Dominic Cummings - Should he stay or should he go?

[bluenosey]

Don't get me wrong, London is well down from the peak. MAssively. But that article is not "honest journalism", it's picking and choosing stats to fit an agenda.

All newspapers do that, from the tabloids to the broadsheets.

I think it's safe to say that, at the moment, the rate is falling in parts of the country that were hit hardest first (London/the Midlands)

More or less everywhere is going through a similar cycle. The virus is "having it's fling"

Whether it comes back or not in second and third waves and whether you can get it again, are questions for the boffins.

And all should be called out for it, even if it is one's favourite paper. 15 wrongs (assuming 15 papers) don't make a right. They make 15 wrongs.

Agreed but they all put a slant on things.

I've woken up this morning thinking Dominic Cummings has killed someone, such has been the "outrage" plastered across the papers and on the radio. He may well have done wrong but undoubtedly, certain sections of the press have an agenda against him.

[murf]

Re Cummings, he said that he went to his parents so they could help look after his child but it was OK as they were in a separate building to his parents. All well and good Dominic but...... how do you share looking after a kid without it shuttling between 2 locked down buildings potentially spreading the virus????

[bluenosey]

Re Cummings, he said that he went to his parents so they could help look after his child but it was OK as they were in a separate building to his parents. All well and good Dominic but...... how do you share looking after a kid without it shuttling between 2 locked down buildings potentially spreading the virus????

He should have known better. At the end of the day he's probably got a shedload of Guardianista tracking his every move so should know he's public enemy number one in their eyes. On the other hand, if he thinks he's above the law and he's too arrogant to respect the law - we've all had to - then he should resign or be fired and I've no symptahy.

[Tom_Nook]

Ironic that the man who controlled the people versus 'the elite' agenda of Brexit believes he doesn't have to follow the rules he helped to put in place for the little people.

His position should be untenable but we're living in a Kakistocracy now so I suspect he'll be fine.

[hancockjr]

Cummings: He's being treated like all the other people who "set" the rules and have not complied - he's no longer fit for office. There may be an agenda against him but he's totally in the wrong and should resign/be sacked.

Smoking: It's not actually COIVD-19 that kills you, it's the body's immuno response to it and how that leaves it: COVID-19 infects the lungs, the body's response kills it but by destroying the very things that normally protect it. Pneumonia/infection then kills the patient. Bit like "saving" a city in a war by razing it to the ground, thus allowing another enemy to walk in (or citizen to die of disease etc). Seems to be the theory that COVID can't penetrate lungs of smokers so easily, hence the immuno response isn't needed so often.

Interesting that Sweden now has the highest per capita death rate in the world despite lots of structural reasons why it should not be badly affected (as seen by Denmark/Norway etc).

[bluenosey]

Cummings: He's being treated like all the other people who "set" the rules and have not complied - he's no longer fit for office. There may be an agenda against him but he's totally in the wrong and should resign/be sacked.

Smoking: It's not actually COIVD-19 that kills you, it's the body's immuno response to it and how that leaves it: COVID-19 infects the lungs, the body's response kills it but by destroying the very things that normally protect it. Pneumonia/infection then kills the patient. Bit like "saving" a city in a war by razing it to the ground, thus allowing another enemy to walk in (or citizen to die of disease etc). Seems to be the theory that COVID can't penetrate lungs of smokers so easily, hence the immuno response isn't needed so often.

Interesting that Sweden now has the highest per capita death rate in the world despite lots of structural reasons why it should not be badly affected (as seen by Denmark/Norway etc).

Ah, cheers, didn't know that - everyday's a school day

[Dot]

Ironic that the man who controlled the people versus 'the elite' agenda of Brexit believes he doesn't have to follow the rules he helped to put in place for the little people.

His position should be untenable but we're living in a Kakistocracy now so I suspect he'll be fine.

That's your opinion only though. Last time I looked Boris Johnson was PM.

[murf]

Last time I looked Boris wasn't saying "we are introducing lockdown to protect the healthy under 30's"

[Dot]

Seems I’ve been banned from the bad things forum for calling out suprised for what he is . Oh well ...

Edit. Perhaps not , back in and posts deleted

But no , not watched any bundesliga dot although my son has and he hasn’t seen any bookings for it

Yeah I've gotta be careful ususal suspects ganging up. I'm the Dominic Cummings of the board didn't you know Frank.

[wahine]

Re Cummings, he said that he went to his parents so they could help look after his child but it was OK as they were in a separate building to his parents. All well and good Dominic but...... how do you share looking after a kid without it shuttling between 2 locked down buildings potentially spreading the virus????

He should have known better. At the end of the day he's probably got a shedload of Guardianista tracking his every move so should know he's public enemy number one in their eyes. On the other hand, if he thinks he's above the law and he's too arrogant to respect the law - we've all had to - then he should resign or be fired and I've no symptahy.

What you need is another female Prime Minister

https://www.facebook.com/1NEWSNZ/videos/843576232777884

[Dot]

Don't get me wrong, London is well down from the peak. MAssively. But that article is not "honest journalism", it's picking and choosing stats to fit an agenda.

All newspapers do that, from the tabloids to the broadsheets.

I think it's safe to say that, at the moment, the rate is falling in parts of the country that were hit hardest first (London/the Midlands)

More or less everywhere is going through a similar cycle. The virus is "having it's fling"

Whether it comes back or not in second and third waves and whether you can get it again, are questions for the boffins.

And all should be called out for it, even if it is one's favourite paper. 15 wrongs (assuming 15 papers) don't make a right. They make 15 wrongs.

Agreed but they all put a slant on things.

I've woken up this morning thinking Dominic Cummings has killed someone, such has been the "outrage" plastered across the papers and on the radio. He may well have done wrong but undoubtedly, certain sections of the press have an agenda against him.

Funny I didn't just think he had murdered someone but was a bigger serial killer than Ted Bundy.

All the media, in particular Sky and the BBC, were trolling out remainer after remainer to give their point of view and one female journalist on early hours of this morning on Sky was uncontrollable with rage.

She was demanding the Police check all ANPR cameras to find where his car has been and wanted his phone seized so they could pinpoint his location history.

eff me get a life

[Dot]

Bet Gordon Ramsey is happy to have the heat off him now in Cornwall.
Looking forward to Piers Morgans visit to the south coast and the press reports

[RomynPG]

All the media, in particular Sky and the BBC, were trolling out remainer after remainer to give their point of view and one female journalist on early hours of this morning on Sky was uncontrollable with rage.

Well known remainer Steve Baker MP calls for Cummings to go - https://twitter.com/i/events/1264136487576068096

[Dot]

In the real world are you Anna Soubry?

[unc.si.]

seems we were OK to travel around the country after all. They probably should have been a bit clearer about that earlier, but I'm sure no-one minds really

[Tom_Nook]

Let's face it, Cummings hasn't the integrity to resign and Johnson was never going to sack him.
It'd be the equivalent of Spit the Dog sacking Bob Carolgees.

[unc.si.]

To be honest, after Boris's opening statement I'm not sure anyone is really going to take any notice of whatever he says about relaxing the 'rules'. People will just do what they want, whether that's going back to work or staying at home.

[unc.si.]

Let's face it, Cummings hasn't the integrity to resign and Johnson was never going to sack him.
It'd be the equivalent of Spit the Dog sacking Bob Carolgees.

I saw something earlier about it being like Emu sacking Rod Hull

[Dot]

Slowness run in the family then dot?

I see the PM is gracing us with his presence on the daily briefing.

We can call off the search parties now.

If a jobs worth doing it's worth doing well. You might want to take that on board as you go through puberty Tom.

[blahblah]

Let's face it, Cummings hasn't the integrity to resign and Johnson was never going to sack him.
It'd be the equivalent of Spit the Dog sacking Bob Carolgees.

I saw something earlier about it being like Emu sacking Rod Hull

Can we spit again too?

[ffstuff]

All of you moaning about Cummings and the press going to town on him . Turn on the news and see about 30 press individuals surrounding him getting into his car whilst they ask him questions on social distancing. It’s a farce and most of you sheep are just as bad - politics before substance

[blahblah]

The substance being that he can do what he wants? That BJ can use public cash to pay for sex?

[Dot]

All of you moaning about Cummings and the press going to town on him . Turn on the news and see about 30 press individuals surrounding him getting into his car whilst they ask him questions on social distancing. It’s a farce and most of you sheep are just as bad - politics before substance

Exactly Frank. If any Tory MP ain't happy with Boris defence of Cummings well they could always resign.

Loved the way Rigby and Kuenssberg never got a look in.

Anyone who says they have observed the lockdown to the letter is a liar too.

How the eff no other news matters just shows how low this country has stooped.

[raoul]

To be honest, after Boris's opening statement I'm not sure anyone is really going to take any notice of whatever he says about relaxing the 'rules'. People will just do what they want, whether that's going back to work or staying at home.

Which is the one thing that might let Boris off this hook. Enough selfish wazzocks out there who have been doing exactly what Cummings has done and can certainly understand why they shouldn't but don't care.

Those who do follow the rules and principles behind those rules are the quiet ones who nobody listens to anyway.

It's why having consideration makes you feel good but makes you financially poorer than those without it.

[blahblah]

To be honest, after Boris's opening statement I'm not sure anyone is really going to take any notice of whatever he says about relaxing the 'rules'. People will just do what they want, whether that's going back to work or staying at home.

Which is the one thing that might let Boris off this hook. Enough selfish wazzocks out there who have been doing exactly what Cummings has done and can certainly understand why they shouldn't but don't care.

Those who do follow the rules and principles behind those rules are the quiet ones who nobody listens to anyway.

It's why having consideration makes you feel good but makes you financially poorer than those without it.

Yep. But some may rebel and do as they wish.

Not to mention those being given a green light and would do as they wish anyway.... Crowds outside football grounds.... in bars watching it on tv.....

The is the icing on the shit cake of incompetence of this debacle.

[Tom_Nook]

Totally agree Raoul.

My initial anger has already turned into pity for all those poor people who died alone. All those family members who couldn't attend funerals. The frontline NHS staff.

I feel so sorry for them all. That they've been told their sacrifices are valued less than one man's job.

[raoul]

I think we now have a new concept in life. If you are ever not sure, ask one simple question.

What would Dominic do?

[raoul]

There are only 3 people on the planet who seem to believe that Dominic Cummings should still be in his job.

1. Dominic Cummings
2. Boris (who is told what to say and do by Dominic Cummings)
3. Dot (who I am beginning to think might be Dominic Cummings)

Boris is taking a massive risk. His only get out clause now seems to be additional evidence coming to light, meaning he can backtrack and say that given the additional news, mutually agreed it is best to step down, etc etc.

Alternatively, if Boris can survive this then the Trumpian strategy (do whatever you want and say whatever you want and ignore everyone's valid points and questions) is clearly genius and Dominic should get a knighthood for his genius.

If the last point above turns out right, we are in Sheetsville because it means Boris has licence to do absolutely anything.

[bspittles]

Apparently a Sky reporter has confirmed that Dom’s car was seen in Barnard Castle.

[murf]

Apparently a Sky reporter has confirmed that Dom’s car was seen in Barnard Castle.

How can he CONFIRM it?

If true it gives Boris & co a get out of jail free card - sack him for lying to them.