever they do, the only people I have sympathy for is those that entered in the spirit of the game and before any significant action has taken place. Those that try and game the system should be extra careful when shooting angles that they understand the rules fully and don't snooker themselves.

[12345678]

as you correctly say they should adhere to the t&c even if they are a bit daft. thus all should score from the first game.

so your league 18 for example should score from day1 not day 2.

the later tournaments will not be on a level playing field with entrants in on different days by the looks and you just get lucky/unlucky on a random basis if you enter earlier/later (you won't know which).

the tournaments seem likely to still go ahead and you enter them knowing that if they stick to the rules.

the problem is as per GFM have created confusion by showing apparent different rules on the tournament pages compared to the t&c.

[Darkish]

Their T&Cs aren't clear as it says

"Tournaments become available to view once they fill, however points scored from the start of the tournament for all participating teams will be used"

The question is when does the tournament start, is it when they become filled or at the start of the WC?

I never read before I entered but all my entries were in well before the deadline (so all tournaments had a start date of May 30th). Whatever the outcome, it won't be a fair playing field. You have entered with the best team after day one, whereas others would have entered before the start. Maybe setting the points to zero on the day will stop people looking at the best team from day one as it'll be a gamble.

[12345678]

it's a great shame that GFM are blighting telegraph games these days.

personally i would read it as per the original reply to me by met_matt in line with WC football, but can see what you mean. That said 'Tournaments become available to view once they fill, however points scored from the start of the tournament for all participating teams will be used, regardless of when the Tournament fills.' unfortunate usage of the word 'tournament' referring to different things but fairly clear it can only mean 'tournaments' ALL start scoring from day 1 of the world cup cricket.

all we want are clear t&c and a fair game, preferably a well designed one.

not sure if the fact the telegraph have no one else realistically to run the games has led to the current GFM performance, but if they think there is nowhere else for players to go to they are currently correct re cricket, albeit i know fantasybet have some interest in the indian market.

obviously with fantasy football there are other choices and i would expect even more desertions next year with other games being better designed, better run and free.

great shame!

[12345678]

just had an e-mail to confirm.

all scores for the whole duration of the world cup are included in 'tournaments'

so as per above and met_matt's original reply.

just leaves the randomness of advantage/disadvantage as to whether you are early/late in your entry to the tournament. something you have no way of knowing.

hardly ideal, but at least we know where we are with it now and you have the choice to enter or not to enter.

so the scores starting from 31 may that was on the tournament pages yesterday was just another blunder by GFM!

[12345678]

deadline 10am today i think, at least you know you get no later entries

[get_on_my_cocker]

deadline 10am today i think, at least you know you get no later entries

10:30 actually