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matmutte wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 11:44 Dont know about his bottle throwing thing and dont really care but watching the game it struck me how far he is from last year's performance. Maybe an off night but ball control, first yards acceleration, etc...is really not at par with his FPL price tag.
Shoulder hurts, unstable and it’s on his mind all game. If he injured it again he’s fkd

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FootballFanatic wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 12:19If they didn’t do an arthrogram they might not know about a potential labrum tear. Difficult to say without knowing the process they went trough. The shoulder might be more damaged than they realise, hence it taking so long to sort.
Amazing that a top football club didn't go to a specialist who might have thought of that......



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FootballFanatic wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 12:19
No Way Jose wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 09:20
Stu255 wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 09:02
No Way Jose wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 07:05 Yeah they are less common but do happen and the surgery would have been done to speed things up. Having watched him injure it and seeing how they’ve taped it, it’s an AC joint injury.

If he’d had a GH dislocation or bankart etc then he would be taped differently in a way to stabilize that joint and stop that happening again, but he’s not
OK, so presuming it is an AC joint injury (I have very little knowledge of sport injuries), and he went to Spain for an operation to speed up his recovery… Would you expect to see the player with the shoulder taped up 16 weeks later?
You say it might be for psychological reasons, but that’s maybe even more concerning?

Quick Google search suggests 3-4 weeks recovery time for such an injury. What potential complications are there that might lead to an extended recovery period?
One thing my search threw up… is that range of motion can be permanently restricted after sustaining this kind of injury.

I honestly don’t know, but it seems to me that this injury is an ongoing drag factor on Salah.
Just the act of having to sit on a physio table before every game to get it taped up and be reminded of the UCL final and world cup would be a sports psychologists worst nightmare. Although it might motivate the rest of the time to go above and beyond (team v’s world mentality).

To me this seems to explain Liverpool’s season so far.
No as I said before I find it quite interesting that he still has it taped. I haven’t seen him react or move out of pain though so hard to comment.

Think of it as a safety blanket more than something he’d actively be thinking much about. It’s a big part of sport and something every top player would be used to.

The main issue re the 16 weeks is if he’s had a recurrence of the injury at the WC or in preseason. All guess work but I can confirm it’s AC not GH
If they didn’t do an arthrogram they might not know about a potential labrum tear. Difficult to say without knowing the process they went trough. The shoulder might be more damaged than they realise, hence it taking so long to sort.
Definitely possible but from my experience with teams in Australia they pretty much scan every injury to first team players straight away and see top of the line specialists. I'd expect they are getting correct care but sometimes we get it wrong

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murf wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 12:25
FootballFanatic wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 12:19If they didn’t do an arthrogram they might not know about a potential labrum tear. Difficult to say without knowing the process they went trough. The shoulder might be more damaged than they realise, hence it taking so long to sort.
Amazing that a top football club didn't go to a specialist who might have thought of that......



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No Way Jose wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 12:27
FootballFanatic wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 12:19
No Way Jose wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 09:20
Stu255 wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 09:02
No Way Jose wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 07:05 Yeah they are less common but do happen and the surgery would have been done to speed things up. Having watched him injure it and seeing how they’ve taped it, it’s an AC joint injury.

If he’d had a GH dislocation or bankart etc then he would be taped differently in a way to stabilize that joint and stop that happening again, but he’s not
OK, so presuming it is an AC joint injury (I have very little knowledge of sport injuries), and he went to Spain for an operation to speed up his recovery… Would you expect to see the player with the shoulder taped up 16 weeks later?
You say it might be for psychological reasons, but that’s maybe even more concerning?

Quick Google search suggests 3-4 weeks recovery time for such an injury. What potential complications are there that might lead to an extended recovery period?
One thing my search threw up… is that range of motion can be permanently restricted after sustaining this kind of injury.

I honestly don’t know, but it seems to me that this injury is an ongoing drag factor on Salah.
Just the act of having to sit on a physio table before every game to get it taped up and be reminded of the UCL final and world cup would be a sports psychologists worst nightmare. Although it might motivate the rest of the time to go above and beyond (team v’s world mentality).

To me this seems to explain Liverpool’s season so far.
No as I said before I find it quite interesting that he still has it taped. I haven’t seen him react or move out of pain though so hard to comment.

Think of it as a safety blanket more than something he’d actively be thinking much about. It’s a big part of sport and something every top player would be used to.

The main issue re the 16 weeks is if he’s had a recurrence of the injury at the WC or in preseason. All guess work but I can confirm it’s AC not GH
If they didn’t do an arthrogram they might not know about a potential labrum tear. Difficult to say without knowing the process they went trough. The shoulder might be more damaged than they realise, hence it taking so long to sort.
Definitely possible but from my experience with teams in Australia they pretty much scan every injury to first team players straight away and see top of the line specialists. I'd expect they are getting correct care but sometimes we get it wrong
You are right. But not sure if they would go for the arthrogram off the bat if they’ve picked up something else with a standard mri. Difficult to know without being there. Assuming they did XRay plus MRI. Something isn’t right though. Hopefully he gets it sorted for his own good and the good of my FF team :lol:

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Something isn't right sure, but everyone is definitely overanalysing it. We are yet to see him actually in pain or with reduced rate of movement and people are creating all sorts of theories :lol

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Not mention trying to search for an explanation for a performance issue that isn’t there. He is averaging just shy of 6 pts per game, and has the stats of a 7pts per game player. Had he scored just one more goal in the first 5 games he would be on 7pts per game.


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Footballers do tend to be very cautious with old injuries (Cech face mask springs to mind) and Salah must know that there are some players out there who will make a point of giving him an extra wallop knowing it might hurt him, or make him wary of challenges, or just remind him of the diasspointment of having to go off in the CL Final. Of course, these pictures may make matters worse. Anyone thinking he was totally over it will now be suspecting otherwise and the challenges might get more tasty.

He is scoring points just fine this season. But to me he does not look fully confident and if he did I would reckon he would be scoring at 8-9 points a game, especially during the run Liverpool are on at the moment. And he knows it, which is making the frustration worse.

Be interesting to see what happens at the weekend. Assuming the physical side of the injury is minimal, he probably just needs a couple of games where he scores early on and plays to his full ability and he will be back on last year's form. Maybe Southampton at home is the perfect opportunity. Or maybe one game is not enough.

On a related note, I wonder how many footballers are aware of their transfer in and transfer out rates on FPL? If I was Salah and last year heard that everyone wanted me in their fantasy team, my confidence would be sky high. Likewise, the opposite might hold true?

Or do too many of us just want a story where there isn't one?

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xJosh- wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 11:37
ajcairns wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 10:14
Mardy wrote: 18 Sep 2018, 22:35 That video suggests his shoulder has a chip on it. Maybe that's what's under the bandage
Great first post by the way. Overlooked in this thread of mainly meaningless (to the layman) medical jargon.


He chose to do the shirt change in front of the Kop. To me that is an issue. Rather than it actually hurting him, he perhaps wants people to think that it's still bothering him in some way.

I haven't heard anything but have the Liverpool fans been on his case at all? Is he reminding them of a reason (excuse) why he's not on at least 10 goals already?
He just had an undershirt on and took it off at the corner, I think that's reading too much into it tbh.
I just thought it was so out of place and such an odd thing to do there, at that time. Can’t remember anyone ever doing anything remotely like that before at a moment when they would know there was definitely a camera on them.

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He looks finished to me. I just sold him for Alexis.

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Is this not just being looked into WAY too much? I'm no physio expert but a lot of people throughout this thread seem to have a very good understanding of these types of injuries. Based on what the majority have said its pretty clear that the injury is the less serious shoulder one which should have healed by now but rightly so could have gone through the world cup and still be niggling because playing football would still irritate the injury slightly dependant on circumstances.

I don't know about anyone else but from personal experience playing with something like a shoulder/hand injury etc is a pain in the arse and you can feel it constantly but that's basically it. It doesn't affect how you strike a ball, your first touch etc all the things that we are seeing lacking from Salah atm.

As someone has clearly stated he is still getting 6 points per game on average and it could be more, this is a very good return but from an FPL point of view not one which warrants 13m which is the main thing everyone is trying to understand. I think at the moment we need to accept that he is just performing below his form last season and lets be fair to him its more due to the fact that that form was RIDICULOUS. He was untouchable and everything he did turned to gold, practically every turn, every pass, every run worked out for him. Its an unfair expectation to expect any player that's not Messi or Ronaldo to replicate that type of form again.

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Patrician wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 12:47 Not mention trying to search for an explanation for a performance issue that isn’t there. He is averaging just shy of 6 pts per game, and has the stats of a 7pts per game player. Had he scored just one more goal in the first 5 games he would be on 7pts per game.


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Yep, and people seem to have forgotten just how many "easy" (my eye test no fancy stat stuff) chances that he missed last season, but have the difference in Price Tags in mind......

The main thing that I have noticed is the lack of chances and possibly trying to hard, which is a Fwd's nightmare, imho, re finishing*.

If that, incorrectly imho, disallowed goal had been allowed then would this thread be so popular?

That typed: I like the Medical stuff, and I thought there was some anger in the bottle thing.

*This was the point re Kane a season or two back during an August before a certain Bournemouth(?) match. As an aside re Kane and August: whoever he scored against this season, he has always scored against :wink:

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Diddums has got a cold now and wants the world to know it.

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blahblah wrote: 20 Sep 2018, 12:45
Patrician wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 12:47 Not mention trying to search for an explanation for a performance issue that isn’t there. He is averaging just shy of 6 pts per game, and has the stats of a 7pts per game player. Had he scored just one more goal in the first 5 games he would be on 7pts per game.


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Yep, and people seem to have forgotten just how many "easy" (my eye test no fancy stat stuff) chances that he missed last season, but have the difference in Price Tags in mind......

The main thing that I have noticed is the lack of chances and possibly trying to hard, which is a Fwd's nightmare, imho, re finishing*.

If that, incorrectly imho, disallowed goal had been allowed then would this thread be so popular?
Tbh I don't think it would've made a difference no, I still thought when he scored "Still not playing well though just right place right time" if you're talking about the PSG game anyway.

The thing is he did miss "easy" chances but he scored more than enough to make up for them. Now its kind of gone back to "normal" where he's getting less chances and therefore only converting 1/4 chances instead of 2-3/10 (random numbers just an example) It's more like having Sterling +2m atm in my eyes. Sterling could regularly have games where he'd miss 3 1v1s, a tap in and some half chances but get a goal and an assist and keep us happy. Spurs at the end of last season comes to mind. If Salah is doing that for 13m then he's potentially not worth the 13m even if he's scoring well generally.

Personally I've got rid a few weeks back and haven't regretted it yet but the second he has a game where he looks back to his old ways he will go back in, until then he's not worth it IMO.

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ajcairns wrote: 20 Sep 2018, 22:04 Diddums has got a cold now and wants the world to know it.
Smiling with a box of lemsip at the same time. Mind games with the FPL community. Beware of Egyptians bearing tablets.

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