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Really enjoyed last years thread and got me thinking there is a distinct lack of strategy discussion this year and got me thinking as to why?

Is it because the dynamic of the game has changed dramatically and people are holding their cards close to there chest?

I noticed In the other thread that some people seemed to think that the optimum strat was pretty obvious and I guess as such not really requiring much discussion?

I'm more than happy to discuss strat and whilst I could give away some gems I found last year that open discussion gave me more than I gave away and I honestly think without the help and thoughts of FISO members I wouldn't have won so much money (certaingky would have had less fun).

I think there are 3 distinct stats that could be used and am unsure which is optimum.

The obvious being EL, 4 games as opposed to two, however, I found last year it was a bit of a lottery and I missed out on points from the greats and found that the CS provided by the CL teams negated the points from the additional teams.

This year I am un sure about subs...

The CL games are on Tuesday and Wednesday and thus the luxury of being able to see the teams is an important factor, though, I suppose, if I still have 5 subs on the Thursday I can always sub out any EL players missing from my team once the team sheets are announced?

Meaning I am guaranteed to have a full team of EL starters but crucially, not having any CL players....unless I go with a hybrid strat... Lots of EL and 5 CL but then I miss out on the EL more game advantage?

Am I right in thinking that I will be able to make changes to my EL based teams before the Thursday kick off as they wont be locked teams as they wont have played in that game week (obv only to other EL players)?

What strategy do you consider optimum?

Are people going to be leaving teams blank like last year? Or will you be to afraid that you won't be able add players after the game starts a week Tuesday? Or is that illogical? Is there really an advantage to be had there?

Interested in everyone's opinions....

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So you agree you gave nought away but benefited from open discussion :twisted:
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Pogba looks a snip to me :wink:

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Always up for a bit of open discussion and always contribute more than most.

Just like discussing the meta strategys, more so the high risk, high variance strats...

That's why I started the variance thread last year, specifically to discuss ways of minimising variance and to encourage open discussion unlike the one line brigade who like to hate.

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RickyRosa wrote:Always up for a bit of open discussion and always contribute more than most.

Just like discussing the meta strategys, more so the high risk, high variance strats...

That's why I started the variance thread last year, specifically to discuss ways of minimising variance and to encourage open discussion unlike the one line brigade who like to hate.

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SUZYKINS wrote:
RickyRosa wrote:Always up for a bit of open discussion and always contribute more than most.

Just like discussing the meta strategys, more so the high risk, high variance strats...

That's why I started the variance thread last year, specifically to discuss ways of minimising variance and to encourage open discussion unlike the one line brigade who like to hate.

Haters gonna hate!
Piss takers gotta piss take :roll:
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RickyRosa wrote:Really enjoyed last years thread and got me thinking there is a distinct lack of strategy discussion this year and got me thinking as to why?

Is it because the dynamic of the game has changed dramatically and people are holding their cards close to there chest?

I noticed In the other thread that some people seemed to think that the optimum strat was pretty obvious and I guess as such not really requiring much discussion?

I'm more than happy to discuss strat and whilst I could give away some gems I found last year that open discussion gave me more than I gave away and I honestly think without the help and thoughts of FISO members I wouldn't have won so much money (certaingky would have had less fun).

I think there are 3 distinct stats that could be used and am unsure which is optimum.

The obvious being EL, 4 games as opposed to two, however, I found last year it was a bit of a lottery and I missed out on points from the greats and found that the CS provided by the CL teams negated the points from the additional teams.

This year I am un sure about subs...

The CL games are on Tuesday and Wednesday and thus the luxury of being able to see the teams is an important factor, though, I suppose, if I still have 5 subs on the Thursday I can always sub out any EL players missing from my team once the team sheets are announced?

Meaning I am guaranteed to have a full team of EL starters but crucially, not having any CL players....unless I go with a hybrid strat... Lots of EL and 5 CL but then I miss out on the EL more game advantage?

Am I right in thinking that I will be able to make changes to my EL based teams before the Thursday kick off as they wont be locked teams as they wont have played in that game week (obv only to other EL players)?

What strategy do you consider optimum?

Are people going to be leaving teams blank like last year? Or will you be to afraid that you won't be able add players after the game starts a week Tuesday? Or is that illogical? Is there really an advantage to be had there?

Interested in everyone's opinions....
think that the bit that is highlighted could give you some idea as to why a lack of replies

I've planned what I think is a good strategy and whilst I could give it away I don't think I'll bother

but can you all feel free to post your plans in case I've missed something

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Strangely like you I have found that discussing my strategy has helped me get better at this game. It's funny because logically you would think lurking and leeching information would benefit you, but quite a few lurkers have said when they stopped lurking and started contributing they became more successful. I actually have found the same.

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RickyRosa wrote:Really enjoyed last years thread and got me thinking there is a distinct lack of strategy discussion this year and got me thinking as to why?

Is it because the dynamic of the game has changed dramatically and people are holding their cards close to there chest?

I noticed In the other thread that some people seemed to think that the optimum strat was pretty obvious and I guess as such not really requiring much discussion?

I'm more than happy to discuss strat and whilst I could give away some gems I found last year that open discussion gave me more than I gave away and I honestly think without the help and thoughts of FISO members I wouldn't have won so much money (certaingky would have had less fun).

I think there are 3 distinct stats that could be used and am unsure which is optimum.

The obvious being EL, 4 games as opposed to two, however, I found last year it was a bit of a lottery and I missed out on points from the greats and found that the CS provided by the CL teams negated the points from the additional teams.

This year I am un sure about subs...

The CL games are on Tuesday and Wednesday and thus the luxury of being able to see the teams is an important factor, though, I suppose, if I still have 5 subs on the Thursday I can always sub out any EL players missing from my team once the team sheets are announced?

Meaning I am guaranteed to have a full team of EL starters but crucially, not having any CL players....unless I go with a hybrid strat... Lots of EL and 5 CL but then I miss out on the EL more game advantage?

Am I right in thinking that I will be able to make changes to my EL based teams before the Thursday kick off as they wont be locked teams as they wont have played in that game week (obv only to other EL players)?

What strategy do you consider optimum?

Are people going to be leaving teams blank like last year? Or will you be to afraid that you won't be able add players after the game starts a week Tuesday? Or is that illogical? Is there really an advantage to be had there?

Interested in everyone's opinions....

Who says Europa league games are on Thursdays?

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The Don wrote:
RickyRosa wrote:Really enjoyed last years thread and got me thinking there is a distinct lack of strategy discussion this year and got me thinking as to why?

Is it because the dynamic of the game has changed dramatically and people are holding their cards close to there chest?

I noticed In the other thread that some people seemed to think that the optimum strat was pretty obvious and I guess as such not really requiring much discussion?

I'm more than happy to discuss strat and whilst I could give away some gems I found last year that open discussion gave me more than I gave away and I honestly think without the help and thoughts of FISO members I wouldn't have won so much money (certaingky would have had less fun).

I think there are 3 distinct stats that could be used and am unsure which is optimum.

The obvious being EL, 4 games as opposed to two, however, I found last year it was a bit of a lottery and I missed out on points from the greats and found that the CS provided by the CL teams negated the points from the additional teams.

This year I am un sure about subs...

The CL games are on Tuesday and Wednesday and thus the luxury of being able to see the teams is an important factor, though, I suppose, if I still have 5 subs on the Thursday I can always sub out any EL players missing from my team once the team sheets are announced?

Meaning I am guaranteed to have a full team of EL starters but crucially, not having any CL players....unless I go with a hybrid strat... Lots of EL and 5 CL but then I miss out on the EL more game advantage?

Am I right in thinking that I will be able to make changes to my EL based teams before the Thursday kick off as they wont be locked teams as they wont have played in that game week (obv only to other EL players)?

What strategy do you consider optimum?

Are people going to be leaving teams blank like last year? Or will you be to afraid that you won't be able add players after the game starts a week Tuesday? Or is that illogical? Is there really an advantage to be had there?

Interested in everyone's opinions....

Who says Europa league games are on Thursdays?
They are besides the Man U 2nd leg.
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RickyRosa wrote:Really enjoyed last years thread and got me thinking there is a distinct lack of strategy discussion this year and got me thinking as to why?

Is it because the dynamic of the game has changed dramatically and people are holding their cards close to there chest?

I noticed In the other thread that some people seemed to think that the optimum strat was pretty obvious and I guess as such not really requiring much discussion?

I'm more than happy to discuss strat and whilst I could give away some gems I found last year that open discussion gave me more than I gave away and I honestly think without the help and thoughts of FISO members I wouldn't have won so much money (certaingky would have had less fun).

I think there are 3 distinct stats that could be used and am unsure which is optimum.

The obvious being EL, 4 games as opposed to two, however, I found last year it was a bit of a lottery and I missed out on points from the greats and found that the CS provided by the CL teams negated the points from the additional teams.

This year I am un sure about subs...

The CL games are on Tuesday and Wednesday and thus the luxury of being able to see the teams is an important factor, though, I suppose, if I still have 5 subs on the Thursday I can always sub out any EL players missing from my team once the team sheets are announced?

Meaning I am guaranteed to have a full team of EL starters but crucially, not having any CL players....unless I go with a hybrid strat... Lots of EL and 5 CL but then I miss out on the EL more game advantage?

Am I right in thinking that I will be able to make changes to my EL based teams before the Thursday kick off as they wont be locked teams as they wont have played in that game week (obv only to other EL players)?

What strategy do you consider optimum?

Are people going to be leaving teams blank like last year? Or will you be to afraid that you won't be able add players after the game starts a week Tuesday? Or is that illogical? Is there really an advantage to be had there?

Interested in everyone's opinions....
think that the bit that is highlighted could give you some idea as to why a lack of replies

I've planned what I think is a good strategy and whilst I could give it away I don't think I'll bother

but can you all feel free to post your plans in case I've missed something
Understand where you at coming from, however, just like Grizzler, I think i am a better player from open and transparent discussion, it's proven in my results, lurker 14/15 cam 150th overall, contributer 15/16 came 5th overall in one comp and 3rd overall in the Euro game.

Interestingly (or maybe not) I openly discussed my high risk Portuguese strat and despite some great players saying it was a mistake it reinforced to me that I had to play a very high risk strat to stand a chance of winning.

I think if I was lurking or not contributing I probably would have done what everyone else did and finished where everyone else did.

Whilst I understand why you would keep your cards close to your chest if everyone did the same their would be no discussion and thus no forum.
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RickyRosa wrote:Always up for a bit of open discussion and always contribute more than most.

Just like discussing the meta strategys, more so the high risk, high variance strats...

That's why I started the variance thread last year, specifically to discuss ways of minimising variance and to encourage open discussion unlike the one line brigade who like to hate.

Haters gonna hate!
Piss takers gotta piss take :roll:
So funny!

One thing I know is that FISO players are almost always at the top of the leagues, would be a shame if everyone keeps there tactics so closely guarded that the discussion, heads up on injuries, bargain players do not come to light...

Truly believe we all gain more by pooling info then keeping your thoughts top secrete

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RickyRosa wrote:
The Don wrote:
RickyRosa wrote:Really enjoyed last years thread and got me thinking there is a distinct lack of strategy discussion this year and got me thinking as to why?

Is it because the dynamic of the game has changed dramatically and people are holding their cards close to there chest?

I noticed In the other thread that some people seemed to think that the optimum strat was pretty obvious and I guess as such not really requiring much discussion?

I'm more than happy to discuss strat and whilst I could give away some gems I found last year that open discussion gave me more than I gave away and I honestly think without the help and thoughts of FISO members I wouldn't have won so much money (certaingky would have had less fun).

I think there are 3 distinct stats that could be used and am unsure which is optimum.

The obvious being EL, 4 games as opposed to two, however, I found last year it was a bit of a lottery and I missed out on points from the greats and found that the CS provided by the CL teams negated the points from the additional teams.

This year I am un sure about subs...

The CL games are on Tuesday and Wednesday and thus the luxury of being able to see the teams is an important factor, though, I suppose, if I still have 5 subs on the Thursday I can always sub out any EL players missing from my team once the team sheets are announced?

Meaning I am guaranteed to have a full team of EL starters but crucially, not having any CL players....unless I go with a hybrid strat... Lots of EL and 5 CL but then I miss out on the EL more game advantage?

Am I right in thinking that I will be able to make changes to my EL based teams before the Thursday kick off as they wont be locked teams as they wont have played in that game week (obv only to other EL players)?

What strategy do you consider optimum?

Are people going to be leaving teams blank like last year? Or will you be to afraid that you won't be able add players after the game starts a week Tuesday? Or is that illogical? Is there really an advantage to be had there?

Interested in everyone's opinions....

Who says Europa league games are on Thursdays?
They are besides the Man U 2nd leg.

WRONG!

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I think you misunderstood my reply

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With 5 transfers per phase and player lockout in place there are only a few ways to use your transfers and beyond that it's down to player choice.

What's the point of giving so called info when you would just be stating the obvious.

The pricing is such that you can pick any block you like and still have the top players and regards any hidden gems is there such a thing with all the info freely available about teams.

Surely the only strategy you should be focusing most on is getting 11 players starting first and foremost.

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My strat is based around free stylers and is both genius and awesome with some strat variance in phases 2 and 3 leading onto phase 4 where I go from single free stylers to variance free STYLING resulting in the ultimate finishing strat

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ronny10 wrote:My strat is based around free stylers and is both genius and awesome with some strat variance in phases 2 and 3 leading onto phase 4 where I go from single free stylers to variance free STYLING resulting in the ultimate finishing strat
I'll probably end up going the free style way, got 2 so far but could easily switch a CL free styler to a EL freestyler

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Blademan wrote:
ronny10 wrote:My strat is based around free stylers and is both genius and awesome with some strat variance in phases 2 and 3 leading onto phase 4 where I go from single free stylers to variance free STYLING resulting in the ultimate finishing strat
I'll probably end up going the free style way, got 2 so far but could easily switch a CL free styler to a EL freestyler
It's just wether the benefits of an early free style swap to semi fixed free styler is worthwhile but then you would be fully committed to a semi free style strat from then onwards and limit the variance of the obvious advantage gained from going full on free styling from day 1.

Tough one

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ronny10 wrote:
Blademan wrote:
ronny10 wrote:My strat is based around free stylers and is both genius and awesome with some strat variance in phases 2 and 3 leading onto phase 4 where I go from single free stylers to variance free STYLING resulting in the ultimate finishing strat
I'll probably end up going the free style way, got 2 so far but could easily switch a CL free styler to a EL freestyler
It's just wether the benefits of an early free style swap to semi fixed free styler is worthwhile but then you would be fully committed to a semi free style strat from then onwards and limit the variance of the obvious advantage gained from going full on free styling from day 1.

Tough one
that's the same dilemma I've got
high risk but high reward you would think, i'll prob end up going semi fixed free style way in half of my teams from day 1 but with the other half will leave it to see if any freestylers are drawn against each other in phase 3, if they are its going to waste 2 transfers in phase 3 but if they're not it could be a huge advantage having 2 of them in and 5 transfers

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Blademan wrote:
ronny10 wrote:
Blademan wrote:
ronny10 wrote:My strat is based around free stylers and is both genius and awesome with some strat variance in phases 2 and 3 leading onto phase 4 where I go from single free stylers to variance free STYLING resulting in the ultimate finishing strat
I'll probably end up going the free style way, got 2 so far but could easily switch a CL free styler to a EL freestyler
It's just wether the benefits of an early free style swap to semi fixed free styler is worthwhile but then you would be fully committed to a semi free style strat from then onwards and limit the variance of the obvious advantage gained from going full on free styling from day 1.

Tough one
that's the same dilemma I've got
high risk but high reward you would think, i'll prob end up going semi fixed free style way in half of my teams from day 1 but with the other half will leave it to see if any freestylers are drawn against each other in phase 3, if they are its going to waste 2 transfers in phase 3 but if they're not it could be a huge advantage having 2 of them in and 5 transfers
Only 2 free stylers in phase 3 :shock:

I thought you learnt your lesson in the monthlies last season blade.

I suggest you have another look as you can clearly get a double freestyle strat in from the start and with the semi fixed freestyle variance you can push towards in phases 2 and 3 there is a way to triple free styling :wink:

I aint giving it all away though. You can work it out for yourself :P

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The thing is with free stylers is knowing when to use them. I'm probably going to freestyle in phase 3. Freestyled too early last season and it cost me big time and only did well in 1 of the phases :roll:

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MADCHESTER UTD wrote:The thing is with free stylers is knowing when to use them. I'm probably going to freestyle in phase 3. Freestyled too early last season and it cost me big time and only did well in 1 of the phases :roll:
Thing is Dan this year is a different game, very similar to how you may have free styled in the euro game but you need a better variance of free stylers compared to that just because I would think your 1st phase strat based on different fixture schedules to that of the summer euro game But it does allow an earlier use of a freestyler or even 2 and with proper use of 'buzzing' variance as I mentioned to blade it actually is possible for triple free styling in the latter stages.

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You would be very lucky ronny to be able to triple freestyle in the latter stages ( may be wrong but thats only possible stage 3 onwards isnt it?) you would need the buzzing variant from cl to el players to be exact in first two phases for any chance. But you have given me food for thought.

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I think my strat, will be to simply use a slight variance, on last year's winning freestyle double, in or around phase 2 :idea:

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Too risky for 3 imo, works well with euros and monthlies but you know who plays who all the time then .
Random draw in phase 3 makes it too risky for 3 free stylers imo

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leethomas wrote:You would be very lucky ronny to be able to triple freestyle in the latter stages ( may be wrong but thats only possible stage 3 onwards isnt it?) you would need the buzzing variant from cl to el players to be exact in first two phases for any chance. But you have given me food for thought.
It is unlikely but possible. It all depends on results but doesn't any strat.

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Blademan wrote:Too risky for 3 imo, works well with euros and monthlies but you know who plays who all the time then .
Random draw in phase 3 makes it too risky for 3 free stylers imo
Like I just said to lee, all depends on results and draw obviously but then all you can do is make sure the variance of free stylers across all your teams compliment each other we you go safe on a single freestyler start and play that way all the way through or take risks regards variance in phase 1 looking at expanding your freestylers as things progress.

Hard to plan exactly and bound to be a few buzzing variance factors to consider but that's the fun I suppose in sorting your strat early and playing it all out

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The Don wrote:
RickyRosa wrote:
The Don wrote:
RickyRosa wrote:Really enjoyed last years thread and got me thinking there is a distinct lack of strategy discussion this year and got me thinking as to why?

Is it because the dynamic of the game has changed dramatically and people are holding their cards close to there chest?

I noticed In the other thread that some people seemed to think that the optimum strat was pretty obvious and I guess as such not really requiring much discussion?

I'm more than happy to discuss strat and whilst I could give away some gems I found last year that open discussion gave me more than I gave away and I honestly think without the help and thoughts of FISO members I wouldn't have won so much money (certaingky would have had less fun).

I think there are 3 distinct stats that could be used and am unsure which is optimum.

The obvious being EL, 4 games as opposed to two, however, I found last year it was a bit of a lottery and I missed out on points from the greats and found that the CS provided by the CL teams negated the points from the additional teams.

This year I am un sure about subs...

The CL games are on Tuesday and Wednesday and thus the luxury of being able to see the teams is an important factor, though, I suppose, if I still have 5 subs on the Thursday I can always sub out any EL players missing from my team once the team sheets are announced?

Meaning I am guaranteed to have a full team of EL starters but crucially, not having any CL players....unless I go with a hybrid strat... Lots of EL and 5 CL but then I miss out on the EL more game advantage?

Am I right in thinking that I will be able to make changes to my EL based teams before the Thursday kick off as they wont be locked teams as they wont have played in that game week (obv only to other EL players)?

What strategy do you consider optimum?

Are people going to be leaving teams blank like last year? Or will you be to afraid that you won't be able add players after the game starts a week Tuesday? Or is that illogical? Is there really an advantage to be had there?

Interested in everyone's opinions....

Who says Europa league games are on Thursdays?
They are besides the Man U 2nd leg.

WRONG!
x2

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You'll not start with 3 ronny

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ronny10 wrote:
Blademan wrote:Too risky for 3 imo, works well with euros and monthlies but you know who plays who all the time then .
Random draw in phase 3 makes it too risky for 3 free stylers imo
Like I just said to lee, all depends on results and draw obviously but then all you can do is make sure the variance of free stylers across all your teams compliment each other we you go safe on a single freestyler start and play that way all the way through or take risks regards variance in phase 1 looking at expanding your freestylers as things progress.

Hard to plan exactly and bound to be a few buzzing variance factors to consider but that's the fun I suppose in sorting your strat early and playing it all out
Could always really gamble with the variant and perm the third freestyler from phase two onwards with freestyler one and two.....obviously either freestyler 1 or 2 would have to be el player, big gamble but could work.

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leethomas wrote:
ronny10 wrote:
Blademan wrote:Too risky for 3 imo, works well with euros and monthlies but you know who plays who all the time then .
Random draw in phase 3 makes it too risky for 3 free stylers imo
Like I just said to lee, all depends on results and draw obviously but then all you can do is make sure the variance of free stylers across all your teams compliment each other we you go safe on a single freestyler start and play that way all the way through or take risks regards variance in phase 1 looking at expanding your freestylers as things progress.

Hard to plan exactly and bound to be a few buzzing variance factors to consider but that's the fun I suppose in sorting your strat early and playing it all out
Could always really gamble with the variant and perm the third freestyler from phase two onwards with freestyler one and two.....obviously either freestyler 1 or 2 would have to be el player, big gamble but could work.
:shock: you're so close

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:? But why would you free style in phase 3 with a EL? Surely you'd be better off freestyling a CL player as not only do they play first, you also save a transfer. I know it's swings and roundabouts but I'd much rather a full block to start, converting to a semi block once the free stylers have been activated. Each to their own though

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