Premierleague don't give KCs. They give assists to the last person to touch the ball. Very different. I'd be very surprised to see a keeper get a KC in this game (could still happen, though)yeboah wrote:After watching MOTD i think Carvalho should definatly get a KC - did quite a lot of work for the goal..
Also Kirkland should get 2 assists - premierleague.com gave him them..
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Yeah true - but id be very surprised if Kirkland didnt get a KC for the first goal - im not bothered tho as i dont have him hehetedbull2002 wrote:Premierleague don't give KCs. They give assists to the last person to touch the ball. Very different. I'd be very surprised to see a keeper get a KC in this game (could still happen, though)yeboah wrote:After watching MOTD i think Carvalho should definatly get a KC - did quite a lot of work for the goal..
Also Kirkland should get 2 assists - premierleague.com gave him them..
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You don't see a possibility of a KC for Chris Kirkland for either of the first two goals? Thought the first particularly might qualify.
No axe to grind on this one. Just interested in your reasoning.
Have they given CS's for 'keepers before? I remember last season i was sure i'd have one for VDS as it was a long punt with no deflections...but he didn't get it.
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To answer the various questions ...
1) They do give KCs to goalkeepers, but very infrequently. As has been mentioned, it needs to be clearly a planned move rather than a punt upfield. In both cases yesterday I would say Kirkland was simply going route 1 and hoping someone got on the end.
2) It doesn't matter how much work a player does, the contribution is only a KC if it is key to the goal being scored. A defender could have taken the ball from one end of the field to the other but if he then passed 2-3 feet to the scorer it's unlikely that a KC would be given. Carvalho's pass was borderline in my view, it should get a KC but I wouldn't bet my last pound on it. It also depends whether they think Shevchenko touched it. If they do, he'll get the KC and not Carvalho.
1) They do give KCs to goalkeepers, but very infrequently. As has been mentioned, it needs to be clearly a planned move rather than a punt upfield. In both cases yesterday I would say Kirkland was simply going route 1 and hoping someone got on the end.
2) It doesn't matter how much work a player does, the contribution is only a KC if it is key to the goal being scored. A defender could have taken the ball from one end of the field to the other but if he then passed 2-3 feet to the scorer it's unlikely that a KC would be given. Carvalho's pass was borderline in my view, it should get a KC but I wouldn't bet my last pound on it. It also depends whether they think Shevchenko touched it. If they do, he'll get the KC and not Carvalho.
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Hanhemann could get one for the doyle goal!Bramernic wrote:To answer the various questions ...
1) They do give KCs to goalkeepers, but very infrequently. As has been mentioned, it needs to be clearly a planned move rather than a punt upfield. In both cases yesterday I would say Kirkland was simply going route 1 and hoping someone got on the end.
2) It doesn't matter how much work a player does, the contribution is only a KC if it is key to the goal being scored. A defender could have taken the ball from one end of the field to the other but if he then passed 2-3 feet to the scorer it's unlikely that a KC would be given. Carvalho's pass was borderline in my view, it should get a KC but I wouldn't bet my last pound on it. It also depends whether they think Shevchenko touched it. If they do, he'll get the KC and not Carvalho.
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i hate to question you bram, as your opinion is held in high regard on this forum, but surely if someone dribbled the length of the pitch before passing to the goal scorer, surely this would count as a KC, because if the run hadn't been made, the goal would never have been scored. i'll be interested to hear why you think notBramernic wrote:To answer the various questions ...
1) They do give KCs to goalkeepers, but very infrequently. As has been mentioned, it needs to be clearly a planned move rather than a punt upfield. In both cases yesterday I would say Kirkland was simply going route 1 and hoping someone got on the end.
2) It doesn't matter how much work a player does, the contribution is only a KC if it is key to the goal being scored. A defender could have taken the ball from one end of the field to the other but if he then passed 2-3 feet to the scorer it's unlikely that a KC would be given. Carvalho's pass was borderline in my view, it should get a KC but I wouldn't bet my last pound on it. It also depends whether they think Shevchenko touched it. If they do, he'll get the KC and not Carvalho.
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i hate to question you bram, as your opinion is held in high regard on this forum, but surely if someone dribbled the length of the pitch before passing to the goal scorer, surely this would count as a KC, because if the run hadn't been made, the goal would never have been scored. i'll be interested to hear why you think not.Bramernic wrote:To answer the various questions ...
1) They do give KCs to goalkeepers, but very infrequently. As has been mentioned, it needs to be clearly a planned move rather than a punt upfield. In both cases yesterday I would say Kirkland was simply going route 1 and hoping someone got on the end.
2) It doesn't matter how much work a player does, the contribution is only a KC if it is key to the goal being scored. A defender could have taken the ball from one end of the field to the other but if he then passed 2-3 feet to the scorer it's unlikely that a KC would be given. Carvalho's pass was borderline in my view, it should get a KC but I wouldn't bet my last pound on it. It also depends whether they think Shevchenko touched it. If they do, he'll get the KC and not Carvalho.
also, if a player gets a KC for taking a corner, surely kirkland will get one. the reason i say this is that a corner taker is usually just lumping it into the box with the hope one of his players will get on the end of it, not necessarily AIMING at the goalscorer, similar to kirklands 'long ball' ???
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There is a highly technical set of rules governing how to give a KC in this game. There is little room for exceptions to be made to the physical conditions that have to be fulfilled for KC or KCs to be given.nickchild wrote:i hate to question you bram, as your opinion is held in high regard on this forum, but surely if someone dribbled the length of the pitch before passing to the goal scorer, surely this would count as a KC, because if the run hadn't been made, the goal would never have been scored. i'll be interested to hear why you think not.Bramernic wrote:To answer the various questions ...
1) They do give KCs to goalkeepers, but very infrequently. As has been mentioned, it needs to be clearly a planned move rather than a punt upfield. In both cases yesterday I would say Kirkland was simply going route 1 and hoping someone got on the end.
2) It doesn't matter how much work a player does, the contribution is only a KC if it is key to the goal being scored. A defender could have taken the ball from one end of the field to the other but if he then passed 2-3 feet to the scorer it's unlikely that a KC would be given. Carvalho's pass was borderline in my view, it should get a KC but I wouldn't bet my last pound on it. It also depends whether they think Shevchenko touched it. If they do, he'll get the KC and not Carvalho.
also, if a player gets a KC for taking a corner, surely kirkland will get one. the reason i say this is that a corner taker is usually just lumping it into the box with the hope one of his players will get on the end of it, not necessarily AIMING at the goalscorer, similar to kirklands 'long ball' ???
You're questions to Bram are unfounded, because all he's doing is (expertly) applying the rules. Your points are certainly good points and a debate could be had but it wont change the rules of the game.
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Experience suggests that if the pass doesn't split the defence (or at least take out a defender) then it won't get a KC.nickchild wrote:i hate to question you bram, as your opinion is held in high regard on this forum, but surely if someone dribbled the length of the pitch before passing to the goal scorer, surely this would count as a KC, because if the run hadn't been made, the goal would never have been scored. i'll be interested to hear why you think not.
I think if you spoke to people like Lampard, Giggs etc that they would dispute this assertion.nickchild wrote:also, if a player gets a KC for taking a corner, surely kirkland will get one. the reason i say this is that a corner taker is usually just lumping it into the box with the hope one of his players will get on the end of it, not necessarily AIMING at the goalscorer, similar to kirklands 'long ball' ???
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The corner dispute is a strange one, mainly, because teams practice where they are going to put the set pieces, there not just "lumping" it in there, but i like the saying none the less! (right ole english saying), so kc's are gained rightfully from corners and free-kicks!Bramernic wrote:Experience suggests that if the pass doesn't split the defence (or at least take out a defender) then it won't get a KC.nickchild wrote:i hate to question you bram, as your opinion is held in high regard on this forum, but surely if someone dribbled the length of the pitch before passing to the goal scorer, surely this would count as a KC, because if the run hadn't been made, the goal would never have been scored. i'll be interested to hear why you think not.
I think if you spoke to people like Lampard, Giggs etc that they would dispute this assertion.nickchild wrote:also, if a player gets a KC for taking a corner, surely kirkland will get one. the reason i say this is that a corner taker is usually just lumping it into the box with the hope one of his players will get on the end of it, not necessarily AIMING at the goalscorer, similar to kirklands 'long ball' ???
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I know there is another thread....but there was a question asked and I felt it needed answering! This two thread matchday thing is very confusing :S I read the forum every day so am okay with it...but I can imagine that to somebody who only visits on occassions that its all confusing!tedbull2002 wrote:I saw it and there's absolutely no chance. He played a 5 yard ball backwards (35 yards from goal by the touchline) and it took no players out of the game.thepole wrote:Normally two touches will not negate a KC, this season there has been cases where three touches has still resulted in two KCs.T-boy wrote:I would say no. Osbourne took two touches...one to control, one to cross....so definitely Sutton (Osbourne)db83 wrote:Any chance you reckon Agbonlohor will get on in all?Crookface wrote:Watching
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I won't speculate on whether Gabby will get the KC though, as I haven't seen it.
This is why there is another thread in the forum.
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Funny how people see things so differently. I thought MOTM was Hleb or Eboue (but won't be complaining if Clichy gets it , to be fair he was also good).chaser2k4 wrote:Arsenal 3 - 0 Liverpool
Flamini (Hleb,Fab)
Toure (RVP)
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Motm Prediction: Clichy.
PS I'm one of the relatively few people speculating on MOTM who hasn't been drinking all day (very unusual for me on a Sunday! )
PPS Not meaning to offend anyone on here by the way, I mean all the drunk people in the pub speculating (one said MOTM was Hyypia! )
EDIT: Sorry, just realised this NOT the speculation thread.
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I agree, it was Agbonlahor's hassling that won possesion, plus Osborne only had one touch to cross.macca20m wrote:Just a quick point....surely if carvalho gets a KC for running down the line to lay it off to geremi to cross, agbonlahor will get one for doing the same for villas goal. IMO none should stand but just a point
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Just got back from the Arsenal game and wanted to add to the MoM talk. I'm thinking Kolo Toure should get it, he was outstanding today. Good tackling, good in the air against the beanpole and capped off with a goal. Same could go for Gallas but Kolo made many more tackles.
Won't and shouldn't be Eboue (Although i have in all teams). He was ok, but has had much better games and wasn't making the forward runs he did before injury. Same goes for Clichy, he was good but there were more dominate players on the pitch.
Just my opinion.
Won't and shouldn't be Eboue (Although i have in all teams). He was ok, but has had much better games and wasn't making the forward runs he did before injury. Same goes for Clichy, he was good but there were more dominate players on the pitch.
Just my opinion.
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