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He is closer to West Ham's financial position than the top six, and because of the relatively small squad size was almost obliged to play his world cup stars from game one, there was noone else.

They had more in the World Cup semis than any other club and a significant number have just had to continue right through from game one of the new season, they just don't have enough cover and are forced to play Foyth etc when injuries strike.

Their first eleven can compete, but he's perhaps aimed too high and set his sights on doing well in the major trophies, the league and champions league, injuries to Kane, Ali and Son denied him any real chance in the lesser ones. The squad isn't anything like good enough.

He's forced to look in the 'West Ham' market for signings and doesn't have any real ties or special links with super agents (Jorge Mendes at Wolves) to help.

There's the top five (six) and their level of players in the transfer market and there's the rest of the league who shop in different lesser supermarkets. Spurs have always been closer to the rest and now have an additional straightjacket to wear.

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thebillfella wrote: 17 Mar 2019, 13:29
liquidfootball2 wrote: 17 Mar 2019, 12:51
The media will equate Spurs with the top clubs even if on finances they have no right to, and shouldn't really be competing with City, Liverpool, Utd, Chelsea or even Arsenal. They've failed to invest in the last two or three windows really, and hardly at the top table when they do (Sissoko?).
I'm not sure this is entirely true though liquid in terms of finances alone - Spurs' total revenue is very similar to Arsenal's and less than the likes of Juventus, Athletico, Dortmund and the Milans. Granted United's revenue is on another level, but Spurs' income is on another level compared to Leicester say so that wasn't the reason they didn't win anything that year for example.

Two bad results in one week and suddenly Solksjaer has lost it and Pogba is shit again! The next month's worth of fixtures is going to be tough, especially if the injury situation doesn't improve as the ones currently holding the fort look knackered (the pace of our game in the last two fixtures plummeted especially yesterday). Let's just see how things pan out at the end of the season before we all get too knee-jerky...
Definitely agree on the Leicester point, such a chance was a freak but was a chance nevertheless. Yes its relative to an extent as premier league clubs as a whole are far richer than in other leagues and is perhaps why they've been so successful in Europe this season too, it had to come it was only a matter of when.

Yes there is a large danger of letting bad results affect the mood and I did try and stress that in my first post. I perhaps did come across as too condemnatory of Olé's achievements in putting Pochettino's case but it was really only to further stress the cautionary note of being swept away by either positive or negative results.

Pogba had a poor game, he certainly hasn't reverted to his earlier poor form as it is just one game and Lingard and Martial did look short on fitness so there's plenty of mitigation. He has still had a huge upturn in form recently.

Fully agree, waiting is the best policy and Olé has put forward a powerful case for himself. They need to be sure of their decision and perhaps Woodward is especially aware of this after previous appointments, which haven't always been as successful as he'd hoped.

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thebillfella wrote: 17 Mar 2019, 13:29 Spurs' total revenue is very similar to Arsenal's and more than the likes of Juventus, Athletico, Dortmund and the Milans. Granted United's revenue is on another level, but Spurs' income is on another level compared to Leicester say so that wasn't the reason they didn't win anything that year for example.
It isn't the finances that are "forcing them to look in the West Ham market" when they have more revenue than those other European giants. They are shopping in the Arsenal market as their revenues are within £10m of each other according to Deloitte.

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Net spend since 08/09
Zimmerman wrote: 03 Mar 2019, 14:44 Since 08/09:

City 985m
Chelsea £564m
United £540m
Liverpool £250m
Arsenal £218m
Everton £174m
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thebillfella wrote: 17 Mar 2019, 13:54
thebillfella wrote: 17 Mar 2019, 13:29 Spurs' total revenue is very similar to Arsenal's and more than the likes of Juventus, Athletico, Dortmund and the Milans. Granted United's revenue is on another level, but Spurs' income is on another level compared to Leicester say so that wasn't the reason they didn't win anything that year for example.
It isn't the finances that are "forcing them to look in the West Ham market" when they have more revenue than those other European giants. They are shopping in the Arsenal market as their revenues are within £10m of each other according to Deloitte.
As Arsenal had to cope when they built the Emirates, Spurs new stadium in our capital city is, and will, exert a significant financial burden.

People used to criticise Arsene Wenger for not spending, but to see Arsenal win the Wenger trophy year after year through the build was some achievement, one that perhaps should be given more recognition. Arsenal have been a top four club for almost all of the last twenty years, they have an excellent name recognition throughout Europe, people know who they are.

Spurs have had a recent moratorium on transfer spending imposed, and although in recent years they have mostly qualified for the champions league, they are a far newer name on the block, a less recognisable name to many abroad, they haven't the Arsenal pedigree, they may not be as attractive a proposition for foreign players who wouldn't look twice before going to Arsenal.

Its important to also stress just how restrictive Spurs' strict wage structure is too, some of Spurs stars could earn massive pay rises through moving to another top six club, Spurs pay significantly less and are relatively unattractive for anyone financially motivated. They may therefore have to inflate the transfer fee to attract a player

The stadium build does exert a straitjacket on spending, it is beginning to exert its influence and will take a huge chunk from the available revenue, building in London isn't cheap.

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Some of these journalists are obviously avid followers of this thread.

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Mauricio Pochettino has been the man for Manchester United for years - Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's success has not changed that

The first thing to say is that this column really would have outlined the same argument even if Manchester United had cantered to a 4-0 win at Molineux on Saturday. For just as the avalanche of ‘give it to him now’ arguments were flawed in the immediate aftermath of the thrilling but still fortuitous victory over Paris St Germain earlier this month, it would be ludicrous to now base any judgments on Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s suitability to become Manchester United manager permanently on a first sequence of back-to-back defeats.

But the bottom line persists. Short perhaps of winning the Champions League - and even then there should be a long debate - there is little that Solskjaer can realistically do between now and the end of the season that would make him a superior overall candidate than Mauricio Pochettino.

Yes, Solskjaer has brilliantly injected a feelgood factor that has lifted United from the miserable shadow that Jose Mourinho had come to cast. And yes, he seems to connect well with already wealthy and established young footballers. Paul Ince’s suggestion that other past club legends could have done the same job is patently flawed. Solskjaer has also made a compelling case to be seriously considered if Pochettino does not want to leave Tottenham or his chairman Daniel Levy simply made negotiations impossible. But none of this makes him better equipped for the longer-term challenge that awaits at United and the desperate need for the club to find an identity that is wedded to rather more than the board’s latest impulse.

The big job is to start recruiting and developing young talent we have currently never heard of. It is to mould what are now little more than prospects into world-class talent. It is to instil standards, levels of fitness and a style of play that endures. It is to renew and, where necessary, ruthlessly discard. Put simply, it is to reestablish the sort of deep-rooted culture that will underpin not just an initial surge of momentum but the foundation for Manchester United to get back to where they belong in consistently presenting the main domestic challenge to Manchester City and a serial Champions League contender.

This is what both their history and vast resources demand. Would Solskjaer deliver any of this over a sustained period? Maybe, but we don’t really know because the job he has been doing so well for the last three months has been something very different.

There are of course no guarantees with Pochettino but every shred of available evidence since he arrived in the Premier League six years ago provides more certainty. He collectively made both Southampton and Tottenham so much more than the sum of their individual parts and, while a small asterisk may persist over the lack of a trophy, it is a minor point in the wider context of their progress.

The cost of potentially getting Pochettino out of Tottenham where he has a contract until 2023 is of course significant but an estimated £42 million compensation bill would surely still represents value in the context of some of United’s on-field spending.

In any case, as Chelsea and Southampton respectively discovered when they formalised the appointments of Roberto di Matteo and Mark Hughes on the basis of a short-term bounce, the easy decision can also come with significant financial pain.

And, with Tottenham also in the Champions League quarter-final and three points ahead of Manchester United in the Premier League on a fraction of the budget, the wider context is surely clear. Pochettino was the best choice when United mistakenly opted for Mourinho back in 2016 and nothing much has changed.

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Can't disagree with a lot of that to be fair. Levy is and will be the big elephant in the room if Woodward decides to go for Poch, and if that falls through publically the whole thing could backfire. Will be an interesting next few months.

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thebillfella wrote:Can't disagree with a lot of that to be fair. Levy is and will be the big elephant in the room if Woodward decides to go for Poch, and if that falls through publically the whole thing could backfire. Will be an interesting next few months.
If they go for Poch there will be a huge elephant in the room. Or more likely the looming spectre of a small Norwegian being remembered through rose tinted specs who would "never have lost that game" etc etc

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murf wrote: 19 Mar 2019, 12:34
thebillfella wrote:Can't disagree with a lot of that to be fair. Levy is and will be the big elephant in the room if Woodward decides to go for Poch, and if that falls through publically the whole thing could backfire. Will be an interesting next few months.
If they go for Poch there will be a huge elephant in the room. Or more likely the looming spectre of a small Norwegian being remembered through rose tinted specs who would "never have lost that game" etc etc
Exactly this,

Nevertheless they really have to do what is best for their long term future, but you're right, at least initially, any setbacks will always be viewed in the light of what OGS would have achieved, that shadow of hypothetical achievement would always hang over him.

United supporters want to support a winning team more than anything, preferably one that wins playing the 'United way', but they must at least win more often than not. Like any manager, if he wins, the background noise will just fade away . The pressure for any manager will be intense but on all available evidence Poch improves teams and their prospects, and at United that means winning trophies

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For the experts: what are you putting the results down to?

A hit after PSG?
Fatigue? (Lack of conditioning etc? Are they running more or less under Ole?)
Shit tactics?
End of the "bounce" and the players cut be assed?
Others....

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blahblah wrote:For the experts: what are you putting the results down to?

A hit after PSG?
Fatigue? (Lack of conditioning etc? Are they running more or less under Ole?)
Shit tactics?
End of the "bounce" and the players cut be assed?
Others....
Players failing to self motivate except for big games now bounce is over. Back to lazy Jose era ways now the excitement of Ole has died down. The Wenger Cup and FA Cup don't cut it.

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murf wrote: 20 Mar 2019, 12:22
blahblah wrote:For the experts: what are you putting the results down to?

A hit after PSG?
Fatigue? (Lack of conditioning etc? Are they running more or less under Ole?)
Shit tactics?
End of the "bounce" and the players cut be assed?
Others....
Players failing to self motivate except for big games now bounce is over. Back to lazy Jose era ways now the excitement of Ole has died down. The Wenger Cup and FA Cup don't cut it.
Sounds like me a week after the Brecit vote

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It's highly dangerous to get carried away or read too much into three largely transformative months or even the recent couple of disappointing results, and one well below par performance.

For me, even had they won their last two and continued the amazing run, OGS would still possibly be only the second best candidate for the job, but then he's by far the easiest to appoint.

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United make Olé's position permanent.

Three year contract.

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Surprised they've made the decision now rather than at the end of the season tbh.

Hopefully that also means Micky P is also appointed as his no. 2.

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thebillfella wrote: 28 Mar 2019, 09:12 Surprised they've made the decision now rather than at the end of the season tbh.

Hopefully that also means Micky P is also appointed as his no. 2.
You would have to think so.

No real details yet other than the usual waffle when a new manager says what a wonderful club....etc, etc, etc


'Ole appointed permanent Utd manager'

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Very odd timing. Pretty sure he’d have been ok waiting until the end of the season.

Like Olè so I hope it works out for him.

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It stops the whole "players not trying as manager is leaving" stuff, and also avoids it actually happening.

It can also help them with negotiations for players?

It makes more sense than di Matteo at Chelsea, imho, who did an excellent impression of a fish out of water.

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blahblah wrote: 28 Mar 2019, 10:51

It makes more sense than di Matteo at Chelsea, imho, who did an excellent impression of a fish out of water.
Yes it's often been said that John Terry at al were the real managers and it was they alone who really devised their strategy for beating Barca and Bayern and winning their first ever Champions league. It was absolutely wonderful for di Matteo's CV of course, where it not for the lingering impression that he had very little input into achieving it.

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They needed to make this commitment as Ole will need to have start looking at players to bring in, and shift out, around about now. I'm delighted.

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Let's hope Ole learns from LvG's advice and starts playing his exciting attacking football rather than Ole's boring defensive park-the-bus counter attack football :shock: :o :roll:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47 ... y6ODCzeUdo

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liquidfootball2 wrote: 28 Mar 2019, 14:09
blahblah wrote: 28 Mar 2019, 10:51

It makes more sense than di Matteo at Chelsea, imho, who did an excellent impression of a fish out of water.
Yes it's often been said that John Terry at al were the real managers and it was they alone who really devised their strategy for beating Barca and Bayern and winning their first ever Champions league. It was absolutely wonderful for di Matteo's CV of course, where it not for the lingering impression that he had very little input into achieving it.
Yep, hasn’t really given him any sort of leg up (one season at Schalke and about six games at Villa). He’s confined to the managerial scrap heap already it seems.

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thebillfella wrote: 28 Mar 2019, 15:16 Let's hope Ole learns from LvG's advice and starts playing his exciting attacking football rather than Ole's boring defensive park-the-bus counter attack football :shock: :o :roll:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47 ... y6ODCzeUdo

That's some tinted glasses Louis is wearing there :!:
He’s not wrong though is he?


The coach after me [Mourinho] changed to park-the-bus tactics and played on the counter. Now there is another coach who parks the bus and plays on the counter. The main difference between Mourinho and Solskjaer is that Solskjaer is winning.

"I am not there but there does look to be a change and the atmosphere seems to be better. It is also true that Solskjaer has changed Paul Pogba's position and put him into an area where he is much more important.

"But the way Manchester United are playing now is not the way Ferguson played. It is defensive, counter-attacking football. If you like it, you like it. If you think it is more exciting than my boring attacking, OK. But it is not my truth


United success has come as a result of resolute defending and playing on the break.

Certainly the games against Arsenal, Chelsea and PSG were like that. Liverpool too (although injuries could be argued affected them).

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Arguably they are shite defensively and have to play like that against clubs they can not dominate anymore?

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Yes cutting his cloth and all that... but as LvG suggests in the article, the press and pundits analyse the results and not the performance.

Everyone suggests there is a different brand of football being played under Ole. They’re definitely playing with a smile and more confidence - time will tell if the style is actually different. Maybe once he has all his players available he will look to dominate teams more (martial, lingard et al being injured isn’t going to help). A midfield of McTom and Pereira isn’t doing to be that dynamic is it (or a midfield without Pogba and Matic).

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Zimmerman wrote: 28 Mar 2019, 15:31
He’s not wrong though is he?
Er, yes, he is!

Mourinho played park the bus, but Ole has the team 10 yards further up the pitch where possible not sitting back as suggested. The players are running further, working harder and attacking faster; not the mundane slow predictable build-up experienced under both Mourinho AND LvG.

The atmosphere is better because the football is far more enjoyable/ exciting than it was under the previous 3 managers (and yes it may sometimes be limited to the ability of the players available and cloth cut accordingly as say vs. PSG).

LvG's football (and I am talking the performances here not the results) was neither attacking nor exciting; it was turgid and difficult to watch - he's trying to reinvent history here but I for one am having none of it as my memory hasn't failed that much yet (I doubt I'll be in the minority with United fans either!)!

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He maybe reinventing his tenure* but I’m not sure he is being too disengenuous about the current set up.

*cutting your cloth and all that, what did LvG have to work with?

Schneiderlain
Fellaini
Valencia (was he still a midfielder then)
Young (midfield/winger)
Hernandez
Janujaz
A less experienced Lingard
A very young Rashford
An injured/past his best Schweinsteiger
A past his best Carrick
A past his best Rooney
Depay and Di Maria who never took to it

You can’t even roll that lot in glitter.

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thebillfella wrote: 28 Mar 2019, 18:00(I doubt I'll be in the minority with United fans either!)!
You won't be. If LVG's football had been half as good as his press conferences, he might still be there.

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Zimmerman wrote: 28 Mar 2019, 18:09 He maybe reinventing his tenure* but I’m not sure he is being too disengenuous about the current set up.

*cutting your cloth and all that, what did LvG have to work with?

Schneiderlain
Fellaini
Valencia (was he still a midfielder then)
Young (midfield/winger)
Hernandez
Janujaz
A less experienced Lingard
A very young Rashford
An injured/past his best Schweinsteiger
A past his best Carrick
A past his best Rooney
Depay and Di Maria who never took to it

You can’t even roll that lot in glitter.
He spent £248m Zim. He had plenty of cloth to cut he just bought the wrong cloth!

Martial, Shaw and Herrera came in under his tenure and they have done ok under Ole but LvG didn't get the best from them.

Di Maria, Falcao and Depay were high money disasters and Schweiny / Schneiderlin were cheaper but not much better. Blind, Darmian and Romero were nothing more than squad players.

Of all his signings only Martial and Shaw were what I would classify as a traditional United signing - young and hungry, making the step up with bags of potential, something still to prove and plenty of room to develop into a top player with the right environment / coaching.

If he / Ewar had spent more wisely then he wouldn't have had to cut his cloth so much, and quite frankly he was cutting the cloth all wrong anyway!!!

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