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Will the UK leave on Halloween?

Poll runs till 16 Sep 2019, 08:56

Yes with the May deal
1
4%
Yes with a Boris deal
3
11%
Yes with no deal
6
21%
No there will be a further extension
13
46%
No Article 50 will be revoked
5
18%
 
Total votes: 28

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Post by forestfan » 12 Jan 2019, 13:00

With age also comes nostalgia voting for periods of time that you remember as being great, but were pretty crap for most people in reality!

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Post by Maldini » 14 Jan 2019, 10:07

This morning, Liam Fox has described a no deal Brexit as ‘survivable’.

Selling it well there Liam. :roll:



And I see Neil Warnock has revealed himself as a Brexiteer....how apt.

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Post by Yorkshire Exile » 14 Jan 2019, 16:58

no deal is better than a bad deal....

there seems to be consensus that what is on the table is a bad deal.....

so is it un-survivable?

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Post by murf » 14 Jan 2019, 17:21

Yorkshire Exile wrote:no deal is better than a bad deal....
Is it?

With a no deal exit we have to then start by trying to get as much as has been agreed in the (not taken) deal. It may be considered a poor deal but it has to be a better starting point than a no deal. Shirley?


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Post by Maldini » 14 Jan 2019, 17:43

murf wrote:
Yorkshire Exile wrote:no deal is better than a bad deal....
Is it?

With a no deal exit we have to then start by trying to get as much as has been agreed in the (not taken) deal. It may be considered a poor deal but it has to be a better starting point than a no deal. Shirley?
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Post by murf » 14 Jan 2019, 18:03

So you think we should go for a no deal Brexit?


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Post by Striker » 14 Jan 2019, 18:50

The most stupid response which is still coming from some members of the public is let's just agree the deal and get on with it, as though by doing this we clear the path to the future. If we sign, the difficulties start here, and discussions, arguments and the occasional agreement will probably drag on for well over five years.

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Post by Dot » 14 Jan 2019, 19:00

From my memory this was the options and result of the referendum.




membership referendum
“ Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union? ”
Location
United Kingdom (pop. 65.648m) (including Gibraltar) (pop. 0.030m)
Date
23 June 2016
Results
Votes %
Leave 17,410,742 51.89%
Remain 16,141,241 48.11%
Valid votes 33,551,983 99.92%
Invalid or blank votes 25,359 0.08%
Total votes 33,577,342 100.00%
Registered voters/turnout 46,500,001


eff get on with it j chap.

Leave means eff leave

No Deal !!!


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Post by forestfan » 14 Jan 2019, 19:18

People talk of not respecting the referendum outcome as “treason”... what would be treason would be effectively declaring war on your own country by ripping up the supply chains we all rely on for our day to day lives, while saying “we’ll recover... eventually”.

I wonder if May knows her next move yet, given a heavy defeat looks odds on? It’s double down on no deal and see if anyone calls her bluff and takes decisive action to stop it (i.e. Tories NCing their own government), or insist she’s going to renegotiate with the EU and bring an amended deal back before March, or change to a completely new policy (Norway, or second referendum). She’s stubborn enough to go with one of the first two options I think, while spending more billions on preparing for a self-inflicted disaster scenario.

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Post by Maldini » 15 Jan 2019, 20:14

Well, that went as well as to be expected.


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Post by forestfan » 15 Jan 2019, 20:30

I still maintain the only way we avoid no deal is if Tories bring down their own government.

Seems no chance it will happen tomorrow, but I wonder if any of the strongly anti-no deal Tories are wavering? If they leave it until March then it will probably be too late to change course. And apart from all the money being wasted on preparing for deliberately shooting our economy in the foot, and the investment being delayed, I think if the clock ticks down to within a month with nothing sorted then panic buying will start to cause serious disruption.

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Post by blahblah » 15 Jan 2019, 20:37

Maldini wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 20:14
Well, that went as well as to be expected. Image
Tbh I haven't been able to put the News on for this predicatable rubbish.

As I posted ages ago we will have the 2nd Ref with Remain or No Deal as the options and a General Election and maybe 2 this year. (The LibDems will do ridiculously well in it\1st and there will be no majority by a long way.)

If "we" haven't agreed something with the EU by the deadline what happens? Is Article 50 rescinded?

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Post by forestfan » 15 Jan 2019, 20:40

blahblah wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 20:37
If "we" haven't agreed something with the EU by the deadline what happens? Is Article 50 rescinded?
The default outcome is we leave with no deal. That's been clear all along... it's written into UK law unless an Act of Parliament changes that.

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Post by blahblah » 15 Jan 2019, 20:41

forestfan wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 20:30
I still maintain the only way we avoid no deal is if Tories bring down their own government.

Seems no chance it will happen tomorrow, but I wonder if any of the strongly anti-no deal Tories are wavering? If they leave it until March then it will probably be too late to change course. And apart from all the money being wasted on preparing for deliberately shooting our economy in the foot, and the investment being delayed, I think if the clock ticks down to within a month with nothing sorted then panic buying will start to cause serious disruption.
No Deal will lose by the same though?

I assume the DUP supported May. No way will they back No Deal as it hsbds thrm go Dublin\Rome and too many Tories are at the behest of Big Business for any Leave Labour bods for No Deal to win, imho.

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Post by blahblah » 15 Jan 2019, 20:44

forestfan wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 20:40
blahblah wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 20:37
If "we" haven't agreed something with the EU by the deadline what happens? Is Article 50 rescinded?
The default outcome is we leave with no deal. That's been clear all along... it's written into UK law unless an Act of Parliament changes that.
So May has to rescind, when No Deal doesn't grt through Parliament :lol:

Imagine having voted for more power to be given to our MP's :shock: :?

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blahblah wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 20:44
forestfan wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 20:40
blahblah wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 20:37
If "we" haven't agreed something with the EU by the deadline what happens? Is Article 50 rescinded?
The default outcome is we leave with no deal. That's been clear all along... it's written into UK law unless an Act of Parliament changes that.
So May has to rescind, when No Deal doesn't grt through Parliament :lol:

Imagine having voted for more power to be given to our MP's :shock: :?
No deal doesn't have to get through Parliament. If nobody agrees on anything else in Parliament, it happens, given we have written it into law that we leave on 29th March.

Just getting a majority against no deal isn't enough - there has to be a majority for something else before the end of March, whether that be a specific deal, or extending/cancelling Article 50.

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Post by murf » 15 Jan 2019, 20:47

Keep up Blah!

No deal doesn't have to go through parliament. It will happen by default if nothing else happens first.

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Post by blahblah » 15 Jan 2019, 20:51

But No Deal can be put to the vote (relatively) simply?

The DUP voted agsinst :shock: What on earth are they expecting from Brexit?

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murf wrote:Keep up Blah!

No deal doesn't have to go through parliament. It will happen by default if nothing else happens first.

blahblah wrote:But No Deal can be put to the vote (relatively) simply?
How? It is already agreed by us pressing eject a couple of years ago. No deal is just the backstop in case Theresa May can't get a deal through......

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Post by Maldini » 15 Jan 2019, 20:54

There isn’t a hope in hell of a no deal. There is no mandate.

I suspect that Article 50 will be extended and they’ll either attempt to negotiate a better deal or more likely a second ref/election will happen.

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Post by blahblah » 15 Jan 2019, 20:58

According to BBC experts Delay is possible.

By vote on No Deal i meant in Parliament, and apparently she has said she won't do it.

I csught a bit if Farage earlier who with Campbell was on the No Deal vs Remain Ref.

There is mo such thing as Soft Brecit, imho.

Apologies for curtness, but typing on phone is such a pain.....

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Post by murf » 15 Jan 2019, 21:00

Maldini wrote:There isn’t a hope in hell of a no deal.

I suspect that Article 50 will be extended and they’ll either attempt to negotiate a better deal or more likely a second ref/election will happen.
Not sure anybody knows what the hell happens next. Unless Corbyn does anything positive then we could drift to no deal.

Surely there is little point negotiating a 'better' deal when not enough MPs will ever accept any brand of brexit as better.

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Post by blahblah » 15 Jan 2019, 21:04

Surely the Leavers were the core of Tory Rebels?

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Post by forestfan » 15 Jan 2019, 21:09

blahblah wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 20:58
By vote on No Deal i meant in Parliament, and apparently she has said she won't do it.
She doesn't need to... I don't think she really wants no deal, but I think she might be prepared to let it happen ahead of falling on her sword or backing down by calling a referendum/extension, if there's no progress over the next month or so. Her own pride and stubbornness could lead us over the cliff edge.

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Post by blahblah » 15 Jan 2019, 21:14

forestfan wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 21:09
blahblah wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 20:58
By vote on No Deal i meant in Parliament, and apparently she has said she won't do it.
She doesn't need to... I don't think she really wants no deal, but I think she might be prepared to let it happen ahead of falling on her sword or backing down by calling a referendum/extension, if there's no progress over the next month or so. Her own pride and stubbornness could lead us over the cliff edge.
That's why 2nd Ref is inevitable, imho.

Btw Brady (Head of 1922?) voted against.

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Post by raoul » 15 Jan 2019, 23:16

murf wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 20:54
murf wrote:Keep up Blah!

No deal doesn't have to go through parliament. It will happen by default if nothing else happens first.

blahblah wrote:But No Deal can be put to the vote (relatively) simply?
How? It is already agreed by us pressing eject a couple of years ago. No deal is just the backstop in case Theresa May can't get a deal through......
There's the thing. Plenty voted leave not realising they were voting for no deal, because it wasn't obvious to many at that time that the EU would never offer a deal we would want.

That's why a second vote makes sense. We now all see the light.

The vote will say remain now the reality of what leaving means is clear.

Personally I want to leave but I voted remain in 2016 after a lot of to and fro because I could not see a leave plan that was anything better than suicide.

And I still don't.

Trade with 27 countries will take years not months to sort out. And we lose 27. The 27 lose 1 trade deal each. So they'll live.

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Re: EU post referendum discussion [see page 136, T&Cs apply with zero tolerance] - 05/12/18 new poll: what happens now?

Post by Zimmerman » 16 Jan 2019, 06:08

Are the 27 even able to do their own trade deals?

ie are we able to do a deal with Germany? Or will
Germany say, sorry.... you need to go and speak to brussels?

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