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Post by scopsm » 09 Nov 2007, 17:54

Haven't got a clue what I am doing in this game but am doing OK for the 2nd month at least, 69th. Joint top of FISO for Month 2.

Just got rid of any properties that gave me a negative loss overall so far, used 3 up transfers as it were.

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Post by SamD » 16 Nov 2007, 17:36

Leaderboards @ 16 Nov

Overall (of 13,000 entries currently)
Manager - Portfolio Name - Profit
1 Neil Timms, man in a suit, 34900
2 Bernard Formby, berlin proper-ties, 33100
3 Michael Coupar, Mirage, 32900

Game Month 2 (in progress)
1 Mark McIntyre, BCM Developments, 4500
2 Nhaid Begum, jacks, 4400
2 Angel Busto, angel, 4400
2 John Francis, Burgess Rainydays, 4400

FISO League - Overall (of 37)
1 Neil Timms, man in a suit, 34900
2 Mark Cooke, overseas, 20000
3 Steve King, ishoudbesolucky pierre, 17800

FISO League - Month 2
1 Ali Savran, Ucan Kenevir, 3900
1 Tim Miller, John Terraced, 3900
1 Paul McGeoghan, Pot luck, 3900

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Post by DrBunker » 23 Nov 2007, 10:47

Does anyone actually have any tactics for this game?! I'm seriously struggling to find any method to increase my totals and seem to be leaking as much as I'm making.

timmsy - are you still using the same tactic as you mentioned earlier?

I've given up on a couple of the dozen or so football games I started in August where I'm miles away from winning (minus FPL of course) but I want to give this game a go as it's something different.

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Post by Spencer4 » 23 Nov 2007, 10:55

Mrs SP4 is smashing me to bits in this :oops: , and she's loving it. God damn :evil:

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Post by timmsy » 23 Nov 2007, 12:31

DrBunker wrote:Does anyone actually have any tactics for this game?! I'm seriously struggling to find any method to increase my totals and seem to be leaking as much as I'm making.

timmsy - are you still using the same tactic as you mentioned earlier?

I've given up on a couple of the dozen or so football games I started in August where I'm miles away from winning (minus FPL of course) but I want to give this game a go as it's something different.
My transfers can be viewed

I had to make them as all the options meant I was getting stressed with this so I bit the bullet lol

Based on the fact they're talking a lot about stagflation (stagnant house prices and inflation) I was desperate to stay at the top till December as the way it's looking I think the one's at the top in first 3 months will be hard to catch

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Post by el_pappje » 23 Nov 2007, 12:38

I forgot to enter this in time but I wouldn't worry about stagnant house prices......

........because they are going to be falling....

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Post by DrBunker » 23 Nov 2007, 13:03

el_pappje wrote:I forgot to enter this in time but I wouldn't worry about stagnant house prices......

........because they are going to be falling....

:o
Really?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7014484.stm

I keep seeing stories like this and tales of markets downturns have been around for years. The media love saying house prices are on the way down but they never mention where. If you look around the country there are places where the market isn't so good but you only have to look at the amount of houses required to see that prices must be going up somewhere based purely on supply and demand.

It also depends on which provider you look at - one that has enough mortgage business on it's books will say prices are going down but the reverse is true of companies who need new business.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a jump in sales this month as people know HIPs come fully into force next month and then it will fall anyway as no one wants to sell over the holidays if they can help it.

Anyway, even if they do fall someone has to have the portfolio which falls the least! ;)

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Post by el_pappje » 23 Nov 2007, 13:14

March/April next year will quite possibly see year-on-year house price declines. I am unable to post the picture I want to, but if you get a chart of house prices vs average earnings the gap is much wider than at the previous peak of the house market. You don't need to predict doom and gloom, but the reversal of the trend will be enough to turn the market. The UK is a US in waiting IMHO. And that doesn't just mean subprime, but multiple-property owners not being able to sell on, mortgage costs exceeding rental income etc etc. This week M&G have introduced curbs on redemptions from its property fund as so many people are pulling their money out.

All any sensible person needs to do is check they can afford their mortgage [sounds trite, I know, but....] and budget accordingly. If the mortgage rate is coming off a fix then work out what step up in payments will be seen. And I, in a totally unqualified comment, believe the next move in interest rates is down and therefore think variable rates could be the way to go.

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Post by timmsy » 23 Nov 2007, 13:14

As you may guess I did a bit of checking and I think next month see a drop then levelling off

However as the big 4 reports the media focus on all use different measures you always get conflicting reports

The Land Registry which this is based on is the only one to use actual sale prices surprisingly one of the others as a for instance use approved mortgage applications

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Post by timmsy » 28 Nov 2007, 08:21

The transfer window has closed and I looked down to 11th place (those above 30k profit)

A lot hadn't made any changes, a very high proportion like me had Blackpool and all except me kept it

I was the only one to make 4 trades and I was the only one to again go for properties that had mostly (2 trades) performed poorly the month before

Whilst I know 5k isn't a lot in the game overall (unless stagnation/drops occur) I reckon versus the 10 people below me the gap will be quite clear just no idea whether it will be a good or bad thing

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Post by DrBunker » 28 Nov 2007, 11:55

timmsy wrote:The transfer window has closed and I looked down to 11th place (those above 30k profit)

A lot hadn't made any changes, a very high proportion like me had Blackpool and all except me kept it

I was the only one to make 4 trades and I was the only one to again go for properties that had mostly (2 trades) performed poorly the month before

Whilst I know 5k isn't a lot in the game overall (unless stagnation/drops occur) I reckon versus the 10 people below me the gap will be quite clear just no idea whether it will be a good or bad thing
Looks good. I wish the 1,000,000,000 people above me in FPL didn't bother to manage their teams either! :D

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Post by pottster » 28 Nov 2007, 12:22

Never got my head around this properly but is the general gist that if you make a few well chosen transfres you stand a chance winning a monthly prize?

or is it just down to being lucky :lol:

Game month 2 ends today and I've so far got 3600 profit, Tim and Paul are top in the FISO league have 3900

4500 profit is top of the monthly leaderboard nationally

still a bit of a lottery but Timsy looks to be in with one hell of a shout to win the whole thing :D

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Post by timmsy » 28 Nov 2007, 12:58

pottster wrote:Never got my head around this properly but is the general gist that if you make a few well chosen transfres you stand a chance winning a monthly prize?

or is it just down to being lucky :lol:

Game month 2 ends today and I've so far got 3600 profit, Tim and Paul are top in the FISO league have 3900

4500 profit is top of the monthly leaderboard nationally

still a bit of a lottery but Timsy looks to be in with one hell of a shout to win the whole thing :D
Transfers have closed but the months figures mean nothing till they load the Land Registry's November stats

However I still think this month could be the key one (as in last one with big profits) for the whole game

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Post by pottster » 28 Nov 2007, 13:08

timmsy wrote:
pottster wrote:Never got my head around this properly but is the general gist that if you make a few well chosen transfres you stand a chance winning a monthly prize?

or is it just down to being lucky :lol:

Game month 2 ends today and I've so far got 3600 profit, Tim and Paul are top in the FISO league have 3900

4500 profit is top of the monthly leaderboard nationally

still a bit of a lottery but Timsy looks to be in with one hell of a shout to win the whole thing :D
Transfers have closed but the months figures mean nothing till they load the Land Registry's November stats

However I still think this month could be the key one (as in last one with big profits) for the whole game
Ah I think I get the picture now.

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Post by timmsy » 29 Nov 2007, 13:59

House prices remained flat in real terms during October, according to data released today by the Land Registry.

According to the organisation's monthly house price index, one of the most respected house price studies in the country, the average completed transaction price in England and Wales increased by 0.1 per cent last month.

Accounting for inflation this leaves prices virtually flat, and is well below the 0.7 per cent average monthly increase recorded over the last 12 months.

The average price for a property in England and Wales is now £184,346 according to the Land Registry.

Annual average house price growth now stands at 8.1 per cent, down from the level of 8.7 per cent recorded in September.

"Evidence is mounting the housing market is now cooling significantly in the face of tighter lending practices and the heightened affordability pressure on house buyers coming from higher interest rates, elevated house prices and muted real disposable income growth," said Howard Archer, chief UK economist at analysts Global Insight.

"These factors are expected to increasingly bite over the coming months.

Across the country, however, there was a great deal of variety.

In Wales prices were up by two per cent, while in the east of England and West Midlands prices increased by around 0.9 and 0.8 per cent respectively.

In contrast London saw average sale prices fall by 0.6 per cent – following several months of stellar growth earlier in the year.

Prices also fell in the south-west, East Midlands and Yorkshire and the Humber.

Sale volumes are also falling in the long term.

Between May and August an average of 109,936 house sales were completed each month. This is compared to the 116,280 sales completed each month during the same period in 2006.

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Post by RedAmok » 30 Nov 2007, 12:11

Just received email:

Meanwhile, Neil Timms remains at the top of a little-changed overall leaderboard

Nicely done Timmsy, slight increase in your lead as well I believe?

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Post by el_pappje » 30 Nov 2007, 12:14

Year on year price growth declining.....

.....springtime next year probably goes negative year on year....

......time to start planning for those defensive hotspots.

PS Did I mention the Barratt CEO talking about falling land prices? :shock:

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Post by timmsy » 30 Nov 2007, 18:36

RedAmok wrote:Just received email:

Meanwhile, Neil Timms remains at the top of a little-changed overall leaderboard

Nicely done Timmsy, slight increase in your lead as well I believe?
£100 increase in lead but next weeks result is the big one I reckon

Hopefully then still in with a shout and bank profits looking safe areas

Realistically despite my efforts to plan it's one big game of chance and I reckon I've probably had my one bit of good fortune

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Post by el_pappje » 05 Dec 2007, 10:16

This off Reuters :o
10:12 05Dec07 RTRS-UPDATE 2-UK house prices fall for 3rd month as BoE meets
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By Christina Fincher
LONDON, Dec 5 (Reuters) - House prices in Britain fell for a third month running in November, according to the country's biggest mortgage lender, raising pressure on the Bank of England to cut interest rates this week.
HBOS Plc's Halifax index showed house prices fell 1.1 percent last month, its steepest decline this year. That followed a 0.7 percent fall in October, and a 0.6 percent decrease in September.
It was the first time house prices have fallen for three months in a row since 1995.
Sterling tumbled as investors bet a slowing housing market, coupled with fresh signs of weakness in the broader economy, would prompt Britain's central bank to cut interest rates on Thursday to shore up growth.
"Coming on the back of two firmly negative prints, today's decline firmly underlines the fact that the UK housing market is shifting down a gear," said Richard McGuire, strategist at RBC Capital Markets.
All major house price indicators are now pointing to falling prices. The Nationwide building society has yet to report data for November but said house prices in October fell at their fastest rate in 12 years.

PROLONGED DOWNTURN?
A cocktail of tighter lending conditions, falling confidence and financial market turbulence is raising concern that the market, which had looked set for a gentle slowdown, could enter a more prolonged downturn.
Mortgage approvals have already fallen to their lowest in nearly three years and the Council of Mortgage Lenders has warned that new home loans could nosedive next year if funding markets remain frozen.
The housing market is not the only trouble spot. Separate surveys on Wednesday showed Britain's services sector grew at its slowest rate last month since May 2003 and consumer confidence fell at its sharpest rate in at least three years.
"The weakness in housing market indicators, alongside clear signs of feed-through to consumer confidence, is one of the main arguments for the Monetary Policy Committee to sanction a policy ease after tomorrow's meeting," said Alan Castle, economist at Lehman Brothers.
The Halifax index showed the average price of a house slipped to 194,895 pounds in November, more than 2,000 pounds less than in October.
Its annual three-month rate of house price inflation fell to 6.3 percent from 8.9 percent in October, the lowest rate since March 2006. Annual house price growth has been in double-digits for most of this year.

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Post by timmsy » 06 Dec 2007, 16:14

Month 2 results up

And I am disappointed and frankly shocked by one result (Twickenham detached up 48500 nearly an 8% increase in one month)

Month 2 FISO league and Murf is the man

Portfolio Owner Portfolio Name Price Change Bonus Profit
1 Jason Murfitt murf's portfolioioioio 10700 6200 16900
2 Philip Ollerenshaw Pock Property investments 10000 5300 15300
3 eddy peyton Amoks Folly 7600 7400 15000
4 mark cooke overseas 7700 6400 14100
5 Paul McGeoghan Pot luck 5900 7400 13300
6 andy wood Stick's assets 6600 6300 12900
7 Eric Stevenson Bones and mortar 4800 7200 12000
8 Thomas Marshall Toms Bricks and Mortar 4600 6600 11200
9 Tim Miller John Terraced 2500 7000 9500
10 Mike Wishart Dantes Dream 2300 6800 9100
11 Pete Taberner Motorhead 1300 6100 7400
12 John Potts POTTSVILLE 800 6600 7400
13 josie morrissey bilbobagins 500 6800 7300
14 Chris King FISO 1100 5800 6900
15 Duncan Hoyle Norman Lamont's Advisor -100 6800 6700
16 Peter McCluskey Peter Property 2200 4400 6600
17 Baz Sahathevan Mongose Property Crash -800 6200 5400
18 steve king ishoudbesolucky pierre -1800 7000 5200
19 Mike Maguire Railway Cuttings, Inc -2200 7000 4800
20 Julian Clements Subsidence issues -2600 6700 4100
21 ali savran Ucan Kenevir -2700 6600 3900
22 Anthony Greenman KaKaPortfolio -2500 6200 3700
23 Gordon Jones Negative Equity -600 4100 3500
24 David MacRae Primitive Prefabs -2200 5700 3500
25 Edward Ball tedbull -3000 6300 3300
26 John Hunt JHT - West Camel -1200 4000 2800
27 Sam David Trading Places -3600 6200 2600
28 neil timms man in a suit -4700 6400 1700
29 Nigel Dodds The Homes Of Dodd -4800 5600 800
30 Jason Armstrong oggy's dream homes -5900 6400 500
31 Leila Howden Homes -6500 6700 200
32 David Nuttie nutstars -7500 6600 -900
33 Christopher Bond bonds_bargains -9800 6100 -3700
34 Ian Townsend Lucky7s -10500 5100 -5400
35 Julian Ravilious Pigeon Loft -12400 6700 -5700
36 harriet k harriet -8900 2800 -6100
37 James Kempster Happy House Hunters -12900 5600 -7300
38 John Mark Lowther JML & Daughter properties -14100 6600 -7500
39 mark davis The Governor -14400 5900 -8500
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Post by timmsy » 06 Dec 2007, 16:16

Top 10 overall

1 david stangroom SCUBADIVER 66400
2 Emma Woods Emma 66100
3 gerald caple gerry build 65700
4 Mark Tierney Markie29 65200
5 Richard McClintock-Brown Garforth Estates 65000
6 Eunice Chen woodpecker 64900
7 Neil Stubbs Stubbsestate 64900
8 Matt Harman Door Matt 64700
9 Andrea Clarkson bikerchick 63900
10 John Acteson actmedia.co.uk 63900

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Post by Spencer4 » 04 Jan 2008, 13:12

Well....I tried a new tactic. Bought in a very expensive property with the hopes of making a BIG gain and it kind of backfired :oops: :lol: :lol:

1 neil timms man in a suit 36800 14700 51500
2 mark cooke overseas 26300 15700 42000
3 Leila Howden Homes 14900 15000 29900
4 andy wood Stick's assets 14600 14200 28800
5 Jason Murfitt murf's portfolioioioio 10600 14300 24900
6 josie morrissey bilbobagins 6700 16300 23000
7 Paul McGeoghan Pot luck 6600 16000 22600
8 ali savran Ucan Kenevir 8700 13100 21800
9 eddy peyton Amoks Folly 5700 15600 21300
10 steve king ishoudbesolucky pierre 5500 15400 20900
11 John Potts POTTSVILLE 6100 14100 20200
12 David MacRae Primitive Prefabs 6300 12100 18400
13 Sam David Trading Places 1900 16000 17900
14 Nigel Dodds The Homes Of Dodd 4000 13400 17400
15 Pete Taberner Motorhead 800 14700 15500
16 James Kempster Happy House Hunters 1300 13800 15100
17 Peter McCluskey Peter Property 5400 9600 15000
18 Mike Wishart Dantes Dream 100 13900 14000
19 Duncan Hoyle Norman Lamont's Advisor -1400 15400 14000
20 Baz Sahathevan Mongose Property Crash -200 13400 13200
21 Chris King FISO 600 12200 12800
22 Philip Ollerenshaw Pock Property investments 500 12300 12800
23 Jason Armstrong oggy's dream homes -700 13400 12700
24 Tim Miller John Terraced -3400 16100 12700
25 Anthony Greenman KaKaPortfolio -500 12600 12100
26 David Nuttie nutstars -1700 13600 11900
27 Edward Ball tedbull -3100 14500 11400
28 John Hunt JHT - West Camel 2500 8600 11100
29 Gordon Jones Negative Equity 400 9300 9700
30 Thomas Marshall Toms Bricks and Mortar -2800 12500 9700
31 Ian Townsend Lucky7s -5400 12800 7400
32 Mike Maguire Railway Cuttings, Inc -8500 15200 6700
33 Eric Stevenson Bones and mortar -8300 14900 6600
34 harriet k harriet -2400 5800 3400
35 John Mark Lowther JML & Daughter properties -12700 13800 1100
36 Christopher Bond bonds_bargains -15100 13600 -1500
37 mark davis The Governor -22100 14000 -8100
38 Julian Clements Subsidence issues -35700 15000 -20700
39 Julian Ravilious Pigeon Loft -71700 14500 -57200

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Post by DrBunker » 04 Jan 2008, 13:18

I was more than a little surprised when I got the update email. I've "shot" up to 16th but I truly have no idea what I'm doing!

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Post by Spencer4 » 04 Jan 2008, 13:25

DrBunker wrote:I was more than a little surprised when I got the update email. I've "shot" up to 16th but I truly have no idea what I'm doing!
My other half has a team in 110th overall, it's doing my head in :x :x

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Post by murf » 04 Jan 2008, 13:26

I won a month (in FISO anyway) and didn't even notice :shock:

I gave up on this after a bad start :lol:

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Post by timmsy » 05 Jan 2008, 12:30

I was shocked how many people with Twickenham didn't bank the profits

Considering the overall prize you'd think they'd pay a bit more attention

I'm back up to 10th and my portfolio has done consistently well but I've not had any of the 3 big gaining properties and I'm a long way off top spot

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Post by SamD » 12 Jan 2008, 12:34

Surprised to find team is top of January race overall... Here's extract of email from organisers on Friday night:

Leaderboard latest
There were few changes in position towards the top of the overall leaderboard this week, meaning that Rachel Drain continues to lead the way heading into the second half of the competition.

Meanwhile, Sam David leads the Game Month 4 standings as a result of being the solitary entrant to have gained £4,200 profit from this week's news-based bonuses.



Selections were based on cities and countries in which I've resided. Portfolio has been unchanged since start of competition, possibly proving this, like several fantasy games, is mainly down to luck (don't you think?).

With three weeks to go in the monthly race, is there any opinion on whether team should stay virginal (ie, untouched) or do we let a thrusting estate agent in?

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Post by Spencer4 » 12 Jan 2008, 12:42

Turning out to be a great comp for us (sorry you) Fiso boys :D , esp. considering it's all a total gamble :lol:

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Post by timmsy » 12 Jan 2008, 14:46

SamD wrote:Surprised to find team is top of January race overall... Here's extract of email from organisers on Friday night:

Leaderboard latest
There were few changes in position towards the top of the overall leaderboard this week, meaning that Rachel Drain continues to lead the way heading into the second half of the competition.

Meanwhile, Sam David leads the Game Month 4 standings as a result of being the solitary entrant to have gained £4,200 profit from this week's news-based bonuses.



Selections were based on cities and countries in which I've resided. Portfolio has been unchanged since start of competition, possibly proving this, like several fantasy games, is mainly down to luck (don't you think?).

With three weeks to go in the monthly race, is there any opinion on whether team should stay virginal (ie, untouched) or do we let a thrusting estate agent in?
Throughout the thing I have banked profits

I reckon you can control your destiny in a small way but overall it's a lottery as in the last 2 months one strong performing property beats a good portfolio

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Post by Mr Green » 15 Jan 2008, 11:49

Sam - Unfortunately, it's fair to say that news-based bonuses are dwarfed by the amount that can be gained and lost with the end-of-month house price fluctuations, so I don't think too much should be read into your early success this month...but congratulations all the same.

Personally, I would think about replacing any properties which reached their highest weighted average price last month as there is one way that such properties are likely to go - down!

Like Timmsy suggested, I too am amazed that people failed to bank their profits last month, although this could be due to two factors:

1) The majority of this partiuclar audience aren't particularly familiar with fantasy games and the need to make team changes (or trades in this case).

2) Unlike pretty much all other games we run, it appears to be sound advice to jump the bandwagon after a selection has performed particularly well in the Fantasy Property Investor game, rather than to join it. This is quite a strange concept for people to get their head round - after all, you wouldn't sell Ronaldo after he'd just bagged a hat-trick, would you?!

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