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sleuth wrote:
Quiet right too thats eff scandelous pricing.
Category A Category B Category C
Main Stand, Centenary Stand, Paddock Enclosure & Anfield Road £48.00 £44.00 £42.00

Centre Lower £68.50 £39 £27.50 (have used highest price as its more relevant to Dots post)

As you can see the spread at Afc far greater than at Pool, so dont think we are alone in stinging fans, Afc fans get charged more than home fans and just about all other in away games, recent Swans Cup game good example of that.
Of cause Dot is right in saying its to high but its not just us , as pool pricing cat C games at that price in my view as bad as our charging amount he objects to

Must admit to seeing humor in City fans complaining about finance in football

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Two upper tier Man. City tickets on offer face value, £126 each. :shock: (scroll down a bit)

Good luck trying to get rid of them for a tv game.

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Mark1886 wrote:Two upper tier Man. City tickets on offer face value, £126 each. :shock: (scroll down a bit)

Good luck trying to get rid of them for a tv game.

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Very interesting take on it, thanks for posting. Know should not look at it as I do, but without owners money it would be a cat B game.
The prices have to come down, but what dont like is selective take on it, by both fans and media. Yes we charge far to much but we are not alone and until all clubs are looked at in same way it wont change.

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murf wrote: No it isn't. A Focus might be good for what it is or even great value for money but it could never be "a great car".
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Ok - The seats for £40 are way better than the seats at Highbury, the rise between each is such that the are no obscured views at all, they are comfortable and you have rapid access to the bar and toilets. The view is the match is great.

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mikeg13 wrote: The prices have to come down, but what dont like is selective take on it, by both fans and media. Yes we charge far to much but we are not alone and until all clubs are looked at in same way it wont change.
What he said

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Groomyd wrote:The seats for £40 are way better than the seats at Highbury, the rise between each is such that the are no obscured views at all, they are comfortable and you have rapid access to the bar and toilets. The view is the match is great.
So what is it that is so much better for the other seats that they merit the much higher prices?

I've not sat at many matches (old school = standing) but the merits of a high up or low down seat or ends versus sides are arguable aren't they? Different perspectives but advantages and disadvantages to both. Personally I'd rather be in the bottom half but thats about it.

We aren't talking about hospitality suites etc are we???

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First point, concerning ticketing prices, City have a game at QPR coming up, the visitors seats cost £55/50, £5 off for restricted view. So comparing a ramshackle ground with restricted views with the Emirates, with clear views from all angles, then £7 isn't too bad. Still overall too expensive, but that is another issue.
Secondly, if you pay for the best seats at Emirates, upwards of £65 depending on category you will be able to sit comfortably, only rising when a home goal is scored, try doing it at corners, free kicks, or break away attacks and you will be told in no uncertain terms to sit down.
However, I know from experience the £40 seats behind the goals come with a guarantee that you will see very little unless you are prepared to be on your feet most of the game.
That is why I try to target the corner blocks, for the same £40 you are still up and down like a tart's draws but not quite so often.

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foxinthebox2001 wrote:First point, concerning ticketing prices, City have a game at QPR coming up, the visitors seats cost £55/50, £5 off for restricted view. So comparing a ramshackle ground with restricted views with the Emirates, with clear views from all angles, then £7 isn't too bad. Still overall too expensive, but that is another issue.
Secondly, if you pay for the best seats at Emirates, upwards of £65 depending on category you will be able to sit comfortably, only rising when a home goal is scored, try doing it at corners, free kicks, or break away attacks and you will told in no uncertain terms to sit down.
However, I know from experience the £40 seats behind the goals come with my guarantee that you will see very little unless you are prepared to be on your feet most of the game.
That is why I try to target the corner blocks, for the same £40 you are still up and down like a tart's draws but not quite so often.

yeah but you always have a a 50/50 chance that the seat infront of you is empty as you know there are thousands of empty seats at every home game.

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safe standing would help with pricing

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sleuth wrote:
foxinthebox2001 wrote:First point, concerning ticketing prices, City have a game at QPR coming up, the visitors seats cost £55/50, £5 off for restricted view. So comparing a ramshackle ground with restricted views with the Emirates, with clear views from all angles, then £7 isn't too bad. Still overall too expensive, but that is another issue.
Secondly, if you pay for the best seats at Emirates, upwards of £65 depending on category you will be able to sit comfortably, only rising when a home goal is scored, try doing it at corners, free kicks, or break away attacks and you will told in no uncertain terms to sit down.
However, I know from experience the £40 seats behind the goals come with my guarantee that you will see very little unless you are prepared to be on your feet most of the game.
That is why I try to target the corner blocks, for the same £40 you are still up and down like a tart's draws but not quite so often.

yeah but you always have a a 50/50 chance that the seat infront of you is empty as you know there are thousands of empty seats at every home game.
As you said mainly in the corporate areas, or club level, in the low to mid range where the commoners sit, not such an issue.

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foxinthebox2001 wrote:
sleuth wrote:
foxinthebox2001 wrote:First point, concerning ticketing prices, City have a game at QPR coming up, the visitors seats cost £55/50, £5 off for restricted view. So comparing a ramshackle ground with restricted views with the Emirates, with clear views from all angles, then £7 isn't too bad. Still overall too expensive, but that is another issue.
Secondly, if you pay for the best seats at Emirates, upwards of £65 depending on category you will be able to sit comfortably, only rising when a home goal is scored, try doing it at corners, free kicks, or break away attacks and you will told in no uncertain terms to sit down.
However, I know from experience the £40 seats behind the goals come with my guarantee that you will see very little unless you are prepared to be on your feet most of the game.
That is why I try to target the corner blocks, for the same £40 you are still up and down like a tart's draws but not quite so often.

yeah but you always have a a 50/50 chance that the seat infront of you is empty as you know there are thousands of empty seats at every home game.
As you said mainly in the corporate areas, or club level, in the low to mid range where the commoners sit, not such an issue.

Watch their next match if everyone sat down its becomes even more obvious as the television coverage is mainly showing the lower tiers anyway.
jsut as many there as the upper tiers.
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Tricky Tree wrote:safe standing would help with pricing
While do think it should be brought in, sadly most of extra revenue would not be used to do this. In my view the way game is structured has to be changed, extra revenue is about to be brought in from latest TV deal, none of it likely to be used to bring prices down.
At Afc the seats are bigger than normal in available area, that in my view nothing to do with giving fans a better experience (thats a bye product) but will allow expansion of ground at later date. At mo its capped due to logistics regarding transport problems etc bringing in safe standing at least for us would have no impact.
What would have effect is for clubs to live within their own means, player wages at mo, move ever higher taking any extra money , clubs that dont have benefactors shoveling money in, just to hang on to shirt tails of them have to sting the fan and while that type of ownership is allowed it can not and wont, in my view change.

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I think i'm probably alone in thinking that £40 to go to see an event in central London is not hugely expensive :?

Is it not in line with a gig, theatre etc?

I think the prices for programmes and food and drink once inside are ridiculoulsy over priced and that annoys me far more than the £40 to get in as they are clearly double or three times the price of the places selling even outside the ground

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Groomyd wrote:I think i'm probably alone in thinking that £40 to go to see an event in central London is not hugely expensive :?

Is it not in line with a gig, theatre etc?

I think the prices for programmes and food and drink once inside are ridiculoulsy over priced and that annoys me far more than the £40 to get in as they are clearly double or three times the price of the places selling even outside the ground

as a one off , no - but would you go to see the same band or show 19 times in 9 months ?

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Groomyd wrote:I think i'm probably alone in thinking that £40 to go to see an event in central London is not hugely expensive :?

Is it not in line with a gig, theatre etc?

I think the prices for programmes and food and drink once inside are ridiculoulsy over priced and that annoys me far more than the £40 to get in as they are clearly double or three times the price of the places selling even outside the ground

And i'm coming back at you with this.

The gripe, as mentioned in all of the papers, is Charging £62 to away supporters for a game let alone the price charges to Swansea supporters now too.

Why dont you stick up the average price of a season ticket NOT THE CHEAPEST- there's 45000 season tickets holders at arsenal and the AVERAGE PRICE WORKS OUT NEARER 75 QUID A GAME thats fromt he horses mouth! and in the first place thats not even my gripe its £62 quid JOKE.

Upper tier at the Emirates is £95 PER GAME PER SEASON TICKET HOLDER- SUCK ON THAT.
MY MATES RENEWED TODAY!


why do you keep spouting this £40 nonsense.

Those seats are shit for starters on a viewing basis and why dont you take the bigger picture and average.

AND I'LL END WITH

£62 TO CHARGE AN AWAY SUPPORTER IS A eff PISS TAKE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER

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Moist von Lipwig wrote:
as a one off , no - but would you go to see the same band or show 19 times in 9 months ?
No but i might go to 19 different gigs and plays in 9 months - plus other forms of entertainment like going to the London Eye, London Aquarium etc

I do play golf at least 19 times or more and £40 a round is only a mid priced round of golf for example

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Groomyd wrote:
Moist von Lipwig wrote:
as a one off , no - but would you go to see the same band or show 19 times in 9 months ?
No but i might go to 19 different gigs and plays in 9 months - plus other forms of entertainment like going to the London Eye, London Aquarium etc

I do play golf at least 19 times or more and £40 a round is only a mid priced round of golf for example
is football not the working mans sport (negating the Theatre arguement as this is for upper classes historically and you would not often want to take the family there)

Likewise, I suspect not many would want to take their children to gigs?

these comparisons I don't agree with - not sure what I would compare it to in all honesty. Obviously way more expensive than cricket (family friendly sport), trip to zoo/cinema/swimming and such like (family outings)

the truth of course is that as more corporates buy up tickets for entertainment and teh like, clubs don't give a flying eff who is in teh seat or even if anyone is - as long as it's sold

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AND I'LL END WITH

£62 TO CHARGE AN AWAY SUPPORTER IS A eff PISS TAKE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER
You can't lay the blame just at our door, that is not far off the going rate these days.
To reiterate, QPR offer away fans seats at £50, with a restricted view.
I remember a great day out at the old Wembley in 1993, the payback semi final v Spurs.
Tony Adams rose to head in the only goal of the game, where I was seated all I saw was a metal post in my sight line.
So I can tell my grandchildren I saw a post head the winner against Spurs at Wembley.
Can't recall how much I paid back then but it must have been £30-35, but I would have paid a bit more to actually see the only goal.

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why do you keep spouting this £40 nonsense.

Those seats are shit
I'm quite happy with my 'shit seat.'

Bang on the half way line, 6 rows from the front.

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Digsby wrote:
sleuth wrote:

why do you keep spouting this £40 nonsense.

Those seats are shit
I'm quite happy with my 'shit seat.'

Bang on the half way line, 6 rows from the front.
Indeed, when i go borrowing a friends season ticket i too have a "shit seat" for £38 which is on the half way line but about 15 seats back - IMO thats perfect!

Is football a "working mans sport?" - an emphatic no and it hasnt been since the Prem began and Sky pumped in the cash.

I'm not totally sure there has even been a "working man" since about 1979 either!

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foxinthebox2001 wrote:
sleuth wrote:
AND I'LL END WITH

£62 TO CHARGE AN AWAY SUPPORTER IS A eff PISS TAKE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER
You can't lay the blame just at our door, that is not far off the going rate these days.
To reiterate, QPR offer away fans seats at £50, with a restricted view.
I remember a great day out at the old Wembley in 1993, the payback semi final v Spurs.
Tony Adams rose to head in the only goal of the game, where I was seated all I saw was a metal post in my sight line.
So I can tell my grandchildren I saw a post head the winner against Spurs at Wembley.
Can't recall how much I paid back then but it must have been £30-35, but I would have paid a bit more to actually see the only goal.

£62 TO CHARGE AN AWAY SUPPORTER IS A eff PISS TAKE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER

AND IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN BRITISH FOOTBALL. INFACT IN FOOTBALL ANYWHERE.

PISSTAKE AT THE eff LIBRARY.

Its only the away supporters that actually make any noise.

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sleuth wrote: £62 TO CHARGE AN AWAY SUPPORTER IS A eff PISS TAKE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER

AND IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN BRITISH FOOTBALL. INFACT IN FOOTBALL ANYWHERE.

PISSTAKE AT THE eff LIBRARY.

Its only the away supporters that actually make any noise.

soon to be extinct.
Dot you know I basically agree with you, but you do make it hard :wink: we are not the dearest that dubious honor belongs to other end of Seven Sisters.
You mentioned us being unfair to Swans fans, ask your mate how much Afc fans got charged in first game as against home supporters, its not just us. Pools lowest charge is among highest I know of, my niece has one of the handicap season tickets and that is far cheaper than Pool charge.

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mikeg13 wrote:
sleuth wrote: £62 TO CHARGE AN AWAY SUPPORTER IS A eff PISS TAKE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER

AND IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN BRITISH FOOTBALL. INFACT IN FOOTBALL ANYWHERE.

PISSTAKE AT THE eff LIBRARY.

Its only the away supporters that actually make any noise.

soon to be extinct.
Dot you know I basically agree with you, but you do make it hard :wink: we are not the dearest that dubious honor belongs to other end of Seven Sisters.
You mentioned us being unfair to Swans fans, ask your mate how much Afc fans got charged in first game as against home supporters, its not just us. Pools lowest charge is among highest I know of, my niece has one of the handicap season tickets and that is far cheaper than Pool charge.
um i think you'll find your WRONG.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... km9C3oeW_Q." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

aND IN actual fact THIS SURVEY IS NOT COMPLETE BECAUSE A pLATINUM/DIAMOND SEASON TICKET WORKS OUT MORE THAN £4000
PER ANNUM.


can you supplu figues to s dispute this and show that Spurs charge more..

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Groomyd wrote:
Digsby wrote:
sleuth wrote:

why do you keep spouting this £40 nonsense.

Those seats are shit
I'm quite happy with my 'shit seat.'

Bang on the half way line, 6 rows from the front.
Indeed, when i go borrowing a friends season ticket i too have a "shit seat" for £38 which is on the half way line but about 15 seats back - IMO thats perfect!

Is football a "working mans sport?" - an emphatic no and it hasnt been since the Prem began and Sky pumped in the cash.

I'm not totally sure there has even been a "working man" since about 1979 either!

Sorry, didn't realise it was split hairs time :roll:

the average football fan is your average Joe Public, it is tehse people and their families that are priced out the game.

Didn't realise I'd said anything that coudl possibly not be agreed with :?

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Sorry, didn't realise it was split hairs time :roll:

the average football fan is your average Joe Public, it is tehse people and their families that are priced out the game.

Didn't realise I'd said anything that coudl possibly not be agreed with :?
I dont think that they are priced out of the game at all

I bet i could save the vast majority of Joe Publics £20 a week just by sorting out their finances (insurance, utilities, savings, credit cards etc)

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18. How many Cup matches are included in my One Hotspur Season Ticket Membership?
One Hotspur Silver, Gold and Platinum Members are given guaranteed admission for all 19 Premier League matches played at White Hart Lane, plus the first two home Cup-Ties played in either domestic or european cup competitions (excluding Champions League, if applicable) to be determined at the Club's discretion.

19. What happens if we do not play any home Cup matches during the 2012/2013 Season?
If the Club does not play either or both Home Cup games during the season then Silver, Gold and Platinum Members who renew for 2012/2013 Season will receive as a loyalty reward an appropriate credit to be determined by the Club. No cash refunds will be made.

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Arsenal season tickets include 26 matches consisting of 19 Barclays Premier League home matches plus seven cup games from European competitions and the FA Cup.


Afc season tickets include more games

Taken from club sites, its not as straightforward as is being put across, if I say go to 1 cat A, 1 cat B, 1 cat C game at Afc and Pool it would be cheaper at Afc that pool more often than not, but just looking at, or listening to media and most fans that would not come across.

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Groomyd wrote:
Tricky Tree wrote:
Sorry, didn't realise it was split hairs time :roll:

the average football fan is your average Joe Public, it is tehse people and their families that are priced out the game.

Didn't realise I'd said anything that coudl possibly not be agreed with :?
I dont think that they are priced out of the game at all

I bet i could save the vast majority of Joe Publics £20 a week just by sorting out their finances (insurance, utilities, savings, credit cards etc)
London Cuckooland. I only have one of the above, utilities and that's nationally owned (PS thankyou for subbing my EDF electricity). The amount it costs to watch live is ridiculous. It's sheer greed.

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jimmy ching wrote:
London Cuckooland. I only have one of the above, utilities and that's nationally owned (PS thankyou for subbing my EDF electricity). The amount it costs to watch live is ridiculous. It's sheer greed.
Phone? TV? Broadband? Water? Gas? Electricity? Car insurance? House insurance? Contents?

Do you make your own sandwiches fir work? That's £20 a week right there.

Smokes? Beer?

Pretty much anyone can save £3 a day .......... if they have the wherewithal

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Who spends 4 quid a day on sarnies? (or more accurately, 4 quid more than the ingredients would cost). From 85p at my Tesco. Full meal deal only 3 quid.

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And who says you have to save the full £3 a day in sarnies? :?

(boots meal deal is £3.80 - drink, crisps, sarnie)

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