is wanye rooney world class ?

Post by **Darbyand** » 11 Oct 2016, 11:32

buu1333 wrote:
Let his football do the talking , not his money. if he is playing badly which he is , drop him for a bit. or make him come of the bench later on

One thing that surprises me is the idea that this is some prolonged slump in "form". Do people think that with the right system/formation/tactics etc he'll come roaring back to his 2009-10 level?? In the last 12 months I've seen him play in pretty much every position he's eligible for and whilst United/England haven't been great there's still been some decent performances....but not from him. I've never been more convinced this is similar to, say, Gerrard in 2015. Legs gone, time to move on. Or Cantona who retired shortly before his 31st birthday when he was still performing at a much higher level than Rooney and without the need to hide in midfield.

Post by **mad dog** » 11 Oct 2016, 18:22

Rooney reminds me of my mate robbie. About ten years ago he wasn't a bad looking fella. Slim and in good shape. His misses was also fit and pretty trim.

Fast forward ten years. Robbie's misses is still fit but robbie is a fat bustard now who buys his clothes from Jacamo. He's had too many late nights and he's a bit fked.

Now like Rooney my mate is no longer up to the standard required and needs to step aside for a younger man to do the job instead.

Plenty of options to replace Rooney take your pick. Hes not a decent striker anymore and what's the point of him hiding in midfield.

Post by **Zimmerman** » 11 Oct 2016, 19:15

Is this you making a play for Coleen or your mates bird? I'm confused.

Post by **mad dog** » 11 Oct 2016, 20:17

Zimmerman wrote:Is this you making a play for Coleen or your mates bird? I'm confused.

My mates misses. She has bigger tits.

Post by **forestfan** » 11 Oct 2016, 20:19

Would "Wanye" have made a backpass as Dier as Eric's was?

Post by **thebillfella** » 11 Oct 2016, 21:15

Shite thus far tonight. All Rooney's fault of course...

Post by **Darbyand** » 11 Oct 2016, 21:43

mad dog wrote:
Zimmerman wrote:Is this you making a play for Coleen or your mates bird? I'm confused.

My mates misses. She has bigger tits.

"pics or it didn't happen" as the kids say these days.

Post by **murf** » 11 Oct 2016, 21:51

That worked well then

(dropping Rooney not Sad Dog's fantasies!)

Post by **mad dog** » 12 Oct 2016, 06:04

Darbyand wrote:
mad dog wrote:
Zimmerman wrote:Is this you making a play for Coleen or your mates bird? I'm confused.

My mates misses. She has bigger tits.
"pics or it didn't happen" as the kids say these days.

Post by **bspittles** » 12 Oct 2016, 08:26

A picture of Dier in 10 years time...

Post by **murf** » 12 Oct 2016, 16:44

bspittles wrote:A picture of Dier in 10 years time...

...is he going down the Kellie/Frank Maloney route then?

Post by **thebillfella** » 13 Oct 2016, 09:13

Whisper it (as it won't suit the blame layers propoganda!) but England were less poor once Rooney came on the other night!

And there's the problem. It's right to drop rooney but his long term replacements have to start stepping up to the mark sooner rather than later.

Patience needed of course but how many chances do we give Walcott before we ask him to step aside for Rashford to get his chance for example?

Post by **blahblah** » 13 Oct 2016, 09:38

Yep to less poor; but far from good, imho.

We have lacked guile around the box for years, and last night was just as p0or with Walcott being pants; Jesse poor until Walcott went off and Alli trying hard, but getting little help; while Sturridge looked either rusty or confused - Klopp is trying to get him to interchange with the other forwards, yet England wanting him between their CB's. Or at least the "experts" were going on about him staying there.

That said England need to get out of the obsession that qualifying is about steam-rollering sides (and Slovenia were far from a bad side) then get battered in the Comp's. Qualifying is where teams evolve and develop for the Comps, but some thought is needed re players worth keeping and being patient with etc.

I genuinely don't understand the obsession with picking Walcott, but worse was Townsend coming on for him, why was he in the squad and then how did he get on the pitch? He is still obsessed with cutting in on his left foot and shooting: while he did actually go wide and cross with his right foot once. He was also attacking nearly wide with a bit of pace, backing up a defender and looked ready to go round him when he realised he was a yard from the pen box and actually stopped so he could try to go across the box.

Post by **Mav3rick** » 13 Oct 2016, 17:16

I just want to see us play with a plan, one that's identifiable!

If that's getting the best out of Rooney that's fine, if it's playing a pressing style and hitting Vardy on the break that's fine. What I don't like is the total inability of Hodgson, Allardyce (small sample) and now Southgate to pick a tactic and stick to it. They all just pick a number of names and fit them in an XI and let them get on with it, with seemingly no direction whatsoever.

Post by **Zimmerman** » 14 Oct 2016, 14:55

I agree with that (and Blah's comment about building for the tournament as a plan (rather than seeing qualifying as 'the' competition).

How often do we get to the pre-tournament friendlies in May and start dicking about using different formations and/or personnel.

Post by **blahblah** » 14 Oct 2016, 14:57

Zimmerman wrote: How often do we get to the pre-tournament friendlies in May and start dicking about using different formations and/or personnel.

Yep, that is the icing on the cake of imminent failure.

Post by **buu1333** » 16 Nov 2016, 21:07

just seen Wayne Rooney apparently acted inappropriate. never seen so much bull shit. not even news worthy who cares he was at a wedding on day off .if you find that inappropriate then that is sad.

Post by **Zimmerman** » 16 Nov 2016, 21:16

I assume it was inappropriate because it was 72hrs until another international and he was obviously leathered.

In the old days (late 90s maybe), the curfew used to be 48hrs before a match... has that now increased to 72hrs?

Post by **blahblah** » 17 Nov 2016, 09:59

I assume that this was before he was declared "injured" and sent home

Post by **forestfan** » 20 Nov 2016, 11:48

As is nearly always the case, there are footballing reasons behind the media response. Ronaldo (same age) has scored three goals in the last 24 hours, Rooney has scored three since January at club level. If he was performing like Ronaldo/Messi/Suarez then nobody would care that much, but he hasn't been consistently scoring goals or influencing games since Fergie retired. Seeing him in that state at 5am is perhaps symbolic of the way he didn't have the self-discipline to be a world great.

If he wants the English media off his back, he should go and take the riches on offer in China for the next few years.

Post by **thebillfella** » 22 Nov 2016, 18:30

Bit of a sad indictment on our media and society in general that it has to come to that though isn't it.

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Post by **forestfan** » 22 Nov 2016, 19:25

thebillfella wrote:Bit of a sad indictment on our media and society in general that it has to come to that though isn't it.

Well, he's the one choosing to be out on the piss until 5am when he's claiming he's still capable of performing as a top level sportsman. If he had retired, or the media were chasing him around America or China, it would be a different story.

Post by **thebillfella** » 22 Nov 2016, 21:06

He's had a few drinks in the hotel he's staying in with the rest of the squad / staff to the early hours. So what? He's human, and he certainly isn't the first footballer to have a drink.

What none of us know, including the media, is the circumstances behind this. Do we know what he was told he could / couldn't do? Did he already know he wasn't playing on the Tuesday? A total mountain out of a molehill IMO.

Post by **Surprised** » 22 Nov 2016, 22:37

thebillfella wrote:He's had a few drinks in the hotel he's staying in with the rest of the squad / staff to the early hours. So what? He's human, and he certainly isn't the first footballer to have a drink.

What none of us know, including the media, is the circumstances behind this. Do we know what he was told he could / couldn't do? Did he already know he wasn't playing on the Tuesday? A total mountain out of a molehill IMO.

He defied his managers orders.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... ky-sources

Post by **blahblah** » 23 Nov 2016, 12:32

Surprised wrote:
thebillfella wrote:He's had a few drinks in the hotel he's staying in with the rest of the squad / staff to the early hours. So what? He's human, and he certainly isn't the first footballer to have a drink.

What none of us know, including the media, is the circumstances behind this. Do we know what he was told he could / couldn't do? Did he already know he wasn't playing on the Tuesday? A total mountain out of a molehill IMO.

He defied his managers orders.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... ky-sources

As above 5am is not "early hours" for most\nearly all people let alone a "Professional" Sportsperson. I doubt it was only a "few" drinks, as some seem to claim noticeably former\current players. Although I wasn't there and he may have started at 3am - but on the basis that it started the previous evening it seems most likely that it was a bit of a session....

My best guess is that there was no injury and he was sent home "injured" because of this, which happened before it broke on SM?

While Lalla going to a Strip club (with Henderson) and then getting a Groin Strain has a humourous aspect to it: it seems that our footballers are still Jack the Lad's rather than Professional Sportsmen on over £100k a week (obviously excluding the £50k Kane "earns").

Post by **morganb** » 26 Jan 2017, 20:12

He may not be world class but he is now Man Utd's all-time top goalscorer, and in less matches than Charlton too.

Do we think he'll be off to China soon?

Post by **murf** » 26 Jan 2017, 20:40

Wasn't Charlton a midfielder?

Post by **morganb** » 26 Jan 2017, 21:13

murf wrote:Wasn't Charlton a midfielder?

A smidge before my time but ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Charlton

Wikipedia says BC was an
Attacking midfielder
Forward

Whereas his arch nemesis WR is down as
Forward
Midfielder

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Rooney

Perhaps more importantly, was Bobby Charlton considered to be world class?

Post by **thebillfella** » 26 Jan 2017, 22:06

They were both world class at one time in their careers, but neither is world class any longer

Post by **buu1333** » 26 Jan 2017, 23:35

Wanye rooney is world class end of........ put him back on the bench next week though

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