Tacalabala wrote:I'm still struggling to understand exactly why all the games can't be played at night, which I'm led to believe is far easier to deal with? Also, people are acting as though nobody in Qatar does anything during the day, it's ridiculous.
Because TV companies wouldn't like it and they can upset teams and players all they like but there's no way they'll upset TV.Tacalabala wrote:I'm still struggling to understand exactly why all the games can't be played at night, which I'm led to believe is far easier to deal with? Also, people are acting as though nobody in Qatar does anything during the day, it's ridiculous.
They we too busy looking at the size of the backhanders they were gettingSurprised wrote:Without wanting to tag FIFA as useless shits, didn't they know it was hot in Qatar before the awarded the World Cup? It can't be as though they have just realised.
But surely the European broadcasters would prefer all the games to be at night in Qatar, remembering that Qatar is an hour ahead of Europe? I've had a look, and the sun sets in Doha before 18:30 through June. Why aren't KO times of 18:30, 20:45 and 23:15 in Qatar viable?Mystery wrote:Because TV companies wouldn't like it and they can upset teams and players all they like but there's no way they'll upset TV.Tacalabala wrote:I'm still struggling to understand exactly why all the games can't be played at night, which I'm led to believe is far easier to deal with? Also, people are acting as though nobody in Qatar does anything during the day, it's ridiculous.
I wonder if FIFA will be sneaky and sue Qatar for saying/lying it would be OK to play in summer and now they have proved it isn't.....blahblah wrote:FIFA can only be accused of allowing the bid, surely.
It doesn't apparently....Groomyd wrote:The clause in the bid says it will be played in June/July "in principle"
Blatter has been keen to head off any idea of legal action by highlighting this
[/humour] Based on the links you posted in the OP there's no scope for them to do that as the heat was always factored in, hence why the Qataris are (pretending to be) annoyed at the idea of moving it.murf wrote:I wonder if FIFA will be sneaky and sue Qatar for saying/lying it would be OK to play in summer and now they have proved it isn't.....blahblah wrote:FIFA can only be accused of allowing the bid, surely.
DrBunker wrote:[/humour] Based on the links you posted in the OP there's no scope for them to do that as the heat was always factored in, hence why the Qataris are (pretending to be) annoyed at the idea of moving it.murf wrote:I wonder if FIFA will be sneaky and sue Qatar for saying/lying it would be OK to play in summer and now they have proved it isn't.....blahblah wrote:FIFA can only be accused of allowing the bid, surely.
Alternatively this is a very clever ploy by FIFA - take backhanders for awarding the games to Qatar and then sue them for lying about the heat for a little more cash.
They knew that, that's the point. Hence why their bid included air conditioned facilities.Surprised wrote:Although a quick google search by FIFA would have told them how hot it can get in Quatar.
If it is moved then would FIFA delegates have to repay the huge bribes they got?
Clashing with the Winter Olympics and the gridiron season... not to mention CL and European leagues... or opening them up to legal challenges from the losing bidders as the tender docs said it had to be in the summerblahblah wrote:It will be in Qatar, but it will be moved to January\February - imho.
I'm getting more hard line on this by the week - it was Qatar that said they could host this is the summer, it was Qatar that said they could build air con stadium. They should be made to do exactly what they said they would do. If they can't deliver on their big promises, surely FIFA would have the legal right to take away the tournament from them.DrBunker wrote:They knew that, that's the point. Hence why their bid included air conditioned facilities.Surprised wrote:Although a quick google search by FIFA would have told them how hot it can get in Quatar.
If it is moved then would FIFA delegates have to repay the huge bribes they got?
I agree perhaps that was why they awarded the bid so early, so if there was a problem it could be given to someone else, and this winter issue as reared its ugly head because the Qataris believed they can get/bribe people on side and thus save them a fortune in building new stadiumsTacalabala wrote:I'm getting more hard line on this by the week - it was Qatar that said they could host this is the summer, it was Qatar that said they could build air con stadium. They should be made to do exactly what they said they would do. If they can't deliver on their big promises, surely FIFA would have the legal right to take away the tournament from them.DrBunker wrote:They knew that, that's the point. Hence why their bid included air conditioned facilities.Surprised wrote:Although a quick google search by FIFA would have told them how hot it can get in Quatar.
If it is moved then would FIFA delegates have to repay the huge bribes they got?
Alcohol is available apparently (although I don't think they exactly have a pub on every corner) - I saw the Qatari ambassador bloke being interviewed at the weekend as part of their "everything will be fine" charm offensive. They are not the ones looking to move it (or so they say on the surface...)blahblah wrote:Indeed, but FIFA are now saying that it will be too hot (50C) for the "fans": I have forgotten what happened about alcohol, but Qatar is dry? Or was that just a myth?
I think this is the only bit they're exposed to. Moving the tournament would surely make any previous tender agreement null and void and therefore require a secondary period of bribes, hotel stays and backhanders*.murf wrote:opening them up to legal challenges from the losing bidders as the tender docs said it had to be in the summer
I'm pretty hard line too as previously mentioned but I don't know what was said about the fans during the original tender process. FIFA seem to have alighted on this medical issue as a nice way of bypassing the criticism about the timing. The playing/training conditions were clearly discussed at the time and I've heard nothing to suggest that this would be an issue.Tacalabala wrote:I'm getting more hard line on this by the week - it was Qatar that said they could host this is the summer, it was Qatar that said they could build air con stadium. They should be made to do exactly what they said they would do. If they can't deliver on their big promises, surely FIFA would have the legal right to take away the tournament from them.DrBunker wrote:They knew that, that's the point. Hence why their bid included air conditioned facilities.Surprised wrote:Although a quick google search by FIFA would have told them how hot it can get in Quatar.
If it is moved then would FIFA delegates have to repay the huge bribes they got?
Alcohol is fine so everything will be ok. Unless you're gay* or an immigrant helping to build the facilities:murf wrote:Alcohol is available apparently (although I don't think they exactly have a pub on every corner) - I saw the Qatari ambassador bloke being interviewed at the weekend as part of their "everything will be fine" charm offensive. They are not the ones looking to move it (or so they say on the surface...)blahblah wrote:Indeed, but FIFA are now saying that it will be too hot (50C) for the "fans": I have forgotten what happened about alcohol, but Qatar is dry? Or was that just a myth?
And so it begins...DrBunker wrote:I think this is the only bit they're exposed to.murf wrote:opening them up to legal challenges from the losing bidders as the tender docs said it had to be in the summer
The problem being, of course, is that it is utter crock. I very much doubt residents of Qatar hide in the freezers during the day. I'm not saying it won't be hot for you're average European and North American, but they need not insult our intelligence. If the cost of the air con technology is the real issue, why don't they just come out with it?DrBunker wrote:I think this is the only bit they're exposed to. Moving the tournament would surely make any previous tender agreement null and void and therefore require a secondary period of bribes, hotel stays and backhanders*.murf wrote:opening them up to legal challenges from the losing bidders as the tender docs said it had to be in the summer
*my opinion and not that of FISO or its owners/operators
I'm pretty hard line too as previously mentioned but I don't know what was said about the fans during the original tender process. FIFA seem to have alighted on this medical issue as a nice way of bypassing the criticism about the timing. The playing/training conditions were clearly discussed at the time and I've heard nothing to suggest that this would be an issue.Tacalabala wrote:I'm getting more hard line on this by the week - it was Qatar that said they could host this is the summer, it was Qatar that said they could build air con stadium. They should be made to do exactly what they said they would do. If they can't deliver on their big promises, surely FIFA would have the legal right to take away the tournament from them.DrBunker wrote:They knew that, that's the point. Hence why their bid included air conditioned facilities.Surprised wrote:Although a quick google search by FIFA would have told them how hot it can get in Quatar.
If it is moved then would FIFA delegates have to repay the huge bribes they got?
Once its moved, it will set a precedent, at mo it costs the big hitters in European game fair amount as they cant do there commercial games, that each season bring in more and more, a winter break is already in place in most of the relevant leagues and that would suit the Barcas, Reals Bayarn etc clubs very nicely thank you. Would think that most of the TV companies could live with it as well.blahblah wrote:The inevitable is another step closer...