Week 17 KCs and MotM Dec 5th 6th 9th 10th and 11th

Post by **Striker** » 11 Dec 2006, 09:14

Murf and the Tele suggest Kuyt was worth MotM, albeit marginally. From my infrequent visits to matches these days, I'm not surprised that only 3% of the "red jury" could see this. I'm totally amazed at the comments of some of those around me during and after games. Its as though they are at a different match from the one that I'm attending.

Post by **richardc77** » 11 Dec 2006, 09:15

murf wrote:
scarletjim wrote:Nice surprise that Kuyt got it.
I thought Kuyt was excellent (would have got my vote just) but thought Gerrard would sneak it.

FYI the voting from the red jury.....

Carragher 897
Gerrard 847
Agger 631
Pennant 314
Alonso 182
Garcia 155
Kuyt 121
Finnan 100

Yes Agree Kuyt and gerrard we're the obvious two, shows how suspect the LFC website poll is - sentimentality is the only reason anyone would give it to Carragher - firsty goal in 7 years or not!

Post by **murf** » 11 Dec 2006, 09:23

2 centre backs in the top 3! Entirely for their attacking contribution I'd guess as if they had hung back they would only have needed to get out of their armchairs about 3 times.

Gerrard and Alonso bossed central midfield and most attackers played well. Kuyt was the busy and the main threat although suprisingly had no contribution to the goals apart from winning the initial pen (the dam breaker)

Post by **Judio** » 11 Dec 2006, 09:51

As Bram appears to be not around on this site, could someone confirm from TFFO(when they update) whether Rooney got the KC for third goal??

Post by **axel** » 11 Dec 2006, 10:01

Has somebody upset Bram? I hope not.

Post by **unhappyhoppy** » 11 Dec 2006, 10:14

I don't think so.

I quite like having the info on his site. Saves having to search though the KC thread.

Post by **Judio** » 11 Dec 2006, 11:44

Confirmed on TFFO
Blackburn 1-3 Newcastle
Martins (Sibierski)
Taylor (-) No to N'Zogbia
Pedersen (-)
Martins (-)

Bolton 4-0 West Ham
Davies (Speed, Diouf)
Davies (Speed, Campo)
Diouf (-)
Anelka (Speed)

Liverpool 4-0 Fulham
Gerrard (-) but 0 points as a missed penalty beforehand
Carragher (Gerrard, Agger)
Garcia (Agger)
Gonzalez (-)

Man United 3-1 Man City
Rooney (Ronaldo)
Saha (Heinze)
Trabelsi (-)
Ronaldo (-) No to Rooney

Middlesbrough 1-1 Wigan
Camara (-)
Yakubu (Viduka, Morrison)

Portsmouth 2-0 Everton
Taylor (-)
Kanu (O'Neil)

Tottenham 5-1 Charlton
Berbatov (Lennon)
Tainio (-)
Dawson og (Reid)
Malbranque (Tainio, Berbatov)
Defoe (-) no to Lennon
Berbatov (-)

Watford 0-0 Reading
Chelsea 1-1 Arsenal
Flamini (Hleb)
Essien (-)

Post by **robbielee** » 11 Dec 2006, 11:52

Judio wrote: Man United 3-1 Man City[/b]
Rooney (Ronaldo)
Saha (Heinze)
Trabelsi (-)
Ronaldo (-) No to Rooney

Must say that I'm surprised that deflected crosses from Ronaldo and Heinze have both been awarded KCs but the deflected cross from Rooney has not. Perhaps TFF were trying to even things up again after the debatable man of the match award!!

Post by **thelip** » 11 Dec 2006, 11:53

thelip wrote:
derbynige wrote: surely lennon wil get kc for defoe goal?
Many have doubted Bramernic in the past but few have been able to say "I told you so".

I told you so

Post by **Judio** » 11 Dec 2006, 11:55

derbynige wrote:Surely lennon wil get kc for defoe goal?

As Bramernic predicted there was no KC

Post by **Judio** » 11 Dec 2006, 11:58

robbielee wrote:Must say that I'm surprised that deflected crosses from Ronaldo and Heinze have both been awarded KCs but the deflected cross from Rooney has not. Perhaps TFF were trying to even things up again after the debatable man of the match award!!

Just watched the goals again

On Rooney's cross there was not one but TWO deflections, the second of which slowed the ball down for Ronaldo

On Ronaldo's cross there was not even clear evidence that the defender even touched it

Three good decisions (and I have Rooney

)

Post by **gibbogod** » 11 Dec 2006, 12:23

Judio wrote:

Chelsea 1-1 Arsenal
Flamini (Hleb)
Essien (-)

I'm assuming the Essien one is a mistake? Lampard clearly passed the ball directly to him, no one else touched it.

Post by **Yer Old Da** » 11 Dec 2006, 12:25

gibbogod wrote:
Judio wrote:

Chelsea 1-1 Arsenal
Flamini (Hleb)
Essien (-)

I'm assuming the Essien one is a mistake? Lampard clearly passed the ball directly to him, no one else touched it.

Read the thread eh?

Post by **browny** » 11 Dec 2006, 12:26

gibbogod wrote:
Judio wrote:

Chelsea 1-1 Arsenal
Flamini (Hleb)
Essien (-)

I'm assuming the Essien one is a mistake? Lampard clearly passed the ball directly to him, no one else touched it.

Shot was outside the box..so no kc

Post by **robbielee** » 11 Dec 2006, 12:47

gibbogod wrote:
Judio wrote:

Chelsea 1-1 Arsenal
Flamini (Hleb)
Essien (-)

I'm assuming the Essien one is a mistake? Lampard clearly passed the ball directly to him, no one else touched it.

Basically Essien did too much for a KC to be awarded and Lampard's pass did not do enough to justify a KC. i.e. it did not split a defence or take any defenders out. It was just a pass rolled into the path of a team mate 30 yards out.

I believe in other games Lampard may have been given points for an "assist" but KCs in TFF work slightly differently.

Hope this explanation helps a bit.

Post by **dellboy30** » 11 Dec 2006, 13:07

I am missing something here, all these decisions seem straightforward

Lampards contribution was anything but key, couple of touches, didn't beat a man, 5 yard backward lay-off. Imagine it was a dead-ball and he touched it to Essien.....no KC

Ronaldo's cross into the area wasn't touched by anyone but Ronney

Heinze's cross into the 6-yard box had one deflection but it didn't alter the height or direction, i.e. the result would have been the same

Rooney's cross had 2 deflections, if it was only the 1st then it would be a KC, same as Heinze, but the 2nd deflection couldn't have happened without the 1st and it also altered the low cross, i.e. it made it pop-up in the air for Ronaldo to bang in

Rooney MOTM, fair enough, every MOTM is debatable but they are chosen impartially by sports journalists, which is a bit more trustworthy than a
ad-hoc fiso poll

It all balances out over a season anyway.........

Post by **nhat1579** » 11 Dec 2006, 13:27

dellboy30 wrote:I am missing something here, all these decisions seem straightforward

Lampards contribution was anything but key, couple of touches, didn't beat a man, 5 yard backward lay-off. Imagine it was a dead-ball and he touched it to Essien.....no KC

Ronaldo's cross into the area wasn't touched by anyone but Ronney

Heinze's cross into the 6-yard box had one deflection but it didn't alter the height or direction, i.e. the result would have been the same

Rooney's cross had 2 deflections, if it was only the 1st then it would be a KC, same as Heinze, but the 2nd deflection couldn't have happened without the 1st and it also altered the low cross, i.e. it made it pop-up in the air for Ronaldo to bang in

Rooney MOTM, fair enough, every MOTM is debatable but they are chosen impartially by sports journalists, which is a bit more trustworthy than a
ad-hoc fiso poll

It all balances out over a season anyway.........

Finally someone talking some sense.

Do we REALLY have to have the same old conversations EVERY week?

Post by **richardc77** » 11 Dec 2006, 13:31

YEP well said the last two posters. Life's too short...

Post by **Burcop** » 11 Dec 2006, 13:50

nhat1579 wrote:
dellboy30 wrote:I am missing something here, all these decisions seem straightforward

Lampards contribution was anything but key, couple of touches, didn't beat a man, 5 yard backward lay-off. Imagine it was a dead-ball and he touched it to Essien.....no KC

Ronaldo's cross into the area wasn't touched by anyone but Ronney

Heinze's cross into the 6-yard box had one deflection but it didn't alter the height or direction, i.e. the result would have been the same

Rooney's cross had 2 deflections, if it was only the 1st then it would be a KC, same as Heinze, but the 2nd deflection couldn't have happened without the 1st and it also altered the low cross, i.e. it made it pop-up in the air for Ronaldo to bang in

Rooney MOTM, fair enough, every MOTM is debatable but they are chosen impartially by sports journalists, which is a bit more trustworthy than a
ad-hoc fiso poll

It all balances out over a season anyway.........
Finally someone talking some sense.

Do we REALLY have to have the same old conversations EVERY week?

YES, and that is why we follow football as we do.
Discussion and arguments about the games are half the fun
Otherwise there would be no place for a forum like this one !!

Post by **fazza_1973** » 11 Dec 2006, 14:18

Can anyone confirm did Gerard get -5 for missing the penalty please?
Also did Rooney get an assist for Ronaldo's goal?
Few discussions in the office.
Please help resolve.

Post by **murf** » 11 Dec 2006, 14:20

fazza_1973 wrote:Can anyone confirm did Gerard get -5 for missing the penalty please?
Also did Rooney get an assist for Ronaldo's goal?
Few discussions in the office.
Please help resolve.

This thread can confirm everything you need to know so may I suggest actually reading it prior to asking for spoon feeding.

Post by **Tricky Tree** » 11 Dec 2006, 14:21

fazza_1973 wrote:Can anyone confirm did Gerard get -5 for missing the penalty please?
Also did Rooney get an assist for Ronaldo's goal?
Few discussions in the office.
Please help resolve.

-5 for the miss yes. It's in the rules! Then + 5 for scoring +2 for playing and +3 for assisting the 2nd goal.

No assist for Rooney

All this is on the thread

Post by **fazza_1973** » 11 Dec 2006, 14:27

Cheers Tricky Tree - just sorted an argument!!!

Post by **Serg** » 11 Dec 2006, 14:44

Lampard layed it back to Essien, why does that not count? How many points did Gerrard get, did he miss a penalty? What does that mean then?

Sorry couldn't resist

Post by **caerphillyred** » 11 Dec 2006, 14:50

Serg,

I was just about to start shouting too then until I seen your last line

Post by **The Ledge** » 11 Dec 2006, 14:53

caerphillyred wrote:Serg,

I was just about to start shouting too then until I seen your last line

About to start shouting at someone for not reading the thread properly you hypocrit. Brilliant

Post by **svwhat** » 11 Dec 2006, 15:02

scarletjim wrote:
Arabian Knight wrote:
svwhat wrote:Thought Rooney was MoM by a mile and thought he had 2 KC's - Will he get one for pressing to get ball off City defender and getting it to Heinze for the cross when saha scored?

Are you kidding - Rooney was good, but not MOM, Ronaldo was superb. Thought Vidic and Ferdinand have more call on MOM than Rooney.

Nope was not kidding :

A little annoyed no Kc's though

Post by **Judio** » 11 Dec 2006, 15:40

Ok back to the serious points

Have just watched the video and it is difficult to tell
why N'Zogbia's cross didn't get awarded a KC for the
second Newcastle Goal

Yes it hit someone on the way through, but that someone was Taylor
who then scored

Post by **fazza_1973** » 11 Dec 2006, 16:25

Liverpool (0) 4 Fulham (0) 0

Goals: Gerrard, Carragher, Garcia, Gonzalez
Key Contributions (KCs): Gerrard, Agger x 2
Booked: Pennant, Pearce
Man-of-the-Match (MOTM): Kuyt

Just got the above details through on email from the Telegraph.....does this mean that Gerard doesnt lose pts for the penalty miss?
Confused!!!

Post by **unhappyhoppy** » 11 Dec 2006, 16:31

fazza_1973 wrote:Liverpool (0) 4 Fulham (0) 0

Goals: Gerrard, Carragher, Garcia, Gonzalez
Key Contributions (KCs): Gerrard, Agger x 2
Booked: Pennant, Pearce
Man-of-the-Match (MOTM): Kuyt

Just got the above details through on email from the Telegraph.....does this mean that Gerard doesnt lose pts for the penalty miss?
Confused!!!

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