Locking player from your rivals
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Locking player from your rivals
I'm not sure if this has been already covered here, but I just invented it myself.
So it seems that once you get a certain player by waiver and then transfer him out as a free agent, then he is locked from everyone until the next waiver process. So, if you know your rivals will be trying to get this player while you don't want him yourself, then you can try to get him by waiver and then immediately transfer him out - hence locking him from others until the next waiver process.
Is this correct?
So it seems that once you get a certain player by waiver and then transfer him out as a free agent, then he is locked from everyone until the next waiver process. So, if you know your rivals will be trying to get this player while you don't want him yourself, then you can try to get him by waiver and then immediately transfer him out - hence locking him from others until the next waiver process.
Is this correct?
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Re: Locking player from your rivals
Sounds like a 'cunning plan Baldrick' that could work in theory. I'm leading my two leagues where the others have probably stopped playing so don't have to resort to such tactics.
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Re: Locking player from your rivals
But you have to bring someone else on a FA and you won't be able to bring back the one you traded out for a waiver. It's robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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Re: Locking player from your rivals
You will always have someone that you definitely want to transfer out, and most of times there will be some under-the-radar pick that you will want to bring in (and who is usually available in FA because he is under-the-radar).Tacalabala wrote: ↑27 Nov 2017, 19:19 But you have to bring someone else on a FA and you won't be able to bring back the one you traded out for a waiver. It's robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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Re: Locking player from your rivals
I can remember discussing something similar to this back in the summer before the final rules had been published and we were unsure how the whole free agency and waivers process was going to work. Back then the thinking was that the waiver pool would only contain a small number of players and everyone else was a free agent, so with unlimited transfers you could get in as soon as free-agency opened and transfer players into the same slot in your squad multiple times locking a whole raft of them from everyone else.
This tactic was effectively negated though once it became apparant that all players are available during waivers so everyone gets a chance to pick the best players before free-agency opens.
Your idea still works in theory for a single player, provided you are in a low position in the league to get an early waiver pick. However in practice, with the strength of typical draft squads, I think you'll usually find that if there's a decent player available that's clearly wanted by someone else, then you'll probably be wanting them for your squad anyway.
This tactic was effectively negated though once it became apparant that all players are available during waivers so everyone gets a chance to pick the best players before free-agency opens.
Your idea still works in theory for a single player, provided you are in a low position in the league to get an early waiver pick. However in practice, with the strength of typical draft squads, I think you'll usually find that if there's a decent player available that's clearly wanted by someone else, then you'll probably be wanting them for your squad anyway.
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Re: Locking player from your rivals
I think it was in a topic you started viewtopic.php?f=376&t=124803Talkie Toaster wrote: ↑27 Nov 2017, 23:39 I can remember discussing something similar to this back in the summer before the final rules had been published and we were unsure how the whole free agency and waivers process was going to work.
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Re: Locking player from your rivals
This is a good point as well. So basically if you have a useless bench player in your team and you notice there is a free agent available that would strengthen your rival's squad but not your squad. Then you can just transfer him in and out in order to lock him from everyone.Talkie Toaster wrote: ↑27 Nov 2017, 23:39 Back then the thinking was that the waiver pool would only contain a small number of players and everyone else was a free agent, so with unlimited transfers you could get in as soon as free-agency opened and transfer players into the same slot in your squad multiple times locking a whole raft of them from everyone else.
Also if you think you have the best team in your league, then you can effectively shut down the free agent market by swapping in and out every available player. No one can do free agent transfers anymore if you decide so.
Are we now breaking some sort of unspoken code and moving into a grey area which is not considered fair play anymore?
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Re: Locking player from your rivals
MoSe wrote: ↑28 Nov 2017, 11:10I think it was in a topic you started viewtopic.php?f=376&t=124803Talkie Toaster wrote: ↑27 Nov 2017, 23:39 I can remember discussing something similar to this back in the summer before the final rules had been published and we were unsure how the whole free agency and waivers process was going to work.
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Thanks MoSe. I'm glad one of us is paying attention!
I was suggesting it as a possible disruptive loophole and counter strategy to people streaming defenders.
Finisher1 wrote: Also if you think you have the best team in your league, then you can effectively shut down the free agent market by swapping in and out every available player. No one can do free agent transfers anymore if you decide so.
Are we now breaking some sort of unspoken code and moving into a grey area which is not considered fair play anymore?
I don't think so, because of the priority given to waivers free-agency is usually little more than a mopping up exercise. So by locking all the free agents you are only really locking players that everyone has already passed on.
The most likely opportunity to use the waiver blocking tactic might be for a crucial H2H or cup match where trying to disrupt an opponent's plans for a single player for a single week might make sense.
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Re: Locking player from your rivals
If a lesser team with lots of free players had an outstanding dgw 37 you could waiver in as many of their players as possible and then dump any that you didn't really want?
It's hard to think of many times I would not want that player and be willing to ditch a squad player to make that happen and it would significantly block a rival.
Maybe if you play a very different formation to rivals. If you play 5-4-1 you could keep wavering in striker targets of others and then ditching them.
It's hard to think of many times I would not want that player and be willing to ditch a squad player to make that happen and it would significantly block a rival.
Maybe if you play a very different formation to rivals. If you play 5-4-1 you could keep wavering in striker targets of others and then ditching them.
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Re: Locking player from your rivals
How very un-British this tactic is - win the league on the merits of your own judgement rather than snide technicalities is what I say!
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Re: Locking player from your rivals
This week (blank GW31 for anyone reading this in future) in my draft league of 10 teams, I had Karius and Pickford of the 8 likely playing keepers.
I waivered Pickford to Pope knowing that nobody else can buy Pickford this week to get ready for future promising weeks (and might change this slot again before too long). I suppose someone with Karius and an unwanted keeper could have waivered in Pickford had everyone else been unable to do so, or having forgotten, and then ditched him assuming Karius will play anyway. But I guess anyone else could have countered that by being ready with their waivers OR forcing me to use my first pick to "beat" them.
I waivered Pickford to Pope knowing that nobody else can buy Pickford this week to get ready for future promising weeks (and might change this slot again before too long). I suppose someone with Karius and an unwanted keeper could have waivered in Pickford had everyone else been unable to do so, or having forgotten, and then ditched him assuming Karius will play anyway. But I guess anyone else could have countered that by being ready with their waivers OR forcing me to use my first pick to "beat" them.
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