Joe Hart is a terrible goalkeeper on current form (as outlined by his last rare performance for West Ham). Shouldn't be anywhere near the squad. If you don't play for your club, you shouldn't play for your country. The same goes for Delph, Lallana, Wellbeck etc
It’s so difficult though, when the alternatives playing regularly are basically Championship calibre players. Would you really want to face a top quality opponent with Glenn Murray for example as your backup striker, a journeyman player who it was said not so long ago that Brighton would have to replace to stand any chance of staying up, or someone like Welbeck who at least has a reasonable track record at the top level for clubs and country over some years?gazwood wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 09:57Joe Hart is a terrible goalkeeper on current form (as outlined by his last rare performance for West Ham). Shouldn't be anywhere near the squad. If you don't play for your club, you shouldn't play for your country. The same goes for Delph, Lallana, Wellbeck etc
Murray or Welbeck? Yawn, but given the argument you've provided maybe I'd agree with Welbeckforestfan wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 11:21It’s so difficult though, when the alternatives playing regularly are basically Championship calibre players. Would you really want to face a top quality opponent with Glenn Murray for example as your backup striker, a journeyman player who it was said not so long ago that Brighton would have to replace to stand any chance of staying up, or someone like Welbeck who at least has a reasonable track record at the top level for clubs and country over some years?gazwood wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 09:57Joe Hart is a terrible goalkeeper on current form (as outlined by his last rare performance for West Ham). Shouldn't be anywhere near the squad. If you don't play for your club, you shouldn't play for your country. The same goes for Delph, Lallana, Wellbeck etc
Ideally you wouldn’t pick players not getting a regular game and I don’t like “big club bias” at all, but the options are so limited, as there’s so much mediocrity below the big six. Most countries have the same problem these days.
Yep I was suprised by that, played from the back and second we had half long spell of possestion .At start I thought england have so many counter attacking players with pace that the prem league buys players from abroad to help them keep the ball better.
Im afraid I disagree. He's going to learn and develop a lot more playing as he is in a very decent Fulham team than he would with but part appearances for the likes of West Ham, Stoke and Southampton and he deserves to be commended for that. And if you're going to go down that route then Southgate should tell the likes of the previously mentioned Delph Lallana etc to also move in order to get first team football, how can you judge them on cameo sub and meaningless Cup games?forestfan wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 15:03 Well, someone like Sessegnon would be a brave move. But most likely, a Walcott 2006.
If Southgate liked the look of him for this summer, he should have told him to get a PL move in January. You can’t judge anyone’s international prospects from second tier football. Burton Albion’s defence isn’t quite on a par with Belgium’s.
We’ve got fewer top class players, people playing regularly and in form, than I can ever remember.
Delph is injured isn't he ? Got red card then got injuryedgazwood wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 15:38Im afraid I disagree. He's going to learn and develop a lot more playing as he is in a very decent Fulham team than he would with but part appearances for the likes of West Ham, Stoke and Southampton and he deserves to be commended for that. And if you're going to go down that route then Southgate should tell the likes of the previously mentioned Delph Lallana etc to also move in order to get first team football, how can you judge them on cameo sub and meaningless Cup games?forestfan wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 15:03 Well, someone like Sessegnon would be a brave move. But most likely, a Walcott 2006.
If Southgate liked the look of him for this summer, he should have told him to get a PL move in January. You can’t judge anyone’s international prospects from second tier football. Burton Albion’s defence isn’t quite on a par with Belgium’s.
Not every team in the championship are Burton Albion. John Terry is still and will be better than half the centre backs that will appear at the World Cup and he had the better of him all game earlier this month.
Off the top of my head....
G Neville v Walker - perhaps a close call, different types of RB
Kind of proving my point. Delph is always injured but yet gets selected for his country despite never playing and then as you say Lallana has just got back from injury but is deemed to have performed well enough to have earnt a call up to the national side. A better selection than someone like Shelvey at the current time. Never.buu1333 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 17:27Delph is injured isn't he ? Got red card then got injuryedgazwood wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 15:38Im afraid I disagree. He's going to learn and develop a lot more playing as he is in a very decent Fulham team than he would with but part appearances for the likes of West Ham, Stoke and Southampton and he deserves to be commended for that. And if you're going to go down that route then Southgate should tell the likes of the previously mentioned Delph Lallana etc to also move in order to get first team football, how can you judge them on cameo sub and meaningless Cup games?forestfan wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 15:03 Well, someone like Sessegnon would be a brave move. But most likely, a Walcott 2006.
If Southgate liked the look of him for this summer, he should have told him to get a PL move in January. You can’t judge anyone’s international prospects from second tier football. Burton Albion’s defence isn’t quite on a par with Belgium’s.
Not every team in the championship are Burton Albion. John Terry is still and will be better than half the centre backs that will appear at the World Cup and he had the better of him all game earlier this month.
And has Lallana just got back from injury too ?
Totally agreeforestfan wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 17:57G Neville v Walker - perhaps a close call, different types of RB
Cashley v Rose/Bertrand/Shaw - no contest, the former Mr Tweedy walks it.
Sol/Rio/Terry/Ledley v any current CB - again, no contest, none of today’s candidates would make the 23.
Beckham/Lampard/Gerrard/Scholes v current midfield options - again, nobody remotely in same class these days. Dier/Henderson would perhaps push Nicky Butt for a squad place.
Keepers - weak in both generations, call it a draw.
Kane/Sterling v peak Owen/young Rooney - again, different types of forward players, maybe about even.
Delph was first choice RB for city this season he just got injuryed once and still is out a little longer . By that logic kane is out for england. It's like brazil not putting in jesus from man city in beacuse of injury and playing a bit less cos of it . Southgate put walker in def last night beacuse of chemisty.Shelvey has not played much for england or big games for club, its too soon nowgazwood wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 18:39Kind of proving my point. Delph is always injured but yet gets selected for his country despite never playing and then as you say Lallana has just got back from injury but is deemed to have performed well enough to have earnt a call up to the national side. A better selection than someone like Shelvey at the current time. Never.buu1333 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 17:27Delph is injured isn't he ? Got red card then got injuryedgazwood wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 15:38Im afraid I disagree. He's going to learn and develop a lot more playing as he is in a very decent Fulham team than he would with but part appearances for the likes of West Ham, Stoke and Southampton and he deserves to be commended for that. And if you're going to go down that route then Southgate should tell the likes of the previously mentioned Delph Lallana etc to also move in order to get first team football, how can you judge them on cameo sub and meaningless Cup games?forestfan wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 15:03 Well, someone like Sessegnon would be a brave move. But most likely, a Walcott 2006.
If Southgate liked the look of him for this summer, he should have told him to get a PL move in January. You can’t judge anyone’s international prospects from second tier football. Burton Albion’s defence isn’t quite on a par with Belgium’s.
Not every team in the championship are Burton Albion. John Terry is still and will be better than half the centre backs that will appear at the World Cup and he had the better of him all game earlier this month.
And has Lallana just got back from injury too ?
