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Where has the not another arsenal thread gone that was set up this morning
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It seems that we will be entering UEFA Youth League as against Nextgen next season, that will be interesting as its all the Champ league clubs, shame for Nextgen as it devalues it to a degree.
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So Gazidis says we have stagnated recently, more than some on here are prepared to admit.
Shame he didn't elaborate into the reasons why we have stagnated.
Although, it may be even better if he kept schtum and let the money do the talking.
Shame he didn't elaborate into the reasons why we have stagnated.
Although, it may be even better if he kept schtum and let the money do the talking.
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Seems to be schtum all round on the spending front since the media frenzy of last week. And to think people said we were cynical for linking that to season ticket deadlines......foxinthebox2001 wrote:Although, it may be even better if he kept schtum and let the money do the talking.
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Can't wait to hear Wenger's take on the stagnation issue, not exactly a vote of confidence in the management.murf wrote:Seems to be schtum all round on the spending front since the media frenzy of last week. And to think people said we were cynical for linking that to season ticket deadlines......foxinthebox2001 wrote:Although, it may be even better if he kept schtum and let the money do the talking.
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The supporters group (AISA) had meeting last night, with Gazedis they seem to be happyish with what they heard, think its around 2nd July date that we can (fingers crossed) see how much was spin and how much reality.foxinthebox2001 wrote:
Can't wait to hear Wenger's take on the stagnation issue, not exactly a vote of confidence in the management.
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Article by Kevin Whitcher, the gooner editor who attended the recent meeting between Gazidis and various supporters groups, including AISA.
Rather than post the whole account, here are a few interesting bits.
Really, for this observer, the most significant aspect of Gazidis’ words in recent weeks is that he has pretty much hung out his manager to dry, whilst still playing the white man and defending him. The unequivocal message that Arsène Wenger has very significant funds to spend and that Arsenal are willing to pay the market rate in transfers and wages means that if the club do fail to improve the team with quality this summer, then it will be down to the manager. In my few moments of conversation with the CEO before the event, he inexplicitly agreed with this view. I suspect an element of frustration carried over from past transfer windows and the attendant flak has persuaded Gazidis to lay his cards on the table so there is no possible argument about whether the funds are available to spend.
I wanted to ask a question, but did not get picked from the sea of hands. I would have asked for the CEO’s personal view on why Arsenal are so far behind Manchester United, and Tottenham so close to Arsenal based on the spending of the last two years. Here are the figures I have been given for transfer and wages spending from 2011-2013
Manchester United £418m
Arsenal £397m
Tottenham £259m
Everton £152m
These are not reflected in the relevant points gaps between the teams at season’s end.
Gazidis said that there has been no transfer activity so far this summer because things are still settling down at many clubs with new managers arriving.
Gazidis told the meeting that Robin Van Persie’s departure was not about money. There were other issues. He did not specify, but it was quite obvious that footballing ambition and a loss of faith in the club’s ability to satisfy those ambitions were what he meant – not least because the player has said as much. The former captain’s talking up of Alex Ferguson as a manager after eight years under Wenger kind of says it all.
At the conclusion of the evening, I was chatting with other fans, some of whom want to believe that Arsène can replicate the glory days, and the agreement was that, in terms of the players he has signed in recent years, he has lost his mojo. He does not recruit the quality of player he once did, and this, as much as anything, is why the club have stopped being contenders. It isn’t just about having less money to spend. Bargain players can still be found that have genuine impact in English football, but most of Arsenal’s do not. The club have spent a fair amount in recent seasons, but by and large, they have not spent well.
Rather than post the whole account, here are a few interesting bits.
Really, for this observer, the most significant aspect of Gazidis’ words in recent weeks is that he has pretty much hung out his manager to dry, whilst still playing the white man and defending him. The unequivocal message that Arsène Wenger has very significant funds to spend and that Arsenal are willing to pay the market rate in transfers and wages means that if the club do fail to improve the team with quality this summer, then it will be down to the manager. In my few moments of conversation with the CEO before the event, he inexplicitly agreed with this view. I suspect an element of frustration carried over from past transfer windows and the attendant flak has persuaded Gazidis to lay his cards on the table so there is no possible argument about whether the funds are available to spend.
I wanted to ask a question, but did not get picked from the sea of hands. I would have asked for the CEO’s personal view on why Arsenal are so far behind Manchester United, and Tottenham so close to Arsenal based on the spending of the last two years. Here are the figures I have been given for transfer and wages spending from 2011-2013
Manchester United £418m
Arsenal £397m
Tottenham £259m
Everton £152m
These are not reflected in the relevant points gaps between the teams at season’s end.
Gazidis said that there has been no transfer activity so far this summer because things are still settling down at many clubs with new managers arriving.
Gazidis told the meeting that Robin Van Persie’s departure was not about money. There were other issues. He did not specify, but it was quite obvious that footballing ambition and a loss of faith in the club’s ability to satisfy those ambitions were what he meant – not least because the player has said as much. The former captain’s talking up of Alex Ferguson as a manager after eight years under Wenger kind of says it all.
At the conclusion of the evening, I was chatting with other fans, some of whom want to believe that Arsène can replicate the glory days, and the agreement was that, in terms of the players he has signed in recent years, he has lost his mojo. He does not recruit the quality of player he once did, and this, as much as anything, is why the club have stopped being contenders. It isn’t just about having less money to spend. Bargain players can still be found that have genuine impact in English football, but most of Arsenal’s do not. The club have spent a fair amount in recent seasons, but by and large, they have not spent well.
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Thats good interesting info FITB, but where are Stoke in the spending table Our resident Spanish expert keeps carping on about us spending so much !, this shows the spend between Man Yoo & Arsenal is negligible yet the gulf hugefoxinthebox2001 wrote:
I wanted to ask a question, but did not get picked from the sea of hands. I would have asked for the CEO’s personal view on why Arsenal are so far behind Manchester United, and Tottenham so close to Arsenal based on the spending of the last two years. Here are the figures I have been given for transfer and wages spending from 2011-2013
Manchester United £418m
Arsenal £397m
Tottenham £259m
Everton £152m
These are not reflected in the relevant points gaps between the teams at season’s end.
Of course he will ask where these figures came from
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foxinthebox2001 wrote:whilst still playing the white man .
Jesus Christ on a bike who uses phrases like that these days
Fox - why do you read this sort of guff? Its pathetic how these bloggers think they know stuff in the same whay you gave us your "trust me" schtick having read one feature in the Telegraph - what is the source of any of these figures?
Gazidis has been absolutely backing his manager by talking about signing him up on a new contract for eff s sake!!!!
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I love the smell of irony in the morning.....Groomyd wrote:Jesus Christ on a bike who uses phrases like that these days
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fiso goldmurf wrote:I love the smell of irony in the morning.....Groomyd wrote:Jesus Christ on a bike who uses phrases like that these days
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Do tell Murf?murf wrote:I love the smell of irony in the morning.....Groomyd wrote:Jesus Christ on a bike who uses phrases like that these days
Or are you just trolling the Arsenal threads again
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Stagnant, that is how Gazidis described it.Groomyd wrote:foxinthebox2001 wrote:whilst still playing the white man .
Jesus Christ on a bike who uses phrases like that these days
Fox - why do you read this sort of guff? Its pathetic how these bloggers think they know stuff in the same whay you gave us your "trust me" schtick having read one feature in the Telegraph - what is the source of any of these figures?
Gazidis has been absolutely backing his manager by talking about signing him up on a new contract for eff s sake!!!!
Showing little or no sign of activity or advancement, not developing or progressing.
I would see that as a mild criticism of Wenger.
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