Telegraph Fantasy Football (TFFOSM) on FISO

[TFFootball]

Thanks again for the replies. Unfortunately we don't decide that the site is gaming or gambling, so there is certainly nothing we can do for the forseeable future about overseas players.

[Jester]

I haven't time to read this thread right now, but would just like to mention that I only entered two teams this season, against six last term.

Next season I won't enter at all - unless the team changes page goes back to being as user-friendly as it was ca. three seasons ago. A simple tick in a box for each flange and it was done - ten minutes work once a week.
Now it takes me at least half an hour per squad to set things up for the weekend.

[AkNotSpur]

Thanks again for the replies. Unfortunately we don't decide that the site is gaming or gambling, so there is certainly nothing we can do for the forseeable future about overseas players.

There is no doubt that fantasy games are currently classed as gambling in the UK - but that is not the point. The relevant legal issue is whether that prevents overseas entrants from playing UK-based fantasy games and, IMHO, the answer to that is no - it depends on the law of the country where the entrant is domiciled.

That is the position taken by both The Mirror and The Sun and, with all due respect, someone in your part of the organisation needs to point that out to the relevant Legal Department/ Consultants and ask for a revised opinion. Holding your hands up in the air and saying that nothing can be done is just avoiding the problem, I'm afraid.

[Bramernic]

someone in your part of the organisation needs to point that out to the relevant Legal Department/ Consultants and ask for a revised opinion

Playing devil's advocate for a second, it's quite likely that this has happened. It's almost certain that it's the Telegraph legal department and/or their advisors who have said "that's our decision and we're not going to change it".

In the interests of developing the fledgling relationship between FISO and TFFootball, might I tactfully suggest that we leave this issue to one side for now.

[Malrom]

Lots of comments on here today! Apologies for the inacitivity, we have been in meetings all day looking at ideas for WC and next season, lots of which have been mentioned on here. When we can share some of the discussions with you, we will do.

To answer an earlier question, you can log in and transfer from abroad (or at least, we don't have anything in place to block this) but cannot register or pay for a team abroad.

Also, as has been pointed out, it is impossible to say that there will be no technical issues ever with the site, but we will be doing whatever we can to ensure that there are no problems. There is little point us delivering a great game (in our humble opinion ) and it not being playable or accesible. I can promise you it's not fun for us when the site experiences problems and we read negative comments on here as a result.

Welcome to FISO! As a foreigner who already played the paper game in 19.. I am still angry about not letting me play.
The question remains if your lawyers are much cleverer than the other lawyers of fantasy games or simply or are they just not good enough to understand the law? I'm sure I'm not the only idiot who still pays for the game and can't put his name to it.

Another thing which drove me crazy is the superleague thing. 3 of us wanted to change the superleague and weren't allowed to, still we were deleted from the old one. How amateurish can it get

Unfortunately this is still the best game.


Mod edit: moved from similarly named TFF thread.

[TFFootball]

I'm really sorry, and I don't want this to look like I'm avoiding the problem, but there is nothing we can do at the moment, and I'm not in a position to comment on other games or the advice they have received. I can assure you that it certainly doesn't help us being UK only, but that is the current situation. Hopefully you will understand that I can't comment on this further.

Malrom - what was the issue you had with the super league? Did you want to change it's name?

[Chocs]

Thanks for all the responses. It seem's like small tweaks are the order of the day. I don't think we would ever get agreement on rule changes, like the number of transfers, but I'm guessing that anything that could be done to improve the efficiency of selecting and managing teams would be met with general approval?

Good to hear from the Telegraph on the forum - I would agree with your comments in the quote above, particularly about not increasing transfers. Anything that can be done to help players who do not have computer access at kick off times would be good, although I'm assuming that the rise in smartphones will make life easier - in fact I've just persuaded my wife to upgrade to a new Android phone with this in mind.

Looking forward to an early launch of TFFO next season!

[Evvy18]

Hi TFFootball and as stated by many others thanks for posting and seeking advice.

Having played this game for 5 years now it is bar far in my opinion the best out there, requiring both skill, knowledge and dedication.

The interface has been a key issue this season especially relating to the various sponsors 'pop ups' and other on screen marketing which meant that team set up time initially was taking hours and not minutes. This applied in my case regardless of browser selection. The update made at the gameweek 38 significantly improved page loading speed and thus meant less than 5 minutes to set/change a weekends worth of teams rather than the previous 30 minutes.

With an early launch (why not offer it in as an option when buying world cup squads instead of just TFF) and an increase in weekly/monthly/divisional prizes would see an increase in numbers.

Do I want to get free TFF teams with my world cup team, not necessarily, but I'ld certainly would if TFFOSM offers applied!

Keep up the good work

[Malrom]

someone in your part of the organisation needs to point that out to the relevant Legal Department/ Consultants and ask for a revised opinion

Playing devil's advocate for a second, it's quite likely that this has happened. It's almost certain that it's the Telegraph legal department and/or their advisors who have said "that's our decision and we're not going to change it".

In the interests of developing the fledgling relationship between FISO and TFFootball, might I tactfully suggest that we leave this issue to one side for now.

No, it's too important to us foreigners! Sorry, Bramernic

[Malrom]

I'm really sorry, and I don't want this to look like I'm avoiding the problem, but there is nothing we can do at the moment, and I'm not in a position to comment on other games or the advice they have received. I can assure you that it certainly doesn't help us being UK only, but that is the current situation. Hopefully you will understand that I can't comment on this further.

Malrom - what was the issue you had with the super league? Did you want to change it's name?

Thanks for coming back to this

No, the problem was that we had a super leauge, but only 3 people in it. So we deceided to join another one and asked the exsisting one to be deleted, which happened, but we weren't allowed to join another at this moment.
That left us with an email exchange over the whole season, which was very annoying

[Bramernic]

someone in your part of the organisation needs to point that out to the relevant Legal Department/ Consultants and ask for a revised opinion

Playing devil's advocate for a second, it's quite likely that this has happened. It's almost certain that it's the Telegraph legal department and/or their advisors who have said "that's our decision and we're not going to change it".

In the interests of developing the fledgling relationship between FISO and TFFootball, might I tactfully suggest that we leave this issue to one side for now.

No, it's too important to us foreigners! Sorry, Bramernic

Just in case there's any confusion, this next comment from TFFootball is related to the overseas problem. It is as much as we are going to get on the matter on here.

I'm really sorry, and I don't want this to look like I'm avoiding the problem, but there is nothing we can do at the moment, and I'm not in a position to comment on other games or the advice they have received. I can assure you that it certainly doesn't help us being UK only, but that is the current situation. Hopefully you will understand that I can't comment on this further.

[Malrom]

someone in your part of the organisation needs to point that out to the relevant Legal Department/ Consultants and ask for a revised opinion

Playing devil's advocate for a second, it's quite likely that this has happened. It's almost certain that it's the Telegraph legal department and/or their advisors who have said "that's our decision and we're not going to change it".

In the interests of developing the fledgling relationship between FISO and TFFootball, might I tactfully suggest that we leave this issue to one side for now.

No, it's too important to us foreigners! Sorry, Bramernic

Just in case there's any confusion, this next comment from TFFootball is related to the overseas problem. It is as much as we are going to get on the matter on here.

I'm really sorry, and I don't want this to look like I'm avoiding the problem, but there is nothing we can do at the moment, and I'm not in a position to comment on other games or the advice they have received. I can assure you that it certainly doesn't help us being UK only, but that is the current situation. Hopefully you will understand that I can't comment on this further.

It's the first time since I'm on FISO that I feel kind of censorship here. I do want to speak out about this, otherwise someone will tell me I didn't mention it before or was not serious enough about it. Since a few years I'm paying a lot of money to the telegraph, that alone gives me the right to complain if I feel betrayed!
I don't care about the website and the interface, I always found the handling ok after one weekend and I liked all the interface before too. My problem is......... and you know it

[murf]

Malrom,

TFFootball has said he can't comment further. I understand your problem and the views of various people that their stance is illogica but I can't see the point of dragging it on here in this thread. Maybe a new thread or a PM / contact us to the Telegraph?

[Oddsman]

Hi TFFootball - lots of comments on the TFF website about the imminent launch of that game - any news about our beloved TFFO ?

[reds363]

News from TFF-land: no MOM and back to KCs, wahey!! Assuming (as will surely be the case) TFFO will just copy TFF's scoring again, that's great news.

I'm guessing TFF will launch by next week, hopefully TFFO will not be far behind, or even at the same time! Hope it's not too long: I set up my flange checker earlier this week after TV fixtures were announced, now I'm itching to get a look at the player lists!

[Ashers]

News from TFF-land: no MOM and back to KCs, wahey!! Assuming (as will surely be the case) TFFO will just copy TFF's scoring again, that's great news.

I'm guessing TFF will launch by next week, hopefully TFFO will not be far behind, or even at the same time! Hope it's not too long: I set up my flange checker earlier this week after TV fixtures were announced, now I'm itching to get a look at the player lists!

What is your flange checker?

[Deppy]

I played TFFO for the 1st time last season as part of a deal, i normally just play the TFF version. After a couple of months i got sick & tired of the team changes fiasco, why can't it just be done virtually on one page like the OFL game.
I only had one team so certainly feel sorry for those which had more, this has certainly put me off playing the game again.

[Oddsman]

I played TFFO for the 1st time last season as part of a deal, i normally just play the TFF version. After a couple of months i got sick & tired of the team changes fiasco, why can't it just be done virtually on one page like the OFL game.
I only had one team so certainly feel sorry for those which had more, this has certainly put me off playing the game again.

IMO, and many on this forum, TFFO is the best fantasy footie game bar none.

Agreed, hopefully they've addressed some of the GUI issues with the new site.

Would certainly give it another season Deppy - beating friends and family is one thing - but outplaying some of the seasoned and battle weary campaigners who play this game would be a mighty rewarding challenge.

[Ashers]

TFFO is the best game out there.

I hated the first season that I played it and now love it that I am starting to master it.

[reds363]

What is your flange checker?

It's just a little spreadsheet I use, I've put in which teams are playing in each flange and it will help me keep track of how many players I have per flange in any given squad - with primary aim to help me minimise 'unmanned flanges'

[Ashers]

What is your flange checker?

It's just a little spreadsheet I use, I've put in which teams are playing in each flange and it will help me keep track of how many players I have per flange in any given squad - with primary aim to help me minimise 'unmanned flanges'

Any chance of borrowing it?

[reds363]

What is your flange checker?

It's just a little spreadsheet I use, I've put in which teams are playing in each flange and it will help me keep track of how many players I have per flange in any given squad - with primary aim to help me minimise 'unmanned flanges'

Any chance of borrowing it?

If you send me a PM with your email address I can email you it, cos I don't think you can send file attachments over FISO.

[Oddsman]

TFFootball, any news about the imminent launch of TFFO you would like to relay to us?

[looneytoon77]

TFFootball, any news about the imminent launch of TFFO you would like to relay to us?

I see TFF 10/11 has launched today with player prices etc & the post of the TFF forum with the price savings - So TFFootball, as Oddsman commented, can we expect to see our beloved TFFO game returning soon also?

I also have seen that the top prize this season in TFF is now £50K - Please don't tell me this is due to there being no TFFO to have to distribute prize money to?

[reds363]

I also have seen that the top prize this season in TFF is now £50K - Please don't tell me this is due to there being no TFFO to have to distribute prize money to?

I'm sure it was 50k last year? If so, don't think we can read anything into that.

Gonna PM Mr TFF to try and nudge him over here.

[Oddsman]

TFFootball, can we have news on the launch date of TFFO please.

A coming soon message on the OFFICE page would be most welcome.

Having told us on the TFFOSM forum a while a go that the game would be running this season a number of us are now getting a tad nervous especially as it is not mentioned in any of the package deals

Have just posted this on the TFF forum. Hopefully we will get some news soon.