TFF chit chat 30th and 31st January

[murf]

If in doubt, do nowt.

Or buy DCL....

[Sieben]

Chilwell being dropped is a bummer, wasn't expecting that after they got their first PL clean sheet in weeks the other day.

He was awful apparently against Wolves and subbed

[SPR]

If in doubt, do nowt.

Or buy DCL....

Hard to do not when it means playing with 10 though, lol.

[SPR]

I'm not against using VAR for real obvious howlers (e.g. sending off wrong player, ball going off pitch before goal, player wrongly given offside when they're behind the ball or the ball is played backwards). But the obsession with marginal offside calls is absolutely killing the product, as the authorities will discover when fans are brought back.

Feels to me the issue is with the offside rule to an extent. I like the day light rule although I'm sure there will be marginal calls there (feels less of an issue to me there though as attacker has already got the benefit of the doubt with the day light rule). VAR needs to be consistent and if you ignore marginals that are objectively wrong (assuming they are rightly picked up based on the rules) then you could have one goal stand, while another doesn't in exactly the same situation based on whether the linesman called it or not. That's fine for subjective decisions or where there's no VAR but not sure it's right for stuff that's objectively yes or no.

[Jamjack]

Wonder how Chelsea fans feel about Mr Tickles first 2 team selections. He is obviously starting again but based only on who he is putting on the pitch, (I’m not well placed to comment on formation / tactics) this doesn’t not look at all progressive to me.

[murf]

I'm not against using VAR for real obvious howlers (e.g. sending off wrong player, ball going off pitch before goal, player wrongly given offside when they're behind the ball or the ball is played backwards). But the obsession with marginal offside calls is absolutely killing the product, as the authorities will discover when fans are brought back.

Feels to me the issue is with the offside rule to an extent. I like the day light rule although I'm sure there will be marginal calls there (feels less of an issue to me there though as attacker has already got the benefit of the doubt with the day light rule). VAR needs to be consistent and if you ignore marginals that are objectively wrong (assuming they are rightly picked up based on the rules) then you could have one goal stand, while another doesn't in exactly the same situation based on whether the linesman called it or not. That's fine for subjective decisions or where there's no VAR but not sure it's right for stuff that's objectively yes or no.

The point is that it is NOT objectively yes or no because of the cumulative effects of all the potential inaccuracies in the VAR system. There is a significant, genuine margin of error that people seem to be ignoring and just believing 2 lines presented to them on a screen.

[happyhoppy]

I like the Dutch way. Far too logical and sensible to get the go ahead here.

[Jamjack]

I like the Dutch way. Far too logical and sensible to get the go ahead here.

But does that mean James, Chilwell and Pullisic (if we accept Havertz needs to build confidence back) can’t execute the style? They are faster and technically better than those that have started ahead IMO.

[Jamjack]

I like the Dutch way. Far too logical and sensible to get the go ahead here.

But does that mean James, Chilwell and Pullisic (if we accept Havertz needs to build confidence back) can’t execute the style? They are faster and technically better than those that have started ahead IMO.

One of the players I wouldnt start scores

[murf]

I've just launched the 2021 6 Nations Egg Chasing Predictions Competition, the 14th (!) year of it here on FISO.

Why not use half-time to enter

[SPR]

"Level" was changed to be onside a few years back to help attacking play. Ings was level. Son was level.

It made more goals possible and this is taking loads away. Rubbish. The Dutch system would work well for these:

https://www.sportbible.com/football/foo ... 20decision.

I like this.

[SPR]

I'm not against using VAR for real obvious howlers (e.g. sending off wrong player, ball going off pitch before goal, player wrongly given offside when they're behind the ball or the ball is played backwards). But the obsession with marginal offside calls is absolutely killing the product, as the authorities will discover when fans are brought back.

Feels to me the issue is with the offside rule to an extent. I like the day light rule although I'm sure there will be marginal calls there (feels less of an issue to me there though as attacker has already got the benefit of the doubt with the day light rule). VAR needs to be consistent and if you ignore marginals that are objectively wrong (assuming they are rightly picked up based on the rules) then you could have one goal stand, while another doesn't in exactly the same situation based on whether the linesman called it or not. That's fine for subjective decisions or where there's no VAR but not sure it's right for stuff that's objectively yes or no.

The point is that it is NOT objectively yes or no because of the cumulative effects of all the potential inaccuracies in the VAR system. There is a significant, genuine margin of error that people seem to be ignoring and just believing 2 lines presented to them on a screen.

If there are proven inaccuracies in the system then they need to deal with those. Have you got evidence for the inaccuracies?

[murf]

Nothing in life is 100% accurate. The drawing of lines horizontally and vertically, the selection of which frame to use, the placement of the lines against a player, the pixels in a picture, the selection of the t-shirt line on a player. All include potential inaccuracies which easily add up to more than the distance Ings was offside yesterday.

[Tom QC]

Nothing in life is 100% accurate. The drawing of lines horizontally and vertically, the selection of which frame to use, the placement of the lines against a player, the pixels in a picture, the selection of the t-shirt line on a player. All include potential inaccuracies which easily add up to more than the distance Ings was offside yesterday.

Add to that, crucially, the completely subjective determination of the split second the ball is deemed to have left the passing player's foot.

[murf]

Leicester tw@tter now using a video for team news so I can't post it. Justin starts. Perez up front
Wilfred Ndidi misses out due to an injury ... and is replaced by Nampalys Mendy.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1355863402384646144
Subs: Ward, Ricardo, Söyüncü, Amartey, Fuchs, Thomas, Choudhury, Ünder, Iheanacho.

One change to the side which defeated Newcastle on Tuesday, Pascal Struijk in for Diego Llorente

[Canaryfan]

Abraham off at half time for Pulisic

[buttonphobic]

Another striker bites the dust. 0.92% owned Wood

[SPR]

Nothing in life is 100% accurate. The drawing of lines horizontally and vertically, the selection of which frame to use, the placement of the lines against a player, the pixels in a picture, the selection of the t-shirt line on a player. All include potential inaccuracies which easily add up to more than the distance Ings was offside yesterday.

Add to that, crucially, the completely subjective determination of the split second the ball is deemed to have left the passing player's foot.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1488423

I think that will be very accurate. Lines on broadcast just look odd sometimes as per the link

Re when the ball left foot, link says cameras are synched to the frame and at 50 frames per second used.

[happyhoppy]

https://twitter.com/oddsbible/status/13 ... 37091?s=21

[buttonphobic]

So it’s looking like for anyone not decided on a Kane striker replacement yet, it’s Bamford, Rodrigo, Iheanacho, Firmino,Origi, Vinicius, Maupay and a couple of other Brighton players I can’t be bothered to type.

[Tom QC]

I like the Dutch way. Far too logical and sensible to get the go ahead here.

But does that mean James, Chilwell and Pullisic (if we accept Havertz needs to build confidence back) can’t execute the style? They are faster and technically better than those that have started ahead IMO.

One of the players I wouldnt start scores

As Meatloaf sang, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

[murf]

Nothing in life is 100% accurate. The drawing of lines horizontally and vertically, the selection of which frame to use, the placement of the lines against a player, the pixels in a picture, the selection of the t-shirt line on a player. All include potential inaccuracies which easily add up to more than the distance Ings was offside yesterday.

Add to that, crucially, the completely subjective determination of the split second the ball is deemed to have left the passing player's foot.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1488423

I think that will be very accurate. Lines on broadcast just look odd sometimes as per the link

Re when the ball left foot, link says cameras are synched to the frame and at 50 frames per second used.

In 1/50 of a second someone sprinting will move 20cm. Theoretically defender could move 20cm the opposite way for a potential inaccuracy of 40cm... and that is without body movement, eg pumping your arm forward relative to your core.

[gio]

I've put Werner in my best team... let's see

It WAS your best team

I had the same 'wrong' feeling as when I put Jesus or Mahrez to any team...

[js234]

Nothing in life is 100% accurate. The drawing of lines horizontally and vertically, the selection of which frame to use, the placement of the lines against a player, the pixels in a picture, the selection of the t-shirt line on a player. All include potential inaccuracies which easily add up to more than the distance Ings was offside yesterday.

Add to that, crucially, the completely subjective determination of the split second the ball is deemed to have left the passing player's foot.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1488423

I think that will be very accurate. Lines on broadcast just look odd sometimes as per the link

Re when the ball left foot, link says cameras are synched to the frame and at 50 frames per second used.

Pretty sure that the sky commentator passed a remark about the black armband coming into play for the Ings decision which if is the case then we need to give up and start watching a different sport.

[ChaffMyJive]

I've put Werner in my best team... let's see

It WAS your best team

I had the same 'wrong' feeling as when I put Jesus or Mahrez to any team...

At least you can console yourself that his 2 points matches just about any other striker you could have chosen so far.

[happyhoppy]

Barnes (Maddison) the new Kane/Son combo.
Dallas (Bamford)

2 nice goals.

[ChaffMyJive]

Castagne (slight groin) off. Pereira on.

[murf]

Nothing in life is 100% accurate. The drawing of lines horizontally and vertically, the selection of which frame to use, the placement of the lines against a player, the pixels in a picture, the selection of the t-shirt line on a player. All include potential inaccuracies which easily add up to more than the distance Ings was offside yesterday.

Add to that, crucially, the completely subjective determination of the split second the ball is deemed to have left the passing player's foot.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1488423

I think that will be very accurate. Lines on broadcast just look odd sometimes as per the link

Re when the ball left foot, link says cameras are synched to the frame and at 50 frames per second used.

Pretty sure that the sky commentator passed a remark about the black armband coming into play for the Ings decision which if is the case then we need to give up and start watching a different sport.

They also made a 'joke' about everyone wearing tank tops next year. It did seem that the line was moved as exactly as possible to Ings' actual shirt/armband line rather than the theoretical t-shirt line.

[happyhoppy]

Bamford Never finished like that when he was in my teams

[murf]

Bamford Never finished like that when he was in my teams

I've still got him one team but not a particularly good one....