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Qatar cleared of corruption... but England criticised for links to Jack Warner :roll:

Come on Mr Dyke, get us out of this farce. The Premier League can stand on its own two feet and I'd rather be run by Abramovich, Mansour and the Glazers than Blatter and co. We wouldn't even really miss having an England team at the moment. We invented this game, now let's take our ball home. If the Germans and Spanish see sense and follow us then FIFA will have nowhere to go.

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This could be fun....

The American lawyer who ran the investigation says the 42-page report issued by FIFA earlier on Thursday "contains numerous materially incomplete and erroneous representations of the facts and conclusions"

You couldn't make it up. What's that? Oh, they did........

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30037729" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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murf wrote:This could be fun....

The American lawyer who ran the investigation says the 42-page report issued by FIFA earlier on Thursday "contains numerous materially incomplete and erroneous representations of the facts and conclusions"

You couldn't make it up. What's that? Oh, they did........

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30037729" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He intends to appeal to the FIFA Appeals Committee, i can tell you the result of that appeal already.

I see one of the MPs has already hit out at FIFA calling it a whitewash and FIFA investigating themselves.

http://m.skysports.com/article/sports//9562373" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

MP Damian Collins believes the FIFA ethics committee report which cleared Qatar of any wrongdoing in the bid to host the 2022 World Cup report is flawed. Collins, who has campaigned for FIFA reform and in 2011 used Parliamentary privilege to make allegations that bribes helped secure Qatar the tournament, said those claims remained unanswered.

Former New York attorney Michael Garcia has spent a year looking into the allegations before submitting his report to FIFA. "It is a whitewash. FIFA has investigated itself and not surprisingly found itself not guilty,” Collins said. “The truth remains that the serious allegations of bribery, of payments from bidding countries to senior FIFA executives, that’s never properly been investigated by FIFA. The truth is they just don’t know and yet they are prepared to say they are not guilty, there’s no problem here.”

Collins insists the investigation has not been thorough, having failed to interview former president of the Asian Football Confederation Mohamed bin Hammam, who is at the centre of the allegations, or even made a trip to Russia to look into their bid. While FIFA claim no corruption has taken place with the Qatar or Russia bids, it did find fault with the tender made by the Football Association for the 2018 World Cup.

Collins believes FIFA has used that finding to deflect from serious allegations elsewhere. “I think this is a massive smokescreen to deflect our attention from the main issues, which was the Qatar bid and the Russia bid. They didn’t interview Mohamed bin Hammam, who is the man at the heart of the Qatar bid, a man banned from football because of corruption charges,” Collins said. “They didn’t even visit Russia, this was a very limited enquiry and they’ve not been able to request detailed bank statements, requests for documents to test the serious allegations of bribery and corruption that were made. Instead they chose to pick up on a few pieces from the England bid. “Now England must answer for that, but the meat of this was the Qatar and Russia World Cup and they’ve simply not investigated it properly.

“The Serious Fraud Office have reiterated to me that they will act if it’s clear they have jurisdiction to act, so if coming out of the Garcia Report there is clear evidence of meetings that took place within their jurisdiction which they could investigate, I hope they follow up on that. “I believe that FIFA should make the full Garcia Report public. If they won’t publish it in full then they should certainly share it with law enforcement agencies. The SFO I believe should look into this and of course the FBI in America already are.”

Collins is adamant FIFA president Sepp Blatter has a case to answer - and is not prepared to let the matter rest. “Well it can’t be it," he added. "I think we should all be really angry about what FIFA have done. They way they’ve gone about this, the way they are trying to con people with this report. They should publish the whole report. "There are people I know on the Executive Committee of FIFA who are arguing for that and I think Sepp Blatter is blocking it personally, people can draw their own conclusions to why that may be, but FIFA must publish the report in full. “I believe if they don’t have the power or the will to fully investigate the bribery allegations, whether very large sums of money were paid into the bank accounts of FIFA officials, they should hand it over to the Fraud Office or the FBI, who do have the judicial power to do that.

Meanwhile, former FA Chief Executive Mark Palios was also sceptical of the report, and claims that Russia has misplaced computers that may contain vital evidence. Palios said: “It’s difficult with any sporting bodies investigation to get to the evidence. As a consequence it’s very difficult to see and judge the finding of this if for example one of the main bidders has trashed all the computers upon which they have collated the information that surrounded their bid. “If, as one would expect, the FA has complied with the requirements of the investigation, it’s note a level playing field in terms of making a judgement call.”

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Some brief thoughts re the current fiasco -

As most of the international federations benefit financially from FIFA, at least those outside europe, there is vested interest not to rock the boat. Indeed Blatter's support outside UEFA remains strong, and he'll probably remain in charge, ceteris paribus. Talk today of the home nations boycotting or even leaving FIFA, but can't see that getting much support from other nations. But I can foresee three possible scenarios which might force FIFA to change, reform, back down, have another vote on 2018 and 2022 hosting. Haven't seen all of these mentioned elsewhere yet, either here or in the press, so i'll get my two pennyworth in first ...

a) pressure from swiss authorities. No doubt switzerland benefits in some way from taxes and income derived from having a large HQ on its soil, but i'd also imagine that FIFA gets some tax breaks as well. But if laws are being broken, they are under swiss jurisdiction - and this whole affair must be causing some embarrassment. An unlikely scenario perhaps, but not impossible that FIFA would be made to up sticks and relocate - am sure that the cayman islands or perhaps UAE would be accommodating to their needs. There is precedent for a sporting body to move in such a way; the ICC shifted base to dubai ten or so years ago, partly for political reasons (the increasing influence of asian nations) and partly to avoid british corporation tax.

b) pressure from the FBI, as suggested in the previous post. I can't see FIFA being phased by the SFO, indeed might even use it as an excuse to bar british associations for having the nerve to question FIFA's right to do whatever it likes. Interest from american legal authorities would be a different matter however; the US market and tv rights are far too important to be dismissed (another reason why january/february 2022 is an unlikely date for world cup rescheduling, as there would be a clash with the superbowl as well as the winter olympics).

c) pressure from major sponsors. By far the most likely route surely - sponsors already "expressed concern" back in july 2011, and all the major sponsors (except perhaps emirates) might benefit commercially if both 2018 and 2022 were held in other territories. But crucially they won't want to be associated with a morally corrupt regime. Bad for business.

Anyway, am sure the agenda will change again over the next few days if not hours, stranger things than any of the above can happen; at the time of writing, equatorial guinea has just been announced as host of the ACN in just a few weeks time, which is a pretty strange thing. So it goes.

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So FIFA cleared Qatar but the man who led FIFA's technical bid inspections into the 2018 and 2022 World Cups is under investigation by Fifa for allegedly breaching its code of ethics. What are they specifically investigating??? His links with a Qatari sporting academy....

Any coincidence that the guy being investigated is considering standing against Sepp Blatter in next year's Fifa presidential election.....?


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Almost no one cares bar England.

We will not break away, no one else would break away.

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Tricky Tree wrote:Almost no one cares bar England.

We will not break away, no one else would break away.
Sponsors care (about being tarred by association). Our only hope.....

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A well respected Daily Mail journalist made reference to this classic movie final scene as how the whole sorry saga has concluded for the FA. He is spot on

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Tricky Tree wrote:Almost no one cares bar England.

We will not break away, no one else would break away.
We don't need anyone else do we? As I said, the Premier League is a global brand. Anyway, the big clubs of Europe would surely jump at the chance to escape the clutches of Blatter and Platini and form Europe's answer to the NFL.

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We would not be in the World Cup.

No one would follow...no one. Most gain out of FIFA and others have recently hosted or won it, why would they leave?

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murf wrote:
Tricky Tree wrote:Almost no one cares bar England.

We will not break away, no one else would break away.
Sponsors care (about being tarred by association). Our only hope.....
Correct

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Tricky Tree wrote:We would not be in the World Cup.

No one would follow...no one. Most gain out of FIFA and others have recently hosted or won it, why would they leave?
Because if the best players were in the Premier League which was outside the jurisdiction of FIFA, they wouldn't be able to play in the World Cup anyway. And the clubs would jump at the opportunity to kill off international football. If they wanted out then the national associations would have no power whatsoever. It's not cricket or rugby where the clubs largely exist to serve the international game.

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forestfan wrote:
Tricky Tree wrote:We would not be in the World Cup.

No one would follow...no one. Most gain out of FIFA and others have recently hosted or won it, why would they leave?
Because if the best players were in the Premier League which was outside the jurisdiction of FIFA, they wouldn't be able to play in the World Cup anyway. And the clubs would jump at the opportunity to kill off international football. If they wanted out then the national associations would have no power whatsoever. It's not cricket or rugby where the clubs largely exist to serve the international game.
Really? You got a link for that? (The bit about players not being able to play for their country if they play football in England) not heard that

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If that was the case many international players wouldn't come here and our global appeal would reduce (also because there would be nobody in it who worldwide fans saw in the WC).

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Tricky Tree wrote:We would not be in the World Cup.

No one would follow...no one. Most gain out of FIFA and others have recently hosted or won it, why would they leave?
Because if the best players were in the Premier League which was outside the jurisdiction of FIFA, they wouldn't be able to play in the World Cup anyway. And the clubs would jump at the opportunity to kill off international football. If they wanted out then the national associations would have no power whatsoever. It's not cricket or rugby where the clubs largely exist to serve the international game.
Really? You got a link for that? (The bit about players not being able to play for their country if they play football in England) not heard that
Well it's obvious, anyone who played "non-FIFA" football would be instantly banned if there was a split. No organisation would let their players compete in a rival one.

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murf wrote:If that was the case many international players wouldn't come here and our global appeal would reduce (also because there would be nobody in it who worldwide fans saw in the WC).
Money talks louder than anything else, as long as we've got the multi-billionaire owners the English game holds all the aces. Apart from the weather and Real and Barca's state-funded debt/tax breaks.

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forestfan wrote:
Tricky Tree wrote:
forestfan wrote:
Tricky Tree wrote:We would not be in the World Cup.

No one would follow...no one. Most gain out of FIFA and others have recently hosted or won it, why would they leave?
Because if the best players were in the Premier League which was outside the jurisdiction of FIFA, they wouldn't be able to play in the World Cup anyway. And the clubs would jump at the opportunity to kill off international football. If they wanted out then the national associations would have no power whatsoever. It's not cricket or rugby where the clubs largely exist to serve the international game.
Really? You got a link for that? (The bit about players not being able to play for their country if they play football in England) not heard that
Well it's obvious, anyone who played "non-FIFA" football would be instantly banned if there was a split. No organisation would let their players compete in a rival one.
Totally disagree, I thought when you said the above it was based on fact not supposition.

How come Suarez was going to play in a non FIFA country during his ban at one point, would he not then have been banned by FIFA from biting for Uruguay?

Their countries are still affiliated with FIFA

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I'm talking about a situation where England is not affiliated with FIFA or UEFA, it effectively becomes a rebel tournament or rival code of the sport.

Darts players can't compete in both organisations, cricketers who played in the initial rebel Indian league were banned from official competition, rugby union and league were kept clearly separate for many years.

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Why would we split from uefa?

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Well, UEFA is a member confederation of FIFA isn't it? :?

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Several days after the initial reaction and I get the distinct impression that most people have moved on. Someone said earlier that it's only really England that feels so aggrieved and I wonder if that is indeed the case. Either way, as with Blatter getting a rival investigated for corruption, the tainting of the FA is a clear FIFA tactic to deflect attention and, sadly, it seems to be working...

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DrBunker wrote:Several days after the initial reaction and I get the distinct impression that most people have moved on. Someone said earlier that it's only really England that feels so aggrieved and I wonder if that is indeed the case. Either way, as with Blatter getting a rival investigated for corruption, the tainting of the FA is a clear FIFA tactic to deflect attention and, sadly, it seems to be working...
The issue is that England is being singled out. It's our game, we were nice enough to allow the rest of the world to play it, and now they're not only better at it than us but most of them seem determined to put the boot in at administrative level. We're never going to win the World Cup, we're never going to host it and that's just not acceptable... and when the last Blatter sham re-election took place only Scotland stood by the FA, even Wales and Northern Ireland didn't support us FFS. Let's reclaim our game. The Yanks had the right idea in inventing their own sports that nobody beats them at.

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http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... y-football" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

... maybe not just england who are annoyed after all (would also remind that both australia and USA have previously threatened legal action re the 2022 vote)?

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Not having much interest in international football means I can happily ignore the utterly corrupt UEFA

Sadly my preferred sport of F1 has an equally corrupt regime.

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Mystery wrote:Not having much interest in international football means I can happily ignore the utterly corrupt UEFA

Sadly my preferred sport of F1 has an equally corrupt regime.
Being a massive test cricket fan isn't much better. :(

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Spinynorman wrote:
Mystery wrote:Not having much interest in international football means I can happily ignore the utterly corrupt UEFA

Sadly my preferred sport of F1 has an equally corrupt regime.
Being a massive test cricket fan isn't much better. :(
Indeed :(

Do rugby and tennis have god governing bodies, don't hear much from these? If so, can we have their leaders.

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This is a great read and sums it up nicely, only major sponsors pulling out can realistically make a difference.

All so depressing especially when you consider the long time, even if not so much now, heir apparent to Blatter is the Qatar supporting technophobe Michel Platini. Out of the frying pan and into the fire if he ever got it.

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liquidfootball2 wrote:
This is a great read and sums it up nicely, only major sponsors pulling out can realistically make a difference.

All so depressing especially when you consider the long time, even if not so much now, heir apparent to Blatter is the Qatar supporting technophobe Michel Platini. Out of the frying pan and into the fire if he ever got it.

Major sponsors will support ( or at least ignore it) the corruption as FIFA earns them a lot of money. I imagine they are also complicit in the corruption.

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When it's put like that it seems unbelievable that it's allowed to continue; billion dollar accounts, tax breaks, cash in hand. Such overt corruption.

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