You asked for examples. He gave some.crispybits wrote:The point CK, at least with the most recent bit, is that it is far, far, FAR too easy to point to things specifically and solely motivated by religious belief having a detrimental effect on our world. I asked the question about give some examples of religion doing good to try and offer the way in for someone to point out specific examples of religion currently doing good things. I got irrelevance in reply (within the context of the good things at least trying to be comparable to the bad things). It's like you listing all the bad things about FIFA corruption over the last decade (assuming that many more of the facts were already public) and me responding by saying "well yeah but some people are made happier by playing football and they built a pitch in my village so..."
As for the bigoted - I'll accept that I am bigoted against religion, but I am not closed-minded about it. If someone can show me examples of it doing real good in this world that is even comparable with the level of harm it does then I will change my mind. Similarly I am bigoted against racism, is that a bad thing? I am bigoted against homophobia, is that a bad thing? I am bigoted against paedophilia, is that a bad thing? Being a bigot is only an insult if you can show that that specific bigotry does harm, otherwise it's merely a descriptor. Show me the harm I'm doing by pointing out all the damage religion is doing, right now, to people all over the world...
Of course they are irrelevant compared to the most heinous of acts.
But he could (if he wanted to be obtuse or childish) turn it around and ask what acts of good has a non religious person done compared to the acts of bad by some non-religious? See how futile this is?
I started this thread… i'm bamboozled that people that still believe in todays day and age (certainly in the 'west'). Im appalled, disgusted or annoyed at some of the things that religion does or doesnt do (or the gravitas that its given).
But equally, I dont see the point in lambasting anybody daring to speak up on here. Id never ridicule somebody for it (here or in real life). I might question them. I might debate with them. I might express my own feelings.
About 10 pages ago people were calling out for the pro-religious to give their side and as soon as someone does, they are set upon/ridiculed (on the couple of occasions somebody has).