Fiso TFF Euro16 Draft Game

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Fiso Tff Euro Draft 8112018

Rules (provisional dependent on minor ammendment)

1. Snake style draft beginning on thursday ther 2nd June.
The order of the draft will be
based on the national lottery draw of Saturday May 28th. For newcomers every manager, in a pre-determined order, selects a player of his choice who has not already been chosen by another manager. Once all managers have selected their first player, every manager then selects his second choice from the remaining players in reverse order to that of the first round of picks, and the order reverses every round.
1b. Following the success of the last draft picks will be made on a time slot bases, if a slot is missed the next person goes and the missing drafter fills his pick as soon as available.

2. There will be a maximum of 15 teams. The limit is intended to ensure that managers do not have to include total rubbish in their teams.

3. During the group phase managers will be able to make three transfers,(starting from 8.01pm on friday the 10th of june) they can transfer into their teams any players who have not yet been drafted. However any player introduced into their game by TFF after the Start of our draft will not be available to managers during the group phase.

4. At the end of the group phase every manager will be able to make up to 5 transfers. He will be able to drop up to five players of his own choice. He will also be able to transfer in two players regardless of how many other managers want those players. In addition he will be able to bring in three other undrafted players from those who no manager has already chosen or have been thrown back into the “pot”.

Hence as soon as the last group game on June 22nd at the latest 11pm (managers will PM robot a list of 5 players who they wish to drop and two popular players who they wish to draft into their teams**.
(Should the last set of matches have no effect on your choices then an earlier pm on the 22nd is preferable to make it easier for me to create the table)

By 23.59 on the 22nd robot will post one of his colourful team charts showing who everyone has removed from their teams and include the 2"stars"



On June 23rd starting at 9am we will have a timed mini draft for managers to complete their teams.

The minidraft will start in reverse order or the initial draft and all drafters will have a pick in each round until they have no more picks to make thus making round 3 potential only a handfull of drafters.

As soon as the mini draft is finished and at the latest 23.59 on the 24th transfers are to be completed to enable time for team checks before last 16 kick off on the 25th.


5. During the knock out phase managers can make three more transfers of undrafted players.


** Robot will not open the pm's till after the last group phase game (will show as still in outbox) and will post or send striker his own choice as soon as the game finished.



Although these rules are now virtually finalised any comments would be welcome.

[robot]

Euro 12 and World 14 final tables:

STARTING XI

1 Patrick Mulhall Padmole Draft Fiso 195 9497
2 Ross Nendick A Bitter Draught 185 12914
3 Bill Wilkins Drafty Furry Pants 153 25818
4 Adrian Nelson Drafty Admirals 152 26190
5 Stephen Doyle Sted's Fiso Draft 146 28216
6 Thomas Miller Turkish Drafters 136 31475
7 Russell Cane Russells Russia 117 36066
8 Alistair Batchelor Adk's Eurotrash 106 37766
9 Michael Beesley Fawlty Footballers 96 38921
10 Andrew Stevens Robot's Draft 93 39218
11 Alistair Batchelor Fiso Undrafted Xi 87 39693
12 Jason Salt I'm Kraking One W 72 40333OVERALL LEAGUE

1 Bill Wilkins Drafty Furry Pants 393 55 14 333
1 Ross Nendick A Bitter Draught 393 48 15 333
3 Patrick Mulhall Padmole Draft Fiso 367 44 13 1090
4 Stephen Doyle Sted's Fiso Draft 331 37 16 4165
5 Michael Beesley Fawlty Footballers 327 51 14 4757
6 Thomas Miller Turkish Drafters 304 32 17 9435
7 Adrian Nelson Drafty Admirals 300 14 7 10503
8 Russell Cane Russells Russia 284 14 8 15269
9 Andrew Stevens Robot's Draft 275 41 13 18201
10 Alistair Batchelor Adk's Eurotrash 201 18 7 36458
11 Alistair Batchelor Fiso Undrafted Xi 87 0 3 44514
12 Jason Salt I'm Kraking One W 72 5 2 44632

Padmole28
Rossn27.5
Thebillfella 25.5
Sted19
Aknel18
Nathan15
Dixon11
Boltonboy10
ADK7
Robot4
Tacabala 0

World cup
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Drafters: Open to current season long drafters first then anyone else interested if any drop outs

1. Robot
2. Striker
3. Thebillfella
4. GeoffV
5. Spencer4
6. Workie-ticket
7. Nathan247
8. Streety
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.

Waiting list
1.

[robot]

Have opened a thread a bit on the early side to get people signed up for playing before they switch off after the last premier game and to give a bit of time to give thought on how the game should pan out:
There are many options/combinations, without going into much detail some options:

1. Normal draft then nothing.
2. Normal draft then free for all. (as euro 12 game, combined points total wins)
3. Normal draft then unique only changes till end.
4. Normal draft then limited unique through group stages then mini draft.
5. Normal draft then limited unique through group stages then free for all.
6. Normal draft then limited unique then mini draft split unique/star players free for all (as world 14 game).

Any mini draft would have to be done in 2 days with set times and would be very tight but possibly doable now we have sped up with the set times.

Thoughts everyone:

[thebillfella]

Option 6 worked ok last time so gets my vote.

[Vannie]

Drafters: Open to current season long drafters first then anyone else interested if any drop outs

1. Robot
2. Striker
3. Thebillfella
4. GeoffV
5. Spencer4
6. Workie-ticket
7. Nathan247
8. Streety
9. Vannie
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.

Waiting list
1.

[workie-ticket]

Option 6 went well in the world cup 2 years ago so happy to stick with that, although will go with the consensus

[Striker]

The few managers who have provided their view on the rules under which our TFF Euro Draft game should be run have supported the use of the rules which we devised for Euro 2014. Moi aussi, although it may be appropriate to tweak the rules here and there, it's up to you lot.

Below I've re-posted the rules from our World Cup game and so those wishing to play, please make any suggestions for improvements. I then suggest that these rules with any recommended changes are then posted in the opening slot of this thread which robot has reserved for them.

Obviously the dates need to be changed and my proposal is that we should close entry next Saturday and use next Saturday's National Lottery draw for determining the order of the first draft. We could then start drafting and finish the draft approximately one week before the tournament starts.

As regards the maximum of 12 teams, that is about the right number, although when all 15 managers are reasonably reliable, that number is manageable. (c.f. next post).

Another suggestion is that after everyone has submitted their lists of the (up to) five selections for transferring out of their teams and for their two "free choice" players prior to the knock out round, there is no need for us to submit lists regarding the other (up to) three players which we intend to bring in. I suggest that we in fact have a mini draft despite the short time available, as with limited time slots, we should be able to fit it in in time.

RULES

1. Snake style draft beginning on approximately Thursday May 29th. The order of the draft will be
based on the national lottery draw of Wednesday May 28th. For newcomers every manager, in a pre-determined order, selects a player of his choice who has not already been chosen by another manager. Once all managers have selected their first player, every manager then selects his second choice from the remaining players in reverse order to that of the first round of picks, and the order reverses every round.

2. There will be a maximum of 12 teams. The limit is intended to ensure that managers do not have to include total rubbish in their teams.

3. During the group phase managers will be able to make three transfers, they can transfer into their teams any players who have not yet been drafted. However any player introduced into their game by TFF after the conclusion of our draft will not be available to managers during the group phase.

4. At the end of the group phase every manager will be able to make up to 5 transfers. He will be able to drop up to five players of his own choice. He will also be able to transfer in two players regardless of how many other managers want those players. In addition he will be able to bring in three other undrafted players from those who no manager has already chosen or who he has thrown back into the “pot”.

Hence on June 22nd managers will PM robot or myself a list of 5 players who they wish to drop and two popular players who they wish to draft into their teams**.

On June 23rd robot will post one of his colourful team charts showing who everyone has removed from their teams.

On June 24th managers will then submit by PM their wish lists of undrafted players**. They may list up to 20 undrafted players. Undrafted players will then be allocated by the draft organiser using the snake draft principle in reverse order to that of the main initial draft. As a result most managers will have about 10 of their team.

On June 25th we will have a mini mini draft for managers to complete their teams. But as only makeweight players will be involved it won’t really matter if managers miss their turns and the whole thing should be completed in a day or so. As soon as a manager has a complete team he can make his transfers. However as the TFF budget is not increasing to £60 million until June 27th (from memory) managers will usually be making their transfers on that day.

5. During the knock out phase managers can make three more transfers of undrafted players.


** whichever of robot or myself who receives the PMs will previously have sent his own wish list to the other.

This means that although in two instances managers will have to send a PM within a designated 24 hr period or slightly more if necessary, no manager will need to be online at a specific time or to check if its his turn. In practice if a manager goes AWOL completely for the mini mini draft it is unlikely to affect his chances and when he does his transfers he simply keeps one of his existing players whose team has been eliminated.

Although these rules are now virtually finalised any comments would be welcome.

[Striker]

As mentioned above the ideal number for such a game is around 12, but if all managers are reliable up to 15 is fine. Given that all current managers meet this criterion, it would be great to play with all 15 if they are available. However if we are including new managers, I think that it should possibly be restricted to 12 managers.

Could the six managers who haven't yet signed up to the World Cup game please post whether or not they wish to play. If the total is less than 12, we could then throw open the game to a very few new managers so we get at least 12.

Also if anyone knows any other fiso-ite who they are sure would a good addition to the game, please PM robot or myself. (I know a few myself but they're more interested in multi-entering rather than in playing for fun. )

Drafters: Open to current season long drafters first then anyone else interested if any drop outs

1. Robot
2. Striker
3. Thebillfella
4. GeoffV
5. Spencer4
6. Workie-ticket
7. Nathan247
8. Streety
9. Vannie
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.

Waiting list
1.

Another suggestion to avoid confusion which arose once before is that in point 3, after the "conclusion" should be changed to after the
"start".

3. During the group phase managers will be able to make three transfers, they can transfer into their teams any players who have not yet been drafted. However any player introduced into their game by TFF after the conclusion of our draft will not be available to managers during the group phase.

[Spencer4]

Sorry chaps I'll have to drop out, I'm on my holidays from 27th May for a week. Good luck.

[robot]

Sorry chaps I'll have to drop out, I'm on my holidays from 27th May for a week. Good luck.

So am I but going to rely on wifi,the draft should run past our return dates so potentially only a few picks needed whilst away?

[thebillfella]

Is the draft start date Sunday 29 May or Thursday 26 May?

[robot]

Would be the 29th after the lottery on the Saturday or possibly a few days later as long as we can finish in plenty of time, as I'm away I can post but can't do the table of who's go who, so would either need someone else to do it, or start on the mon/tue/wed and by the time I'm back only a few rounds are gone and hopefully no double picking, but may leave it a bit risky regarding closeness to the start ?
The last draft we did took just over 7 days and kick off is Friday the 10th so we have to start somewhere between sun 29th and wed 1st, Can anyone else do the table? for a Sun start, if not will have to be Wed and will prob be ok till I'm back on Sat the 4th re double picks.

[Striker]

@robot. I'm happy to post the time slot schedules, but I think that we need your presence for the coloured charts, showing who has been selected to date, from quite early in the draft. So if I understand your holiday plan properly, we could start as late as Friday June 3rd and finish on Thursday June 9th, which is feasible when using time slots and would mean that you'd be posting from home very early in the draft.

We'd still use the National Lottery of Saturday May 28th, so that confirming the draft order wouldn't need to be rushed.

BTW - good holiday timing. I'm sure that Mrs robot wouldn't be too happy if you watched 3 matches a day while on holiday.

[robot]

I think friday 3rd may be pushing it a bit tight, really need a day at the end for chasing those forgetting to enter teams
It seems to go wrong with duplications if no table after about round 2/3 so how about start either wed night/thur morning?
Then I post a whos got who table sat night upon my return.
Spencer if you now only have to pick 2 or 3 players while on hol can you re join?

[robot]

Drafters as it stands,with a few to confirm if anyone is interested in potentially giving it a go add yourselves to the waiting list.

1. Robot
2. Striker
3. Thebillfella
4. GeoffV
5. Spencer4 ??? Does later start help
6. Workie-ticket
7. Nathan247
8. Streety
9. Vannie
10.nabby needs to confirm
11.sted needs to confirm
12.fergi222 needs to confirm
13.nffc needs to confirm
14.sibrown needs to confirm
15.rinky needs to confirm

Waiting list
1.

[thebillfella]

The strict time limits we used in this season's prem draft seemed to keep things ticking along pretty well I thought if there is a worry over how long the draft will take?

[rinky]

I'm in

Thanks for organising.

[robot]

Drafters as it stands,with a few to confirm if anyone is interested in potentially giving it a go add yourselves to the waiting list.

1. Robot
2. Striker
3. Thebillfella
4. GeoffV
5. Spencer4 ??? Does later start help
6. Workie-ticket
7. Nathan247
8. Streety
9. Vannie
10.rinky
11.sted needs to confirm
12.fergi222 needs to confirm
13.nffc needs to confirm
14.sibrown needs to confirm
15.

Waiting list
1.

[Spencer4]

I could make my first pick on the Friday afternoon I think, I suppose I could come up with a default list which could be used for a couple of drafts, so if an organizer is prepared to go like this I'd still like to play.

[Striker]

That's no problem Spencer, so welcome back.

Once we know how many people are playing we can determine the precise start time as playing with only 12 managers would cut the draft to only 4.5 days. In which case a Saturday morning start is feasible.

[robot]

I have amended Strikers World cup rules to fit around how it looks like the euro game will pan out and edited the first post.

Shout if anything looks wrong/ suggestions for improvements.

Does everyone think the gap between group and last 16 is big enough to;
Send me a pm of drops/choices and do a mini draft of up to 3 rounds.
Is dropping 5 the right number? should it be unlimited as most will keep at least 6 anyway?

Drafters as it stands,with a few to confirm if anyone is interested in potentially giving it a go add yourselves to slot 15/ waiting list.

Anyone new wishing to have a go the two most important things are a commitment to see the game through even if performing poorly and being able to be online "most of the time" but especially during your timed slot.
The key dates to be available are from approx 2nd to 10th June and then 22nd to 25th June.


1. Robot
2. Striker
3. Thebillfella
4. GeoffV
5. Spencer4
6. Workie-ticket
7. Nathan247
8. Streety
9. Vannie
10.rinky
11.sted needs to confirm
12.fergi222 needs to confirm
13.nffc needs to confirm
14.sibrown needs to confirm
15.

1. Waiting list.

[gaillimh]

hi Robot.
I will be watching every game and will be free as required.
Tell me where best set of rules is and I will absorb those

Please add me to the waiting list - gaillimh

[Rick Spangle]

Sounds interesting, I'd like to join the waiting list as well.

[Striker]

gaillimh and Rick Spangle.

I've sent you both PMs.

[Hogmeister]

Looks like I'm too late to the party, but I'll join the waiting list.

[Striker]

If we can fit you in Hogmeister, you're very welcome. I'm still awaiting responses from 3 of our regulars and unless all three are positive, you're in.

[thebillfella]

I have amended Strikers World cup rules to fit around how it looks like the euro game will pan out and edited the first post.

Shout if anything looks wrong/ suggestions for improvements.

Does everyone think the gap between group and last 16 is big enough to;
Send me a pm of drops/choices and do a mini draft of up to 3 rounds.
Is dropping 5 the right number? should it be unlimited as most will keep at least 6 anyway?

All seems fine to me, but given the amount of transfers we've been given I'd be happy to allow people more transfers (pre and post group stage - say up to 6 each) and more drops (again, say 6 for ease of memory?!) - but happy to go with the flow. Obviously, if we increase the number of drops it may mean the time for mini-draft may be tight.

[Striker]

Definitely no more than five drops between the Group and Knock Out phases due to the time constraint. But the number of transfers during the Group and Knock Out phases could be increased.

Personally I'd be in favour of retaining only three during the Group phase as in the first half of the comp when everyone is playing three matches managers should largely live or die based on their performance in the draft which is what this comp is all about.

But I'd certainly be open in principle to more transfers during the Knock Out phase when managers are losing players. However here there is a practical problem in that as countries are knocked out there will be a very small group of undrafted players available for transferring into one's team, and so I think that the value of extra transfers would be pretty limited.

Let's assume that on average manager has seven unique players in his team at the start of the knock out phase, and there are 20 players non unique players involved in the other 60 player slots (4 x 15 teams). This means that there would be 15x7+20=125 drafted players. So there'd only be the round of 16 before by definition there were no undrafted players available. There is of course the additional point that the more transfers the more time that robot would have to devote to his CPCs (coloured player charts).

Nevertheless, I'm open to persuasion.

[robot]

I'm easy either way, but increasing group and mini would seem a bit pointless as by increasing group the teams will be in a better state therefore no need to increase mini as no one would want/need to drop 6.
Also as striker says too many transfers takes a slight element away from the draft aspect.
3-5-3 did seem to work at the world cup so prob best to leave but not too fussed either way if a few have any other views differently.
We could potentially use the origional games calculation to account more heavily on the draft and the winner is combination of starting xi and overall on a 2 to 1ratio based on league position.? Thoughts?