Week 9 KCs and MotM Oct 14th 15th and 16th

Post by **Digsby** » 14 Oct 2006, 18:55

Been at AFC v Watford.
2 horse race for MOM Fabregas and Rosicky.

Post by **dannyslewis** » 14 Oct 2006, 18:57

Digsby wrote:Been at AFC v Watford.

Unlucky mate

Post by **PSA** » 14 Oct 2006, 19:23

Was at the game too and Rosicky was class, however i want a Kolo/Cecs or Henry MoM. In terms of who should get it i'd go with Rosicky too.

Post by **Anubis** » 14 Oct 2006, 20:41

I need a Fabregas assist

Post by **Judio** » 14 Oct 2006, 20:49

Flipside wrote:Do you mean no KC full stop or no KC for winning free kick?

There is never a KC if the ball takes a significant deflection off a defender

I mean No KC full stop

Post by **HOOTER** » 14 Oct 2006, 20:55

I was at the Villa Spurs game (even tho Im a United fan - dont ask ! ) .

Im racking my brain to think who took the corner for Spurs - I think it was Jenas. It was a bizarre as it wasnt a good corner !

Barry's goal was a classic , beat one man then curled it with his right. No assist.

MOM ? Mcann and Petrov played well. Barry got a cracking goal , and handled Lennon well when he came on. For Spurs , Defoe eventually came alive in the last 25 mins , and Im not a big fan, but Jenas played well.

Post by **Raisin** » 14 Oct 2006, 21:30

Judio wrote:
Flipside wrote:Do you mean no KC full stop or no KC for winning free kick?
There is never a KC if the ball takes a significant deflection off a defender

I mean No KC full stop

I'm pretty sure Lampard will get a KC. The shot was on target. There was a slight deflection taking it off target before Ingimarsson intervened, and the rules state:

A key contribution will not necessarily be awarded to the last player to touch the ball before the goal scorer and may be awarded for opposition own goals.

Post by **The Jezster** » 14 Oct 2006, 21:33

Id listen to Judio Raisen, hes pretty spot on and knows how these things work.

Plus, Lampard himself admitted his shot was off target when interviewed after the match.

Post by **murf** » 14 Oct 2006, 22:16

Lampard's shot looked on target to me but it took a fair size deflection off defender 1 which was taking it well wide before it pinged in off defender 2.

No KC because of the extent of the first deflection.

Post by **Elvis77** » 14 Oct 2006, 23:33

Judio wrote:Please post your opinions only having SEEN the Goals.
This is not a thread for discussing possible KCs from text commentary on the BBC.
I will update this first post with Confirmed KCs from TFFO and also
the Official MOTMs.

Disappointing thread. At least you tried Judio. I was looking for some decent info before going to bed.

Post by **Mark R** » 14 Oct 2006, 23:34

Tricky Tree wrote:I HATE HIM

Hate is rather a strong word. Dont you think?

Post by **Dave_E** » 14 Oct 2006, 23:38

AV 1-1 TOT
Angel o.g. (corner taker - Jenas?)
Barry (-)
Angel missed pen

Post by **Mark R** » 14 Oct 2006, 23:45

Dave_E wrote:AV 1-1 TOT
Angel o.g. (corner taker - Jenas?)
Barry (-)
Angel missed pen

So that would be Angel on -6 then?

Post by **Dave_E** » 14 Oct 2006, 23:45

MID 2-1 EVE
Yakubu pen (-)
Viduka (Euell)
Cahill (Johnson possibly?)
Yakubu pen saved by Howard

Post by **chrismartin** » 14 Oct 2006, 23:48

Dave_E wrote:MID 2-1 EVE
Yakubu pen (-)
Viduka (Euell)
Cahill (Johnson possibly?)
Yakubu pen saved by Howard

Sorry, no KC for Johnson - Cahill took it off him and dribbled into the box, it even hit a defender s, unfortunately, no KC...

Post by **Bramernic** » 14 Oct 2006, 23:53

Here are my predictions for today's potential KCs after watching MOTD.

*** Now confirmed on TFFO ***

Arsenal 3-0 Watford
Stewart og (Fabregas, Adebayor)
Henry (-)
Adebayor (Fabregas, Henry)

Aston Villa 1-1 Tottenham
Angel og (Defoe)
Barry (-)

Liverpool 1-1 Blackburn
McCarthy (Bentley)
Bellamy (Aurelio)

Man City 0-0 Sheffield United

Middlesbrough 2-1 Everton
Yakubu (-)
Viduka (Yakubu, Euell)
Cahill (-)

Portsmouth 2-0 West Ham
Kanu (Johnson)
Cole (-)

Reading 0-1 Chelsea
Ingimarsson og (-)

Wigan 1-3 Man United
Baines (-)
Vidic (Giggs)
Saha (Rooney)
Solskjaer (Rooney)

Post by **dilwar** » 14 Oct 2006, 23:57

Suprised and somewhat disappointed by no Lampard KC but I am certainley not going to argue with the wise one (Bram).

Everyone else has Fat Frank anyway so I guess its nothing lost.

Post by **Bramernic** » 15 Oct 2006, 00:03

Elvis77 wrote:Disappointing thread. At least you tried Judio. I was looking for some decent info before going to bed.

At least let us finish watching MOTD before posting our thoughts.

Post by **Bramernic** » 15 Oct 2006, 00:14

Raisin wrote:I'm pretty sure Lampard will get a KC. The shot was on target. There was a slight deflection taking it off target before Ingimarsson intervened, and the rules state:

A key contribution will not necessarily be awarded to the last player to touch the ball before the goal scorer and may be awarded for opposition own goals.

The key points to note here are:
The PA decided that it was an own goal, so the 'scorer' is Ingimarsson. It doesn't matter whether Lampard's shot was really on or off target, the decision has been made. The first deflection was very significant and will definitely rule out a KC, as per this quote from the TFFO definition of a KC "In all cases, any significant intervention by opposing players (e.g. rebounds or clearing the ball) will negate any KCs before that intervention.".

Post by **Digsby** » 15 Oct 2006, 00:18

Good enough for me. When was the last time you got one wrong Bram?

Post by **scarletjim** » 15 Oct 2006, 00:19

Bramernic wrote:
Elvis77 wrote:Disappointing thread. At least you tried Judio. I was looking for some decent info before going to bed.
At least let us finish watching MOTD before posting our thoughts.

I don't know Bram, pull your finger out mate.

Seriously thought cheers for all the hard work each week.

Post by **Hammertime** » 15 Oct 2006, 00:20

Bramernic wrote:Here are my predictions for today's potential KCs after watching MOTD.

Aston Villa 1-1 Tottenham
Angel og (Defoe)
Barry (-)

Sure it was Jenas who took the corner?

Post by **Bramernic** » 15 Oct 2006, 00:21

Digsby wrote:Good enough for me. When was the last time you got one wrong Bram?

If not the weekend before the internationals, then the weekend before that. I'm not infallible.

But if they give Lampard one I might stop trying

Post by **Raisin** » 15 Oct 2006, 00:25

Bramernic wrote:
Raisin wrote:I'm pretty sure Lampard will get a KC. The shot was on target. There was a slight deflection taking it off target before Ingimarsson intervened, and the rules state:

A key contribution will not necessarily be awarded to the last player to touch the ball before the goal scorer and may be awarded for opposition own goals.
The key points to note here are:
The PA decided that it was an own goal, so the 'scorer' is Ingimarsson. It doesn't matter whether Lampard's shot was really on or off target, the decision has been made. The first deflection was very significant and will definitely rule out a KC, as per this quote from the TFFO definition of a KC "In all cases, any significant intervention by opposing players (e.g. rebounds or clearing the ball) will negate any KCs before that intervention.".

I'm not going to argue with Bramernic and Judio but I'm still going to nurture a clandestine hope for a Lampard KC.

Post by **Drummerboy** » 15 Oct 2006, 00:26

Bramernic wrote:
Raisin wrote:I'm pretty sure Lampard will get a KC. The shot was on target. There was a slight deflection taking it off target before Ingimarsson intervened, and the rules state:

A key contribution will not necessarily be awarded to the last player to touch the ball before the goal scorer and may be awarded for opposition own goals.
The key points to note here are:
The PA decided that it was an own goal, so the 'scorer' is Ingimarsson. It doesn't matter whether Lampard's shot was really on or off target, the decision has been made. The first deflection was very significant and will definitely rule out a KC, as per this quote from the TFFO definition of a KC "In all cases, any significant intervention by opposing players (e.g. rebounds or clearing the ball) will negate any KCs before that intervention.".

Are you sure that definitiely applies for own goals? (Not sure, just asking!).

Post by **Bramernic** » 15 Oct 2006, 00:30

Hammertime wrote:Sure it was Jenas who took the corner?

Defoe won the corner and could be seen walking towards the flag to take it. Jenas was also spotted in the area (or someone wearing his number shirt).

Post by **Raisin** » 15 Oct 2006, 00:30

Drummerboy wrote:
Bramernic wrote:
Raisin wrote:I'm pretty sure Lampard will get a KC. The shot was on target. There was a slight deflection taking it off target before Ingimarsson intervened, and the rules state:

A key contribution will not necessarily be awarded to the last player to touch the ball before the goal scorer and may be awarded for opposition own goals.
The key points to note here are:
The PA decided that it was an own goal, so the 'scorer' is Ingimarsson. It doesn't matter whether Lampard's shot was really on or off target, the decision has been made. The first deflection was very significant and will definitely rule out a KC, as per this quote from the TFFO definition of a KC "In all cases, any significant intervention by opposing players (e.g. rebounds or clearing the ball) will negate any KCs before that intervention.".
Are you sure that definitiely applies for own goals? (Not sure, just asking!).

Bramernic is almost always right - damn and blast him

Post by **Hammertime** » 15 Oct 2006, 00:32

Bramernic wrote:
Hammertime wrote:Sure it was Jenas who took the corner?
Defoe won the corner and could be seen walking towards the flag to take it. Jenas was also spotted in the area (or someone wearing his number shirt).

Apologies Bram

shouldn't doubt you

Just read all the reports and they say Defoe as well, I just went on what Skysports said at the time it happened.

Post by **ethelmoomin** » 15 Oct 2006, 00:48

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for their input to this. Really a pleasure to listen to the pro's about this!

Post by **hornydog** » 15 Oct 2006, 04:17

Bramernic wrote:
Digsby wrote:Good enough for me. When was the last time you got one wrong Bram?
If not the weekend before the internationals, then the weekend before that. I'm not infallible.

But if they give Lampard one I might stop trying

Does that mean no one can set fire to you?

(sorry couldnt resist)

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