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bluenosey wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:26
blahblah wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:14
bluenosey wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:11
Zimmerman wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:06 I bought a Le Tiss video... scored some ridiculously good goals. But again, from an era where highlights were king. So how good was he? He was immobile for a kick off. But did he run and boss games? Or did he occasionally turn in to Pelé when he could be @rsed?
Best, Bowles, George, Hudson, Worthington, Marsh.....Gazza, Le Tiss.

Some lazy pissed up scoundrels and shag arounds in there. But some seriously fantastic players. The English players hardly got a look in the national team in the 70s. If only we had Cloughie in charge.
Nah to Gaza. Not fit to clean their boots, except may be Charlie George's.

POMO and Sir Chuck Hughes royally fooked football here and players like those.
Ask Colin Hendry. Or is he still in a spin :wink:
I think you mean his ex wife after a punch\kick?

His FAC Cup Final appearance sums him up for me; and dodgy refereeing for not sending him off too.

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bluenosey wrote:Rob Jones. I had forgotten him. If injury hadn't cut his career short may have given Gary Neville a run for his money in the national team.
I loved Rob Jones. Should have been a world beater. Working with Liverpool's kids now. Got a good mention in an article I read today on Neco Williams - a kid who could be mentioned on 'world class' threads in years to come IF etc etc.....

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blahblah wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:29
bluenosey wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:26
blahblah wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:14
bluenosey wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:11
Zimmerman wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:06 I bought a Le Tiss video... scored some ridiculously good goals. But again, from an era where highlights were king. So how good was he? He was immobile for a kick off. But did he run and boss games? Or did he occasionally turn in to Pelé when he could be @rsed?
Best, Bowles, George, Hudson, Worthington, Marsh.....Gazza, Le Tiss.

Some lazy pissed up scoundrels and shag arounds in there. But some seriously fantastic players. The English players hardly got a look in the national team in the 70s. If only we had Cloughie in charge.
Nah to Gaza. Not fit to clean their boots, except may be Charlie George's.

POMO and Sir Chuck Hughes royally fooked football here and players like those.
Ask Colin Hendry. Or is he still in a spin :wink:
I think you mean his ex wife after a punch\kick?

His FAC Cup Final appearance sums him up for me; and dodgy refereeing for not sending him off too.
No way am I defending that but he won't be the first or the last. And he should have been sent off v Forest in that final.

But still, he could make things happen and he was a very special player when he just dropped that shoulder...

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The rare bit of "magic", but nowt on Le Tiss..

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murf wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:30
bluenosey wrote:Rob Jones. I had forgotten him. If injury hadn't cut his career short may have given Gary Neville a run for his money in the national team.
I loved Rob Jones. Should have been a world beater. Working with Liverpool's kids now. Got a good mention in an article I read today on Neco Williams - a kid who could be mentioned on 'world class' threads in years to come IF etc etc.....
Yeah, shame that. Luck/injuries play a big part in a career.

There was an Irish lad who was part of Man United's Class of 92. Supposed to have been the best of the lot. But got wiped out in a reserve game by a Blackburn player, I think. Someone will know on here.

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I heard\read that story... not that my shite memory remembers who and how...

Did he get into painting or something?

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Zimmerman wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:06 He was immobile for a kick off.
He was very mobile after one particular kick-off :wink:

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forestfan wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:56
Zimmerman wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:06 He was immobile for a kick off.
He was very mobile after one particular kick-off :wink:
Not for long?

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blahblah wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:58
forestfan wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:56
Zimmerman wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:06 He was immobile for a kick off.
He was very mobile after one particular kick-off :wink:
Not for long?
About 70 seconds apparently...

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forestfan wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:59
blahblah wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:58
forestfan wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:56
Zimmerman wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:06 He was immobile for a kick off.
He was very mobile after one particular kick-off :wink:
Not for long?
About 70 seconds apparently...
Definitely less than 2 mins, and had already been booked.... Freaking disgrace that the ref bottled it 😤😤😤

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If he was a Pakistani cricketer, he’d have got a spell in jail and a 5 year ban.

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blahblah wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 20:41 Erm it wasn't...
This!

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forestfan wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 20:56
bluenosey wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 20:52
blahblah wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 20:43 Le Tiss was sublimely brilliant, he just chose to knock back SAF and do what nearly all fans want ie stayed with them.....
Agree, he was superb. A travesty he got one poxy half game for England :(
Perhaps a classic big fish in a small pond who might have sunk without trace at a big club?

Anyway, some names in those lists I haven’t heard for a while, and a handful that I don’t remember at all!
How young are you?!!!

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thebillfella wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 00:04
blahblah wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 20:41 Erm it wasn't...
This!

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That was to the Prem was stronger then.

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bluenosey wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:39
There was an Irish lad who was part of Man United's Class of 92. Supposed to have been the best of the lot. But got wiped out in a reserve game by a Blackburn player, I think. Someone will know on here.
You may be referring to Ben Thornley, but not sure he was Irish (may be wrong?) unless you are confusing him with Keith Gillespie (the makeweight for the Andy Cole transfer)?

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thebillfella wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 00:14
bluenosey wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:39
There was an Irish lad who was part of Man United's Class of 92. Supposed to have been the best of the lot. But got wiped out in a reserve game by a Blackburn player, I think. Someone will know on here.
You may be referring to Ben Thornley, but not sure he was Irish (may be wrong?) unless you are confusing him with Keith Gillespie (the makeweight for the Andy Cole transfer)?
No he was totally "unknown" ie broke before "breaking". I've heard of both of those but he broke at 16 or 17 ie when ripping up the yoofs.

I only heard of him through an article....

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Zimmerman wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 20:39 Bills list of greats (maybe a more generic list of premiership greats). I was referring to around that period rather than specifically 99 hence a few either side in there but so be it

Sheringham - was on a downward trend by 98/99 (32 at the start of the season) Was PFA Players' Player of the Year and FWA Footballer of the Year in 2001 :shock:
Anelka - had two great seasons... but goes down as unfulfilled potential for me Was still excellent in that time. Which way do you want it - 1 year or over a period?!
Ginola - how good was he? Really? There’s a reason he played for Newcastle and Spurs 🤣 Was PFA Players' Player of the Year and FWA Footballer of the Year in 1999 - I refer you to the above question! :wink:
Desailly - 32 and came to Chelsea to see out his days with a big pension Given along with a few others to demonstrate quality players in the prem during that period, which he was - but if this criteria is applicable then the same should apply to the likes of Aguero and D Silva today for comparison purposes
Yorke - good but not ‘great’ Top 10 in FIFA World Player of the Year in 1999. Again, refer to above question!

You missed Henry, Giggs and Scholes off the top of the list by the way!

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blahblah wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 00:18
thebillfella wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 00:14
bluenosey wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:39
There was an Irish lad who was part of Man United's Class of 92. Supposed to have been the best of the lot. But got wiped out in a reserve game by a Blackburn player, I think. Someone will know on here.
You may be referring to Ben Thornley, but not sure he was Irish (may be wrong?) unless you are confusing him with Keith Gillespie (the makeweight for the Andy Cole transfer)?
No he was totally "unknown" ie broke before "breaking". I've heard of both of those but he broke at 16 or 17 ie when ripping up the yoofs.

I only heard of him through an article....
Adrian Doherty? Never saw him to be honest.

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Desailly and Essien were brilliant.

Our top flight was so POMO and hoofball centric that it screwed the National side from 1970 onwards, when we didn't qualify for WC's and Euros.

There is a case that the rest if Europe didn't take the Club stuff seriously, and yes Ipswich would probably have won it in 82 if we had stopped Villa from winning the title.

There is a lot of rewriting history going on here hic.

I draw the line at Andrew Cole (who I more than rated at the time) and Jordan's .... being called world class etc.

I'd put almost all of Revie's Leeds side above so many and the Dutch early 70s mob, and Mueller, Breitner, Franz... And that's before the 1970 Brazilians and 1978 Argies with their great hair.

Oh the Italians in 1982 were the best and took out Brazil and Argentina with Maradonna.

Oops I missed the best French side where Schumacher paralysed some frog and didn't he sent off...

But then I always liked the East European sides and blow me if they won anything since 1966.

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thebillfella wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 00:36
blahblah wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 00:18
thebillfella wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 00:14
bluenosey wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:39
There was an Irish lad who was part of Man United's Class of 92. Supposed to have been the best of the lot. But got wiped out in a reserve game by a Blackburn player, I think. Someone will know on here.
You may be referring to Ben Thornley, but not sure he was Irish (may be wrong?) unless you are confusing him with Keith Gillespie (the makeweight for the Andy Cole transfer)?
No he was totally "unknown" ie broke before "breaking". I've heard of both of those but he broke at 16 or 17 ie when ripping up the yoofs.

I only heard of him through an article....
Adrian Doherty? Never saw him to be honest.
Could be, and I doubt many did but the one I read about was beyond brilliant...

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Zimmerman wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 19:46 Chelsea
Ed de Goey
Gianfranco Zola
Dan Petrescu
Frank Leboeuf
Graeme Le Saux
Roberto Di Matteo
Marcel Desailly
Tore Andre Flo
Celestine Babayaro
Albert Ferrer
Gustavo Poyet
Dennis Wise
Michael Duberry
Bjarne Goldbæk
Jody Morris
Bernard Lambourde
Gianluca Vialli
Mark Nicholls
Pierluigi Casiraghi
Mikael Forssell
Brian Laudrup
Eddie Newton
John Terry
Dmitri Kharine
Andy Myers
Kevin Hitchcock
Neil Clement
Luca Percassi
Jon Harley

11/29 Brits
That was the team that got really got me into football, more specifically the 2 years before when they won the FA Cup and CWC.

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thebillfella wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 00:05
forestfan wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 20:56
bluenosey wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 20:52
blahblah wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 20:43 Le Tiss was sublimely brilliant, he just chose to knock back SAF and do what nearly all fans want ie stayed with them.....
Agree, he was superb. A travesty he got one poxy half game for England :(
Perhaps a classic big fish in a small pond who might have sunk without trace at a big club?

Anyway, some names in those lists I haven’t heard for a while, and a handful that I don’t remember at all!
How young are you?!!!
I’m more than old enough to remember that era, just commenting on a few of the (presumably) third choice keepers and youngsters who never broke through...

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blahblah wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 00:50 Desailly and Essien were brilliant.

Our top flight was so POMO and hoofball centric that it screwed the National side from 1970 onwards, when we didn't qualify for WC's and Euros.

There is a case that the rest if Europe didn't take the Club stuff seriously, and yes Ipswich would probably have won it in 82 if we had stopped Villa from winning the title.

There is a lot of rewriting history going on here hic.

I draw the line at Andrew Cole (who I more than rated at the time) and Jordan's .... being called world class etc.

I'd put almost all of Revie's Leeds side above so many and the Dutch early 70s mob, and Mueller, Breitner, Franz... And that's before the 1970 Brazilians and 1978 Argies with their great hair.

Oh the Italians in 1982 were the best and took out Brazil and Argentina with Maradonna.

Oops I missed the best French side where Schumacher paralysed some frog and didn't he sent off...

But then I always liked the East European sides and blow me if they won anything since 1966.
Brazil 82 will always be the best team ever, although I'm happy to a accept second fiddle behind their 1970 team.

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thebillfella wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 00:14
bluenosey wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:39
There was an Irish lad who was part of Man United's Class of 92. Supposed to have been the best of the lot. But got wiped out in a reserve game by a Blackburn player, I think. Someone will know on here.
You may be referring to Ben Thornley, but not sure he was Irish (may be wrong?) unless you are confusing him with Keith Gillespie (the makeweight for the Andy Cole transfer)?
Thanks.

I think I've merged Ben Thornley and Adrian Doherty into one, but injury cutting short their careers applies to both.

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Would be nice to have that Villa squad now. If they were the same age of course.

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bluenosey wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 13:43
thebillfella wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 00:14
bluenosey wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 21:39
There was an Irish lad who was part of Man United's Class of 92. Supposed to have been the best of the lot. But got wiped out in a reserve game by a Blackburn player, I think. Someone will know on here.
You may be referring to Ben Thornley, but not sure he was Irish (may be wrong?) unless you are confusing him with Keith Gillespie (the makeweight for the Andy Cole transfer)?
Thanks.

I think I've merged Ben Thornley and Adrian Doherty into one, but injury cutting short their careers applies to both.
Yeah, Doherty appears to be the Irish one who I remember reading the story of a few years ago, though never heard of him at the time. Injuries scuppered his career, and he sadly died in a canal in Amsterdam at just 27.

Thornley (who I do remember making sub appearances around the same time as Beckham, Scholes, Butt, Neville etc.) was the one injured by a Blackburn player, though he did sustain a career at lower levels. Apparently now a commentator for MUTV...

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blahblah wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 00:10
thebillfella wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 00:04
blahblah wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 20:41 Erm it wasn't...
This!

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That was to the Prem was stronger then.
Ah, ok, I thought you were advising that my original assertion wasn't that the Prem was better then than now (as it wasn't). My assertion was that Europe's elite team were superior then (or at the very least had more world class players than they do today); partially because they had more spending power relative to the Prem than they do today but also because there just seemed to be more world class talent to go around then than today IMO.

So really what we should be doing is looking back at the top Spanish / Italian / German sides then and comparing with now. I think we can certainly say for 1 that the Milan team of today isn't what it used to be.

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So winning the domestic title with 79 points against a load of weak sides (and an FA Cup against even weaker sides) isn’t that great an achievement ;)

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Didn't say that either you WUM!!! :D

You do understand the difference between Champions League and Premier League don't you (actually to a Liverpool fan you probably don't know there is more than one trophy on offer there :wink: ) :D

If you want to put it into Premier League comparison alone why don't you list say the top 50 Premier League players of all time and calculate how many of them played then versus how many play today? I'm confident I know which era will have the Lion's share!

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