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Small stakes - £25 offline Fantasy Premier League Football draft in Redhill, Surrey on August 2nd at 3pm.

This will be the 7th year I have run this game with my friend McBear.

I am looking to grow this league as I have had some drop outs and decided to open it up to FISO'ers - in the past was worried that you guys are far to good but as the willingness does not seem to be out there amongst my work mates and social friends decided the only way to grow the league and get better myself is to play with the best and those who would really buy into the ethos of what I am trying to do. So by advertising here am hoping can beat the 12 team league record I have for entries and even more so going forward be able to come away from having auto drafters. Last but not least hope I can learn / improve my game.

BLUELIONMAN & McBEAR PREMIER LEAGUE FANTASY FOOTBALL DRAFT GAME - YEAR VII - League Rules


These are the rules for bluelionman (Noel Symonds) and McBear (Douglas Hay) Premiership Fantasy Football Drafting game.

The cost to enter is £25 (payable in advance or on the draft day itself - but before the draft commences).
The draft is set for 3:00pm on Saturday August 2nd 2014 - but would ask all managers to arrive by 2:30pm to be able to get admin out of the way - issuing you a players list, team form, taking payment (from those who have not pre-paid) and sorting out the draft order. Registration will close at 2:45pm to allow the draft positions to be finalised and for the draft to start on time - if this time is going to be a problem please contact me - i.e. you are coming but will be late.
The venue is the Toby Carvery, Redstone Hill, REDHILL, Surrey, RH1 4BL.

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Do check out their website as they do a fantastic Roast Carvery that is cheaper before the evening so why not take advantage and turn up earlier and have lunch first - makes a great lining for the stomach if your gonna hit the beer and if anyone is interested we can go on a pub crawl around Redhill after the draft has concluded?

This pub is located right next to Redhill train station (just across the road from Redhill Royal Mail Delivery Office) so easy to find if you come on the train - just exit the station via platform 3 (which is not the main exit/entrance) and follow the road down the hill (not the steps) and it will come out in a car park that's right in front of the venue. Also if your driving or not a alcohol drinking person this venue has free unlimited refills on Pepsi and Lemonade so just buy your first glass and then keep going and refilling it - they have a machine so you don't even have to queue at the bar. For those traveling by car they do have a small car park.

Now back to the business of fantasy football...

The maximum number of entrants is capped at 20 (to coincide with the real number of teams in the Premiership). However the league will still run with much less entrants but is a case of the more the merrier up to the maximum of 20. We only had 8 entrants last year (the fewest ever has been 6) and the most ever so far has been 12. However I try every year to promote this game to new people and hope all existing managers do too in the hope I can grow this league. The live draft really is the most fun part of the whole season and think all who have partaken in it will agree.

Naturally prizes will depend on how many entrants our league actually gets. All entry fees will be paid back out as prizes.

For example last year with just 8 entrants the prizes were: -

1st - £100
2nd - £40
3rd - £20
2ND HALF - £40



The idea behind the game is to try a different type of fantasy game where no one can have the same players and instead of a budget to spend we do a draft where each manager selects a team of players one at a time taking turns. However like in real life there is only one of each player so when someone selects them no one else can have them as they are gone.

Having run private fantasy football leagues for several years using the Telegraph’s fantasy football game we (McBear & myself - bluelionman) decided when launching this league we would use TFF's game to facilitate our draft style game. This means we will use the Telegraph players list - if a player is not on the Telegraph current players list then they can not be drafted. If you click on the following link it will take you to the Telegraph's player guide - I suggest you use the guides for each position (Goalkeepers, Defenders etc.) to plan whom you would like to target for your team and use the guides to rank which players you would like to draft for your team should you be auto drafting (not attending the live draft in person).

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We will also be using the Telegraph’s scoring system. McBear will do the scoring as he gets the Telegraph every day and the Telegraph print their fantasy football scores for every player each Wednesday in their paper. He will add them up for each team and produce a league table each week throughout the course of the season (however there may be some weeks he cannot do this - like when he is abroad on holiday, in these instances he will catch up as soon as he can upon his return. What ever happens you will be brought up to date and not miss out on any weeks scoring). All league tables and total player points will be sent via e-mail.

The Telegraph allow a choice of team formations (see below), so as we use the Telegraph game you can select your team in any of these formations: 4-4-2, 4-3-3, 3-5-2, 5-3-2, 3-4-3 or 4-5-1.


MY LEAGUE IS OPEN TO ANYONE WHO WISHES TO PLAY - so if you have any friends or family you think would be interested in playing please show them a copy of this information and get them to come to the draft.

The scoring rules are as the Telegraph print's them... we are just hijacking their game in the scoring aspect for our league and using their players list.

Scoring Points
The aim of the game is to score as many points as possible during the season. Your chosen players will score points as per the Telegraphs current rules.


FREE AGENTS
Once the draft is over all players unselected become free agents. Free agents can be transferred in at any time up until just after the transfer window closes (as some times the Telegraph is slow to add players). So our deadline is now - Tuesday 2nd September @ 00:01. Transfers will only be actioned at the transfer window deadlines, transfers approved before the season starts will score for you from the start of the season, those transfers approved after the season has started will score for you from the following scoring TFF week after approval and your existing player will score for you until then.
All players transferred out become free agents available to be picked up by other managers under the transfer rules.
Transfers are on a one for one basis as long as your team stays in a legit formation - either 4-4-2, 4-3-3, 3-5-2, 5-3-2, 3-4-3 or 4-5-1. The way you do this is submit a transfer request by e-mail to me at this e-mail address: blmfantasygames@hotmail.co.uk

Transfers will be actioned one at a time - so if you wish to do more than one it would help if you number them with #1 being your top priorty and so on. Your request may or may not be met depending on certain criteria. All transfer requests are queued and will be actioned on the first deadline after the request is received (deadlines listed below):-

*Tuesday 5th August @ 00:01
*Tuesday 12th August @ 00:01
*Saturday 16th August @ 00:01
Tuesday 19th August @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 2
Tuesday 26th August @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 3
Tuesday 2nd September @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 4

*Brown deadline = any approved transfers will count from the start of the season - TFF WK 1.
*Transfers approved at that dead line will score for you from the TFF week listed in red.

The transfer window will remain open for the whole of August (trying to mirror the real Premier League).
The way transfers are done pre-season/August window is in reverse of the draft order. All transfers are queued and the person top of the queue gets their first submitted one. So whoever drafted in last position in Round 1 at the draft is first in this queue. However once anyone has had a transfer done they go back to the bottom of the queue.

January Transfer Window (During Season)
There will be 1 transfer window during the season. The queue order will be how the order was when the August transfer window closed after last transfers were actioned plus taking into account any Special Dispensation Transfers that may have taken place since (as in manager goes to bottom of queue if they had any Special Dispensation Transfers approved).

As with the pre-season transfers you submit e-mails to the above special address - players must be on the Telegraph players list…. so it may be worth you getting an up to date list from the Telegraphs website or buying their paper on a Wednesday (which is when they print the player scores).

Every Tuesday throughout January at 00:01 transfers will be actioned and an e-mail sent out showing the new team line ups and new transfer queue for the following week. The final transfer deadline of this window will be on Tuesday 3rd February 2015 @ 00:01. Transfers take effect from the first scoring week after they are actioned. Until then your original player will continue to score points for your team.
 


January Transfer Window deadlines:-

Tuesday 6nd January @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 22
Tuesday 13th January @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 23
Tuesday 20th January @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 24
Tuesday 27th January @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 25
Tuesday 3rd February @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 26

*Transfers approved at that dead line will score for you from the TFF week listed in red.

These days/dates have been used as the Telegraph Fantasy Football weeks for scoring purposes run from Tuesday - Monday, so we are falling in line with that.
The way you know who is available and who is not is by looking at the latest team list update I send out - any players not listed in any ones current team are available as long as they are on the Telegraph players list and (have a code number). I will e-mail out updates whenever any transfer action occurs during the season and after all transfer window deadlines. It may seem complicated but that is just because it is hard to explain it all in writing. Everyone who took part last year can help new comers and I am always contactable to help explain things that seem unclear - just get in touch with me. All my contact details are at the end of this e-mail.

Please do not be put off - all the work is mainly down to McBear (Douglas Hay) and myself bluelionman (Noel Symonds).

Now the best way to get transfers done is submit multiple choices - for instance if you want rid of a player from your team but don’t know if you will be first in line for your first choice - submit many choices like in the example here:-

OUT - Defender - Joe Blogs (Ars)

IN -

(1) Defender - J. Terry (Che)
(2) Defender - L. Shaw (Man U)
(3) Defender - L. Baines (Eve)

Then what will happen is you will get the first choice of yours who is still available when it‘s your turn in the transfer queue. If no one in your list is still available then nothing will happen and you will keep the guy you have. As if you had not submitted a transfer request.

SPECIAL DISPENSATION TRANSFERS
You can only apply for a 'special dispensation transfer' when the normal transfer window is shut. Secondly to apply for a transfer you must meet these strict criteria:-

1) Your player must not have played for a Premiership club for 3 TFF Weeks (in any competition - not just Premiership or FA Cup games).
2) He must have left the Premiership (via transfer or loaned out) or have a long term injury.
3) You must submit evidence of this in your transfer request e-mail - by enclosing a link to a news article that clearly shows one of the above, i.e. a current article showing said player has gone on loan to a Championship club or has a long term injury etc. As a guide I would say the player when you apply for the change should be looking to be out for at least another 3 weeks plus (after the 3 weeks wait time).


You put in for a SD transfer in the same way you would during the regular transfer windows saying who you would like 1st, 2nd etc. (as other managers may also have a long term injury and be applying under this rule to).

I will investigate and if all the above criteria are met your transfer will go through to start at the next scoring TFF Week after I receive the request or after your current player has been out 3 weeks and you still meet the above criteria (should you have submitted your request early). This is because injuries are part of the game and I feel it's unfair for someone with a long term injury to be able to make a change right away when a person with a short term injury can not. So to balance this out is why I insist on the 3 weeks wait. Some injuries may not be so servere and so then you have to wait for your player to return but those that are very long term I deem it to be unfair to be handicapped for months at a time so I came up with this Special Dispensation Transfer rule. When a SDT request is actioned you and everyone in the league will be informed of my decision. If I decline your request I will explain the reasons why but it can only be declined if some of the above criteria are not met or you have put in for a player that has gone to another manager using this rule or if approving the request would leave you with an illegal formation etc.

If you know your players out for a long time (or left the Premiership) you can put the request in straight away but it can not be actioned until the player has not played or scored you any points for at least 3 consecutive TFF weeks. Putting the request in early just insures I am more likely to pick it up and action it as soon as it can be done under the rules so that from the 4th week your new player is approved and on your team.

DRAFT & KEEPER RULES
This game was always designed for the long term and to offer continuity from season to season for returning managers. To that ends this is a keeper league - however I do try to make it better and some years tinker with the rules in a bid to make it a better experience for those that put the effort in. As it happens I don't have any changes to incorporate this year that are different from last year so the draft will remain a snake format with last years bottom placed manager drafting first and the champion drafting last in the first round. Any new managers will fill open spots vacated by any non returning managers and should there not be any or more new owners join than managers in the league last year they will join at the bottom of the first round. All new managers will draw numbers to see who fills what spots.

Any new managers joining have no keepers (as any non returning managers players are all released back into the draft) and so will draft in each of the 11 rounds as will any existing managers that elect to not have a keeper this year.

All managers from last year wanting to keep a player from their finishing team of last season can and it works as follows:-

1) Keepers selected will count as the *round pick the player was selected in last year - regardless of who drafted them (*subject to rule 2).
2) However if the same manager is keeping the same player in consecutive seasons the drafted round pick goes up by +1 round each season. This only applies if the same manager is keeping the exact same player as he or she did the previous season - not a different/new manager (as in that instance the same round as the player was drafted last year will apply). Also if your keeper was a first round pick last season they can not go up any more so will remain a first round pick this year if kept.
3) Any players chosen as keepers that were not drafted last year will be allocated as an 11th round pick.

Also to allow this keeper system to not be so hard to administer on the draft day itself there is an earlier keeper deadline. If you are taking part this year and wish to select a keeper you have to inform me by e-mail before Sunday 27th July @ 00:01 (so to be clear that’s midnight Saturday 26th going into Sunday 27th). You can change your mind up to that point on who you wish to keep but last choice I have from you at that deadline is your keeper. If you have not selected anyone you have no keeper and will draft every round like any new manager will. Just to let everybody know who’s gone and to put people at ease I got their choices I will confirm by e-mail before the draft which players were kept and what round pick they will be allocated to for each manager under the above keeper rules. The reason for doing this is so McBear and I can get things straight in advance of the draft and take some of the pressure off us on the day itself - hopefully resulting in a more organised and smooth draft. It also allows you all to plan your draft strategy a bit more should you wish to knowing who will not be available and what round pick your rival owners have lost for their chosen keeper player.

Keeper players will be written down on team sheets and those players taken off the board before commencing with the draft as normal.


DRAFT DAY
You can Auto-Draft or Live Draft. Live drafting is to physically turn up on the day and probably the most fun aspect of the game - meeting other managers, putting faces to names you may have seen in many of my fantasy sports games, having a few drinks and selecting your own team while talking football. This possibly also offers the best way of selecting a team as you can see what other managers are doing and adjust your strategy and selections as you go along.

Drafting positions are decided in two ways - for returning managers the draft positions are a reverse of last years final league table with the last placed team manager drafting #1 down to the current champion drafting last.

However if we have any managers not returning their draft position number will go back into the bag for new managers to draw from (*along with all vacant numbers up to the maximum of 20 if need be).

*Extra numbers will only be used if we have more managers partaking this year than last year. In practice if 2 managers drop out and we get 2 new managers come along they will just be drawing for the two vacated draft positions.

At the live draft a bag will contain the numbers for the vacant positions (up to #20 - depending how many managers we get) and new managers will draw a number from the bag which will be their draft position. For any new managers that are Auto Drafting someone will draw a number on your behalf.

When the draft starts it will snake - that means who ever selects last in Round 1 will select 1st in Round 2 as the last person for instance in a 20 strong league will get picks 20 and 21.

Sheets will be provided to all on draft day to fill in as the draft takes place.


AUTO DRAFTING
Advance sheets/e-mail forms for Auto drafters can be provided prior to the draft. These are sheets/e-mails where you fill in what formation you wish to have and can list what position (goalkeeper / striker etc.) you wish to pick each round. You can also list preferred players by name which will all be used to help select your team in your absence (or if you are late arriving). The more effort you put into these sheets the better team you will get and more to your liking - I can tell you last years champion was an auto drafted team also 3rd in Year II plus 2nd and 3rd place in Year I were all Auto Drafters and each bagged prize money (so it is viable to get a good team this way).

On the auto draft sheet you should choose your team formation by filling in the blank player positions with what type of player you wish to make up your chosen formation ( 4-4-2, 4-3-3, 3-5-2, 5-3-2, 3-4-3 or 4-5-1). Then number each position from 1 - 11 - this is the order your team will be drafted in should you not be at the live draft yourself.

Next (on the reverse of the sheet or later in the e-mail) you should list (in order) your top choices at each position - continue on a separate sheet of paper if necessary but please submit a sheet/e-mail showing your first choice going down as far as you want for each position Goal Keepers, Defenders, Midfielders and Strikers.

That’s it - if you are not in attendance when it is your turn we will look at your position sheet and select a player for you from the position you put as 1. Then we will look at your list of players you submitted for that position and select for you the highest choice on your list that is still available. We will do this throughout the whole draft. Also if at any time everyone on your list at that position is gone then we will use the Telegraph players list as a default. You will get the first player on their list at that position that has not yet been selected in value order. So the most expensive undrafted player highest on the Telegraphs player list taking their list in value (cost) order.

Also this will be how Auto Drafting is done for anyone that has not submitted any player lists of their own to me before the draft and are not in attendance. Also anyone that has not submitted a draft position list to me prior to the draft then their team will be Auto drafted in 4-4-2 formation from back to front - so a Goalkeeper selected first round, then four Defenders, four Midfielders and 2 Strikers in that order.

I suggest you bring your own pen(s) to the draft - I recommend a biro and highlighter and if you have one (only a few quid if you don‘t) would also suggest bringing a clipboard.

Now if you know you are in for this game please pay me in advance to secure your spot but it is fine to pay on the day itself. However if you are auto drafting (not attending the draft) it is imperative you pay me before the day of the draft to secure your entry (as I don‘t want to be worrying about money for no show managers).

Auto drafters can contact me to sort out a payment method - a cheque or PayPal is okay if you’re someone I do not see in person often.

TIES
Any tie for prize positions at the end of the season will result in an adding together of the prize's due for those tied positions and then them being split equally between the tying managers.
 
2nd HALF Prize
This is an extra prize that was intended to stop people tanking (giving up) because they feel they have nothing left to play for as in fact doing badly gives them a better draft spot the following season. So the entry fee went up by £5 a few seasons back and that £5 per entrant exclusively went to make up the 2nd HALF prize. So the more teams in the league the bigger this prize is (x @ fiver per team).

A snap shot of the league is taken at the start of January. So after the last scoring week up date is done to include scores up to Monday 29/12/14 (TFF Week 20). How the league looks at this point is very important as a record will be kept. Then from this table the prize will be won by the team that has improved the most league positions by the end of the season. However should there be a tie between 2 or more teams for most improved positions (quite likely) the tie-break criteria is your second half season points, so only the points scored from the first TFF scoring week in January (TFF WK 21) 30/12/14 until the end of the season.

This way this prize almost certainly will not go to the league leader at the turn of the year as they are unable to improve any league positions - being first. So their only chance to win this prize would be if no one changed positions in the league (from how the league looked at the turn of the year when the snap shot was taken) and then also out score everyone else for most points in the 2nd half of the season (the 2nd criteria). A BIG ASK - but actually has happened once before in this league!

DRAFT ORDER - Year VII
(Based on last years finishing positions)

1. Danny Bingham
2. Nick Payne
3. Tony Hamm
4. Noel Symonds
5. Dene Powell
6. Steve Matharu
7. Dougie Hay
8. Andy Smith
9. - 20. vacant spots

I would ask if you know you’re playing this year if you could confirm this to me and also inform me if you will be attending the live draft or auto drafting. Everyone is asked to please be at the draft venue by 14:30 on the day - this is so I can get the daft order correct, take payment and be able to start the draft on time at 3pm. Also getting here early will allow you to get your draft info in order and buy yourself a drink before we start. I would ask all managers that have not paid in advance to seek me out upon arrival to pay their entry fee. This way the draft can start on time and anyone who is late and has not paid in advance (to guarantee their entrance) or given me assurances they are coming will not be involved - their players (if they played last season) will be back in the draft pool and the draft will proceed without them for this season. However if you have paid in advance and are late you will still be involved and your team will be auto drafted until you arrive to take over - or if you don’t arrive your team will be auto drafted fully. So you are all welcome to submit back up auto draft forms as insurance in case you are delayed or don’t come at all for what ever reason.

& that my friends is pretty much it. If you want to discuss anything or have any questions on this game please feel free to PM me them and I will be happy to explain or answer them.

Best regards,

Noel Symonds (aka bluelionman)

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Not sure that new managers will be willing to play if I've understood the rules properly. The draft order is skewed slightly against new managers as it's the first round of draft that is often key. You could still have a fairer system and incorporate existing managers selecting in reverse order, by allocating slots to new managers first on a truly random basis and then giving last year's wooden spooner, the highest still available slot and so on.

But far more important than this is the keeper rule which seems to mitigate against a level playing field, if I've understood it correctly.

So is it correct that if a manager last year had say van Persie as his first round pick, Ramsey as his sixth round pick and Livermore as his tenth round pick, plus a load of rubbish, he can start this year's auction with those three players as his first, fifth and ninth round picks? I hope that I've misunderstood as otherwise the rules completely stitch up new participants.

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Striker wrote:Not sure that new managers will be willing to play if I've understood the rules properly. The draft order is skewed slightly against new managers as it's the first round of draft that is often key. You could still have a fairer system and incorporate existing managers selecting in reverse order, by allocating slots to new managers first on a truly random basis and then giving last year's wooden spooner, the highest still available slot and so on.

But far more important than this is the keeper rule which seems to mitigate against a level playing field, if I've understood it correctly.

So is it correct that if a manager last year had say van Persie as his first round pick, Ramsey as his sixth round pick and Livermore as his tenth round pick, plus a load of rubbish, he can start this year's auction with those three players as his first, fifth and ninth round picks? I hope that I've misunderstood as otherwise the rules completely stitch up new participants.
Yes and no - firstly he cant have all those picks as a manager is only allowed 1 keeper. So if he goes for the 'superstar player' as his keeper usually they was picked in Round 1 so he would loose his first round pick for them - now that is why I had the rules as they are as it's a snake draft so by having the newbies go last in Round 1 they not only pick round 1 they get first pick in round 2 (as it snakes back).

Where this has fallen down is over time the long term managers have shrewdly with the SDP rule or in the January window picked up a player who was undrafted (by being a new player to the Premier League in the transfer windows) thus the next season being the obvious keeper (for value purposes as would count as a Round 11 selection) leaving them free to still pick in the first round.

That is what I feel is now putting off new joiners and why I am looking to change things but I don't make an arbitrary decision on my own especially this late on so is why I wish to bring it up as this years draft and to propose from next season (2015/16) the draft order will be a random affair and drawn on the draft day itself (numbers out of a bag).

That way each manager has a bigger decision to make on their chosen keeper as if they pass up keeping the super star on their team they got in round 1 the previous year they may no longer have the chance to re-pick him if they don't get lucky with an early draft spot - which will now be down to totally random luck. Where as this year a guy who tanked last year not only has a great value keeper pick he gets an early round 1 pick guaranteeing him the best of both worlds.

Later today I will post on this thread who is each Managers keeper is and what rounds pick it has cost them. Now I don't know if many managers have forgotten the deadline or are not planning to play this year and not told me as not many have sent me their choice. Which now means one of two things - if they have forgotten then this makes it better for any newbies as they have lost the chance of having a keeper this year and will draft each round same as newbies. On the other hand if they are not playing this year then I really do need to recruit a lot of new players but that also means your worries will become unfounded as everyone will be picking from all these vacated draft spots out of a bag and no one new will have a keeper.

Then at this years live draft hopefully everyone will be in agreement that the draft order becomes a randomized affair for future seasons. 8-)

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BLUELIONMAN & McBEAR PREMIER LEAGUE FANTASY FOOTBALL DRAFT GAME - KEEPERS - SEASON 7


The deadline has been reached and the following are the Keepers for this year (rounds pick manager will loose for their keeper in brackets).

1. Danny Bingham - (MID) R. Sterling - LIV (11)
2. Nick Payne - not playing this year
3. Tony Hamm - no keeper selected
4. Noel Symonds - (MID) A. Ramsey - ARS (11)
5. Dene Powell - no keeper selected
6. Steve Matharu - no keeper selected
7. Dougie Hay - (MID) E. Hazard - CHE (1)
8. Andy Smith - (MID) M. Ozil - ARS (11)

Those managers with no keeper listed may or may not be playing this year. This will only be confirmed at the draft itself but as they have not submitted a keeper by the keeper deadline for this season (as per the rules), should they turn up at the draft they will draft in every round and not be allowed to keep any one from their finishing team of last season.

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My misunderstanding of the keeper rule means that newbies disadvantage is not as large as I first thought. But I imagine that it's still sufficient to deter new players. For example if a new player who draws the number nine slot he will be only be getting the 13th most attractive player, meanwhile Dougie Hay already has TWO more attractive players than whoever he is able to choose. Unless the newbie is a brilliant fantasy manager, the odds of him finishing ahead of Mr Hay are a long way from even money which they should be. The disadvantage involved will be limited if your game dies slowly with fewer managers, but stops you simultaneously achieving an expanding manager base and a level playing field.

I guess it's a question of balancing continuity of existing teams against continuity of the game. You are clearly fully aware of the weakness but until you either eliminate the keeper completely or at least make that player a first round pick irrespective of when he was previously acquired, new managers won't be queueing up.

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Striker wrote:My misunderstanding of the keeper rule means that newbies disadvantage is not as large as I first thought. But I imagine that it's still sufficient to deter new players. For example if a new player who draws the number nine slot he will be only be getting the 13th most attractive player, meanwhile Dougie Hay already has TWO more attractive players than whoever he is able to choose. Unless the newbie is a brilliant fantasy manager, the odds of him finishing ahead of Mr Hay are a long way from even money which they should be. The disadvantage involved will be limited if your game dies slowly with fewer managers, but stops you simultaneously achieving an expanding manager base and a level playing field.

I guess it's a question of balancing continuity of existing teams against continuity of the game. You are clearly fully aware of the weakness but until you either eliminate the keeper completely or at least make that player a first round pick irrespective of when he was previously acquired, new managers won't be queuing up.
You also miss factoring a few other things in that balance this out - the transfer window is open until the first Tuesday after the real one shuts and the free agent draft queue is a reverse of how teams drafted in round 1 meaning whoever is last would be first in this queue (so most of the newbies would be top of the list). Should any teams bring in a player from outside of the Premiership then if these new managers are on the ball and put in for them they can swap out any player on their team roster for him as long as their team remains in a legit formation. So that means they could swap out a nobody from round 10 or 11 for this big name arrival and have them from near on the start of the season - equalling out the existing managers good value keeper advantage and should the guy picked up prove to be a star - like Mata was for me in this situation - then the new manager has their ready made value keeper for the following season (as would cost them a round 11 pick as an undrafted player). Also you are only ever a new player once - if you stick with the league and we all paid are dues in this respect to start with. No team joining the real Premier League has a chance to win it but in this game they do despite what you say.

Then just regarding FISO'ers I feel they are much more adept at fantasy games than the casual players I get from my work etc., and this I feel is borne out by last years Champion in this game was unable to attend the live draft and so auto drafted yet he still won the league and yes he is a FISO'er. 8-)

Lastly your highlighting of Dougie was a mistake as his keeper is a round 1 keeper so he will only have 1 player at the time the newbies have their first 2 picks. However I get what your saying as Danny on the other hand will have 2 players but disagree his keeper (R. Sterling) would be better than who said newbies could select in Round 2 themselves.

All I can say is this discussion for and against really helps people see the merits of whether this is a game or not they want into as we are both putting forward the pro's and cons from differing sides of the fence so thanks for that input. 8-)

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Re: OFF-LINE Live Premier League Draft Money League

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You're welcome. :wink: I agree that it's an interesting discussion and game, and I undermined one of my key points by using the wrong name, intended to mean the individual who is in fact Andy Smith. You still haven't convinced me of the equity of the keeper rule. The reverse order of the free agent draft queue essentially cancels out any advantage of the initial draft order, not that and the keeper advantage, except for the one or two guys who get the new Suarez's. Also your point about someone different getting a keeper advantage next year, although true, doesn't eliminate inequity.

Anyway thanks for the discussion, I enjoyed it, and good luck with your draft. Hoping that different levels of alcohol consumption don't give too much of an advantage to some over others.

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Striker wrote:You're welcome. :wink: I agree that it's an interesting discussion and game, and I undermined one of my key points by using the wrong name, intended to mean the individual who is in fact Andy Smith. You still haven't convinced me of the equity of the keeper rule. The reverse order of the free agent draft queue essentially cancels out any advantage of the initial draft order, not that and the keeper advantage, except for the one or two guys who get the new Suarez's. Also your point about someone different getting a keeper advantage next year, although true, doesn't eliminate inequity.
That's me :) so I'll throw in my thoughts.
Striker wrote:Not sure that new managers will be willing to play if I've understood the rules properly. The draft order is skewed slightly against new managers as it's the first round of draft that is often key. You could still have a fairer system and incorporate existing managers selecting in reverse order, by allocating slots to new managers first on a truly random basis and then giving last year's wooden spooner, the highest still available slot and so on.

But far more important than this is the keeper rule which seems to mitigate against a level playing field, if I've understood it correctly.

So is it correct that if a manager last year had say van Persie as his first round pick, Ramsey as his sixth round pick and Livermore as his tenth round pick, plus a load of rubbish, he can start this year's auction with those three players as his first, fifth and ninth round picks? I hope that I've misunderstood as otherwise the rules completely stitch up new participants.
I think in a dynasty league, this is fair enough - current owners should have a slight advantage - new owners have to start at the bottom and work up. Personally wouldn't want to change this.

The one rule I would look at is the rule stating that an undrafted player can be kept as an 11th round selection for the following year. Maybe a rule that you can't keep anyone who you didn't draft in the previous year? So in my case Ozil would be released back into free agency for anyone else to draft - and then the following year that owner could then decide to keep him for the next year. Or set an arbitrary round (3 seems about right) for a midseason acquisition as they're probably going to be of a reasonable standard.

Anyway thanks for the discussion, I enjoyed it, and good luck with your draft. Hoping that different levels of alcohol consumption don't give too much of an advantage to some over others.
It's a 3pm start man - I can only hope that I'm drafting with a bunch of owners who are inebriated that early in the day :lol:

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DRAFT RESULTS YEAR VII


Round 1

Name - Players - Name - Position - Team


Danny Bingham - S. Aguero - STK - MCY
David Browne - R. van Persie - STK - MUN
Tony Hamm - D. Costa - STK - CHE
Noel Symonds - D. Sturridge - STK - LIV
Steve Matharu - A. Sanchez - STK - ARS
Dougie Hay - E. Hazard - MID - CHE
Andy Smith - W. Rooney - STK - MUN

Round 2

Name - Players Name - Position - Team


Andy Smith - Y. Toure - MID - MCY
Dougie Hay - R. Lukaku - STK - EVE
Steve Matharu - J. Hart - GK - MCY
Noel Symonds - D. Silva - MID - MCY
Tony Hamm - W. Bony - STK - SWA
David Browne - O. Giroud - STK - ARS
Danny Bingham - E. Dzeko - STK - MCY

Round 3

Name - Players Name - Position - Team


Danny Bingham - C. Fabergas - MID - CHE
David Browne - J. Mata - MID - MUN
Tony Hamm - S. Cazorla - MID - ARS
Noel Symonds - T.Walcott - MID - ARS
Steve Matharu - A. Negredo - STK - MCY
Dougie Hay - S. Gerrard - MID - LIV
Andy Smith - V. Kompany - DEF - MCY

Round 4

Name - Players - Name - Position - Team


Andy Smith - G. Cahill - DEF - CHE
Dougie Hay - L. Baines - DEF - EVE
Steve Matharu - Oscar - MID - CHE
Noel Symonds - B. Ivanoic - DEF - CHE
Tony Hamm - T. Vermalen - DEF - ARS
David Browne - J. Terry - DEF - CHE
Danny Bingham - Willian - MID - CHE

Round 5

Name - Players Name - Position - Team


Danny Bingham - P. Mertescaker - DEF - ARS
David Browne - D. de Gea - GK - MUN
Tony Hamm - P. Coutinho - MID - LIV
Noel Symonds - T. Howard - GK - EVE
Steve Matharu - R. Lambert - STK - LIV
Dougie Hay - S. Coleman - DEF - EVE
Andy Smith - E. Adebayor - STK - TOT

Round 6

Name - Players Name - Position - Team


Andy Smith - L. Shaw - DEF - MUN
Dougie Hay - R. Barkley - MID - EVE
Steve Matharu - Fernandinho - MID - MCY
Noel Symonds - S. Nasri - MID - MCY
Tony Hamm - A. Herrera - MID - MUN
David Browne - C. Eriksen - MID - TOT
Danny Bingham - P. Zabaleta - DEF - MCY

Round 7

Name - Players Name - Position - Team


Danny Bingham - L. Koscielny - DEF - ARS
David Browne - K. Mirallas - MID - EVE
Tony Hamm - L. Remy - STK - QPR
Noel Symonds - F. Luis - DEF - CHE
Steve Matharu - J. Navas - MID - MCY
Dougie Hay - D. Ings - STK - BUR
Andy Smith - C. Azpillicutca - DEF - CHE

Round 8

Name - Players Name - Position - Team


Andy Smith - A. Schurlle - MID - CHE
Dougie Hay - A. Johnson - MID - SUN
Steve Matharu - B. Sagna - DEF - MCY
Noel Symonds - D. Gayle - STK - CRY
Tony Hamm - D Lovern - DEF - LIV
David Browne - J. Vertonghen - DEF - ARS
Danny Bingham - G. Clichy - DEF - MCY

Round 9

Name - Players Name - Position - Team


Danny Bingham - P. Cech - GK - CHE
David Browne - D. Tadic - MID - SOT
Tony Hamm - H. Loris - GK - TOT
Noel Symonds - P. Jagielka - DEF - EVE
Steve Matharu - J.Wilshere - MID - ARS
Dougie Hay - S. Mignolet - GK - LIV
Andy Smith - W. Szczsney - GK - ARS

Round 10

Name - Players Name - Position - Team


Andy Smith - J. Rodriguez - STK - SOT
Dougie Hay - M. Skrtel - DEF - LIV
Steve Matharu - M. Demichells - DEF - MCY
Noel Symonds - J. Puncheon - MID - CRY
Tony Hamm - F. Coloccini - DEF - NEW
David Browne - M. Debuchy - DEF - ARS
Danny Bingham - D. Drogba - STK - CHE

Round 11

Name - Players Name - Position - Team


Danny Bingham - R. Sterling - MID - LIV
David Browne - G. Sigurdsson - MID - SWA
Tony Hamm - J. Shelvey - MID - SWA
Noel Symonds - A. Ramsay - MID - ARS
Steve Matharu - K. Gibbs - DEF - ARS
Dougie Hay - J. Stones - DEF - EVE
Andy Smith - M. Ozil - MID - ARS


Blue = Keepers

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DRAFT RESULTS (by team) YEAR VII


* = auto seletion
blue = keeper (player retained from last season)



*Danny Bingham - MAGIC TURKEYS (*Auto Drafted)

*GLK - P. Cech - CHE

*DEF - P. Mertesacker - ARS
*DEF - P. Zabaleta - MCY
*DEF - L. Koscielny - ARS

*DEF - G. Clichy - MCY

*MID - C. Fabregas - CHE
*MID - William - CHE
*MID - R. Sterling - LIV

*STR - S. Aguero - MCY
*STR - E. Dzeko - MCY
*STR - D. Drogba - CHE



David Browne - RELEGATED LAUGHING

GLK - D. de Gea - MUN

DEF - J. Terry - CHE

DEF - J. Vertonghen - TOT
DEF - M. Debuchy - ARS

MID - J. Mata - MUN
MID - C. Eriksen - TOT
MID - K. Mirallas - EVE
MID - D. Tadic - SOU
MID - G. Sigurdsson - SWA

STR - R. Van Persie - MUN
STR - O. Giroud - ARS



Tony Hamm - JUST SOME MORE

GLK - H. Lloris - TOT

DEF - T. Vermaelen - ARS
DEF - F. Coloccini - NEW
DEF - D. Lovrene - LIV

MID - J. Shelvey - SWA
MID - S. Cazorla - ARS
MID - P. Coutinho - LIV
MID - A. Herrera - MUN

STR - L. Remy - QPR
STR - W. Bony - SWA
STR - D. Costa - CHE



Noel Symonds - van DUTCH

GLK - T. Howard - EVE

DEF - B. Ivanovic - CHE
DEF - F. Luis - CHE
DEF - P. Jagielka - EVE

MID - J. Puncheon - CRY
MID - S. Nasri - MCY
MID - D. Silva - MCY
MID - A. Ramsey - ARS
MID - T. Walcott - ARS

STR - D. Sturridge - LIV
STR - D. Gayle - CRY



*Steve Matharu - THE PILGRIMS (*Auto Drafted)

*GLK - J. Hart - MCY

*DEF - B. Sagna - ARS
*DEF - M. Demichelis - MCY
*DEF - K. Gibbs - ARS
*MID - Oscar - CHE
*MID - Fernandinho - MCY

*MID - Navas - MCY
*MID - J. Wiltshire - ARS

*STR - A. Sanchez - ARS
*STR - A. Negredo - MCY
*STR - R. Lambert - LIV



Dougie Hay - SURREY BEARS

GLK - S. Mignolet - LIV

DEF - L. Baines - EVE
DEF - S. Coleman - EVE
DEF - M. Skrtel - LIV
DEF - J. Stones - EVE

MID - E. Hazard - CHE
MID - R. Barkley - EVE
MID - S. Gerrard - LIV
MID - A. Johnson - SUN

STR - R. Lukaku - CHE
STR - D. Ings - BUR



Andy Smith - THERES A DRAFT IN HERE

GLK - W. Szczesny - ARS

DEF - V. Kompany - MCY
DEF - G. Cahill - CHE
DEF - L. Shaw - MUN
DEF - C. Azpilicueta - CHE

MID - A. Schurrle - CHE
MID - M. Ozil - ARS
MID - Y. Toure - MCY

STR - J. Rodriguez - SOT
STR - W. Rooney - MUN
STR - E. Adebayor - TOT



*** AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW IS NOW OPEN ***


AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW QUEUE ORDER:
(After a transfer is granted you move to bottom of queue)

Queue order (reverse of draft day order):-

1st - Andy Smith
2nd - Dougie Hay
3rd - Steve Matharu
4th - Noel Symonds
5th - Tony Hamm
6th - David Browne
7th - Danny Bingham


AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW DEADLINES:-

*Tuesday 5th August @ 00:01
*Tuesday 12th August @ 00:01
*Saturday 16th August @ 00:01

Tuesday 19th August @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 2
Tuesday 26th August @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 3
Tuesday 2nd September @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 4

*Brown deadline = any approved transfers will count from the start of season.
*Transfers approved at that dead line will score for you from the TFF week listed in red.


The transfer window will remain open for the whole of August (trying to mirror the real Premier League).
The way transfers are done pre-season/August window is in reverse of the draft order. All transfers are queued and the person top of the queue gets their first submitted one. So whoever drafted in last position in the draft is first in this queue. However once anyone has had a transfer approved they go back to the bottom of the queue.

Any player appearing on the Telegraphs player list that is not on any ones team already is available as a free agent - team formation must remain in a legit formation after transfer is made.

https://fantasyfootball.telegraph.co.uk ... e/players/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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PRIZES - EPL bluelionman & McBear Draft Game - Season VII (2014/15)‏

I really enjoy this game and hope you do to?
- I so would like to grow it so please spread the word amongst your friends and acquaintances you know (on or offline) that may be up for it next season!

HOWEVER FOR THIS SEASON I CAN CONFIRM THE PRIZES ARE AS FOLLOWS:-

1st) £80
2nd) £40
3rd) £20

2nd HALF Winner) £35

Total Prize Fund - £175 (7 x £25)

Best of Luck everyone.

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AUGUST TRANSFER WINDOW - 1st D/L (Dead Line) - BLM & McBEAR TFF EPL Draft Game‏


BLM & McBEAR TFF EPL Draft Game


AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW QUEUE ORDER:-
(After a transfer is granted you move to bottom of queue)

Queue order (reverse of draft day order):-

1st - Andy Smith
2nd - Dougie Hay
3rd - Steve Matharu
4th - Noel Symonds
5th - Tony Hamm
6th - David Browne
7th - Danny Bingham


AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW DEADLINES:-

*Tuesday 5th August @ 00:01 - 2 requests received
*Tuesday 12th August @ 00:01
*Saturday 16th August @ 00:01

Tuesday 19th August @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 2
Tuesday 26th August @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 3
Tuesday 2nd September @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 4

*Brown deadline = any approved transfers will count from the start of season (TFF WK 1).
*Transfers approved at that dead line will score for you from the TFF week listed in red.

The transfer window will remain open for the whole of August (trying to mirror the real Premier League).
The way transfers are done pre-season/August window is in reverse of the draft order. All transfers are queued and the person top of the queue gets their first submitted one. So whoever drafted in last position in the draft is first in this queue. However once anyone has had a transfer approved they go back to the bottom of the queue.

Any player appearing on the Telegraphs player list that is not on any ones team already is available as a free agent - team formation must remain in a legit formation after transfer is made.

https://fantasyfootball.telegraph.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e/players/

Transfer requests received:

1) *Steve Matharu - THE PILGRIMS
OUT - *STR - A. Negredo - MCY
IN - STR - F. Torres - CHE

*** APPROVED ***


2) Noel Symonds - van DUTCH
OUT - MID - T. Walcott - ARS
IN - STR - E. Valencia - WHU

*** APPROVED ***


NEW AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW QUEUE ORDER:-
(After a transfer is granted you move to bottom of queue)

1st - Andy Smith
2nd - Dougie Hay
3rd - Tony Hamm
4th - David Browne
5th - Danny Bingham
6th - Steve Matharu
7th - Noel Symonds

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BLM & McBear TFF EPL Draft Game - AUGUST Transfer Window (1) - New Line Ups‏‏‏‏

* = auto seletion
blue = keeper (player retained from last season)
brown = August pre-season transfer (before season has started)


*Danny Bingham - MAGIC TURKEYS (*Auto Drafted)


*GLK - P. Cech - CHE

*DEF - P. Mertesacker - ARS
*DEF - P. Zabaleta - MCY
*DEF - L. Koscielny - ARS
*DEF - G. Clichy - MCY

*MID - C. Fabregas - CHE
*MID - William - CHE
MID - R. Sterling - LIV

*STR - S. Aguero - MCY
*STR - E. Dzeko - MCY
*STR - D. Drogba - CHE


David Browne - RELEGATED LAUGHING

GLK - D. de Gea - MUN

DEF - J. Terry - CHE
DEF - J. Vertonghen - TOT
DEF - M. Debuchy - ARS

MID - J. Mata - MUN
MID - C. Eriksen - TOT
MID - K. Mirallas - EVE
MID - D. Tadic - SOU
MID - G. Sigurdsson - SWA

STR - R. Van Persie - MUN
STR - O. Giroud - ARS


Tony Hamm - JUST SOME MORE

GLK - H. Lloris - TOT

DEF - T. Vermaelen - ARS
DEF - F. Coloccini - NEW
DEF - D. Lovrene - LIV

MID - J. Shelvey - SWA
MID - S. Cazorla - ARS
MID - P. Coutinho - LIV
MID - A. Herrera - MUN

STR - L. Remy - QPR
STR - W. Bony - SWA
STR - D. Costa - CHE


Noel Symonds - van DUTCH

GLK - T. Howard - EVE

DEF - B. Ivanovic - CHE
DEF - F. Luis - CHE
DEF - P. Jagielka - EVE

MID - J. Puncheon - CRY
MID - S. Nasri - MCY
MID - D. Silva - MCY
MID - A. Ramsey - ARS

STR - D. Sturridge - LIV
STR - D. Gayle - CRY
STR - E. Valencia - WHU


*Steve Matharu - THE PILGRIMS (*Auto Drafted)

*GLK - J. Hart - MCY

*DEF - B. Sagna - ARS
*DEF - M. Demichelis - MCY
*DEF - K. Gibbs - ARS

*MID - Oscar - CHE
*MID - Fernandinho - MCY
*MID - Navas - MCY
*MID - J. Wiltshire - ARS

*STR - A. Sanchez - ARS
*STR - R. Lambert - LIV
STR - F. Torres - CHE


Dougie Hay - SURREY BEARS

GLK - S. Mignolet - LIV

DEF - L. Baines - EVE
DEF - S. Coleman - EVE
DEF - M. Skrtel - LIV
DEF - J. Stones - EVE

MID - E. Hazard - CHE
MID - R. Barkley - EVE
MID - S. Gerrard - LIV
MID - A. Johnson - SUN

STR - R. Lukaku - CHE
STR - D. Ings - BUR


Andy Smith - THERES A DRAFT IN HERE

GLK - W. Szczesny - ARS

DEF - V. Kompany - MCY
DEF - G. Cahill - CHE
DEF - L. Shaw - MUN
DEF - C. Azpilicueta - CHE

MID - A. Schurrle - CHE
MID - M. Ozil - ARS
MID - Y. Toure - MCY

STR - J. Rodriguez - SOT
STR - W. Rooney - MUN
STR - E. Adebayor - TOT

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AUGUST TRANSFER WINDOW - 2nd D/L (Dead Line) - BLM & McBEAR TFF EPL Draft Game‏‏‏

BLM & McBEAR TFF EPL Draft Game

AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW QUEUE ORDER:-
(After a transfer is granted you move to bottom of queue)

1st - Andy Smith
2nd - Dougie Hay
3rd - Tony Hamm
4th - David Browne
5th - Danny Bingham
6th - Steve Matharu
7th - Noel Symonds


AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW DEADLINES:-

*Tuesday 5th August @ 00:01 - 2 requests received
*Tuesday 12th August @ 00:01 - 2 requests received
*Saturday 16th August @ 00:01

Tuesday 19th August @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 2
Tuesday 26th August @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 3
Tuesday 2nd September @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 4

*Brown deadline = any approved transfers will count from the start of season (TFF WK 1).
*Transfers approved at that dead line will score for you from the TFF week listed in red.


The transfer window will remain open for the whole of August (trying to mirror the real Premier League).
The way transfers are done pre-season/August window is in reverse of the draft order. All transfers are queued and the person top of the queue gets their first submitted one. So whoever drafted in last position in the draft is first in this queue. However once anyone has had a transfer approved they go back to the bottom of the queue.

Any player appearing on the Telegraphs player list that is not on any ones team already is available as a free agent - team formation must remain in a legit formation after transfer is made.

https://fantasyfootball.telegraph.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e/players/

Transfer requests received:

1) Tony Hamm - JUST SOME MORE
OUT - DEF- T. Vermaelen - ARS
IN - DEF - C. Davies - HUL

*** APPROVED ***


2) *Steve Matharu - THE PILGRIMS
OUT - *MID - J. Wiltshire - ARS
IN - MID - Nani - MUN

*** APPROVED ***


NEW AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW QUEUE ORDER:-
(After a transfer is granted you move to bottom of queue)

1st - Andy Smith
2nd - Dougie Hay
3rd - David Browne
4th - Danny Bingham
5th - Noel Symonds
6th - Tony Hamm
7th - Steve Matharu

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BLM & McBear TFF EPL Draft Game - AUGUST Transfer Window (2) - New Line Ups‏‏‏‏

* = auto seletion
blue = keeper (player retained from last season)
brown = August pre-season transfer (before season has started)


*Danny Bingham - MAGIC TURKEYS (*Auto Drafted)

*GLK - P. Cech - CHE

*DEF - P. Mertesacker - ARS
*DEF - P. Zabaleta - MCY
*DEF - L. Koscielny - ARS
*DEF - G. Clichy - MCY

*MID - C. Fabregas - CHE
*MID - William - CHE
*MID - R. Sterling - LIV

*STR - S. Aguero - MCY
*STR - E. Dzeko - MCY
*STR - D. Drogba - CHE


David Browne - RELEGATED LAUGHING

GLK - D. de Gea - MUN

DEF - J. Terry - CHE
DEF - J. Vertonghen - TOT
DEF - M. Debuchy - ARS

MID - J. Mata - MUN
MID - C. Eriksen - TOT
MID - K. Mirallas - EVE
MID - D. Tadic - SOU
MID - G. Sigurdsson - SWA

STR - R. Van Persie - MUN
STR - O. Giroud - ARS


Tony Hamm - JUST SOME MORE

GLK - H. Lloris - TOT

DEF - F. Coloccini - NEW
DEF - D. Lovrene - LIV
DEF - C. Davies - HUL

MID - J. Shelvey - SWA
MID - S. Cazorla - ARS
MID - P. Coutinho - LIV
MID - A. Herrera - MUN

STR - L. Remy - QPR
STR - W. Bony - SWA
STR - D. Costa - CHE


Noel Symonds - van DUTCH


GLK - T. Howard - EVE

DEF - B. Ivanovic - CHE
DEF - F. Luis - CHE
DEF - P. Jagielka - EVE

MID - J. Puncheon - CRY
MID - S. Nasri - MCY
MID - D. Silva - MCY
MID - A. Ramsey - ARS

STR - D. Sturridge - LIV
STR - D. Gayle - CRY
STR - E. Valencia - WHU


*Steve Matharu - THE PILGRIMS (*Auto Drafted)


*GLK - J. Hart - MCY

*DEF - B. Sagna - MCY
*DEF - M. Demichelis - MCY
*DEF - K. Gibbs - ARS

*MID - Oscar - CHE
*MID - Fernandinho - MCY
*MID - Navas - MCY
MID - Nani - MUN

*STR - A. Sanchez - ARS
*STR - R. Lambert - LIV
STR - F. Torres - CHE


Dougie Hay - SURREY BEARS

GLK - S. Mignolet - LIV

DEF - L. Baines - EVE
DEF - S. Coleman - EVE
DEF - M. Skrtel - LIV
DEF - J. Stones - EVE

MID - E. Hazard - CHE
MID - R. Barkley - EVE
MID - S. Gerrard - LIV
MID - A. Johnson - SUN

STR - R. Lukaku - CHE
STR - D. Ings - BUR


Andy Smith - THERES A DRAFT IN HERE

GLK - W. Szczesny - ARS

DEF - V. Kompany - MCY
DEF - G. Cahill - CHE
DEF - L. Shaw - MUN
DEF - C. Azpilicueta - CHE

MID - A. Schurrle - CHE
MID - M. Ozil - ARS
MID - Y. Toure - MCY

STR - J. Rodriguez - SOT
STR - W. Rooney - MUN
STR - E. Adebayor - TOT

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Re: OFF-LINE Live Premier League Draft Money League

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AUGUST TRANSFER WINDOW - 3rd D/L (Dead Line) - BLM & McBEAR TFF EPL Draft Game‏‏ ‏

BLM & McBEAR TFF EPL Draft Game

AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW QUEUE ORDER:-
(After a transfer is granted you move to bottom of queue)

1st - Andy Smith
2nd - Dougie Hay
3rd - David Browne
4th - Danny Bingham
5th - Noel Symonds
6th - Tony Hamm
7th - Steve Matharu


AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW DEADLINES:-

*Tuesday 5th August @ 00:01 - 2 requests received
*Tuesday 12th August @ 00:01 - 2 requests received
*Saturday 16th August @ 00:01 - 4 requests received

Tuesday 19th August @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 2
Tuesday 26th August @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 3
Tuesday 2nd September @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 4

*Brown deadline = any approved transfers will count from the start of season (TFF WK 1).
*Transfers approved at that dead line will score for you from the TFF week listed in red.


The transfer window will remain open for the whole of August (trying to mirror the real Premier League).
The way transfers are done pre-season/August window is in reverse of the draft order. All transfers are queued and the person top of the queue gets their first submitted one. So whoever drafted in last position in the draft is first in this queue. However once anyone has had a transfer approved they go back to the bottom of the queue.

Any player appearing on the Telegraphs player list that is not on any ones team already is available as a free agent - team formation must remain in a legit formation after transfer is made.

https://fantasyfootball.telegraph.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e/players/


Transfer requests received:

1) Andy Smith - THERES A DRAFT IN HERE
OUT - STR - J. Rodriguez - SOT
IN - DEF - P. Jones - MUN

*** APPROVED ***


2) Noel Symonds - van DUTCH
OUT- STR - D. Gayle - CRY
IN - MID - A. Young - MUN

*** APPROVED ***


3) Andy Smith - THERES A DRAFT IN HERE
OUT - DEF - L. Shaw - MUN
IN - MID - E. Lamela - TOT

*** APPROVED ***


4) Andy Smith - THERES A DRAFT IN HERE
OUT - MID - A. Schurrle - CHE
IN - STR - M. Diouf - STO

*** APPROVED ***


NEW AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW QUEUE ORDER:-
(After a transfer is granted you move to bottom of queue)

1st - Dougie Hay
2nd - David Browne
3rd - Danny Bingham
4th - Tony Hamm
5th - Steve Matharu
6th - Noel Symonds
7th - Andy Smith

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OFF-LINE Live Premier League Draft Money League

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BLM & McBear TFF EPL Draft Game - AUGUST Transfer Window (3) - New Line Ups‏‏‏‏

* = auto seletion
blue = keeper (player retained from last season)
brown = August pre-season transfer (before season has started)


*Danny Bingham - MAGIC TURKEYS (*Auto Drafted)

*GLK - P. Cech - CHE

*DEF - P. Mertesacker - ARS
*DEF - P. Zabaleta - MCY
*DEF - L. Koscielny - ARS
*DEF - G. Clichy - MCY

*MID - C. Fabregas - CHE
*MID - William - CHE
*MID - R. Sterling - LIV

*STR - S. Aguero - MCY
*STR - E. Dzeko - MCY
*STR - D. Drogba - CHE


David Browne - RELEGATED LAUGHING

GLK - D. de Gea - MUN

DEF - J. Terry - CHE
DEF - J. Vertonghen - TOT
DEF - M. Debuchy - ARS

MID - J. Mata - MUN
MID - C. Eriksen - TOT
MID - K. Mirallas - EVE
MID - D. Tadic - SOU
MID - G. Sigurdsson - SWA

STR - R. Van Persie - MUN
STR - O. Giroud - ARS


Tony Hamm - JUST SOME MORE

GLK - H. Lloris - TOT

DEF - F. Coloccini - NEW
DEF - D. Lovrene - LIV
DEF - C. Davies - HUL

MID - J. Shelvey - SWA
MID - S. Cazorla - ARS
MID - P. Coutinho - LIV
MID - A. Herrera - MUN

STR - L. Remy - QPR
STR - W. Bony - SWA
STR - D. Costa - CHE


Noel Symonds - van DUTCH

GLK - T. Howard - EVE

DEF - B. Ivanovic - CHE
DEF - F. Luis - CHE
DEF - P. Jagielka - EVE

MID - J. Puncheon - CRY
MID - S. Nasri - MCY
MID - D. Silva - MCY
MID - A. Ramsey - ARS
MID - A. Young - MUN

STR - D. Sturridge - LIV
STR - E. Valencia - WHU


*Steve Matharu - THE PILGRIMS (*Auto Drafted)

*GLK - J. Hart - MCY

*DEF - B. Sagna - MCY
*DEF - M. Demichelis - MCY
*DEF - K. Gibbs - ARS

*MID - Oscar - CHE
*MID - Fernandinho - MCY
*MID - Navas - MCY
MID - Nani - MUN

*STR - A. Sanchez - ARS
*STR - R. Lambert - LIV
STR - F. Torres - CHE


Dougie Hay - SURREY BEARS

GLK - S. Mignolet - LIV

DEF - L. Baines - EVE
DEF - S. Coleman - EVE
DEF - M. Skrtel - LIV
DEF - J. Stones - EVE

MID - E. Hazard - CHE
MID - R. Barkley - EVE
MID - S. Gerrard - LIV
MID - A. Johnson - SUN

STR - R. Lukaku - CHE
STR - D. Ings - BUR


Andy Smith - THERES A DRAFT IN HERE

GLK - W. Szczesny - ARS

DEF - V. Kompany - MCY
DEF - G. Cahill - CHE
DEF - C. Azpilicueta - CHE
DEF - P. Jones - MUN

MID - M. Ozil - ARS
MID - Y. Toure - MCY
MID - E. Lamela - TOT

STR - W. Rooney - MUN
STR - E. Adebayor - TOT
STR - M. Diouf - STO

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Re: OFF-LINE Live Premier League Draft Money League

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AUGUST TRANSFER WINDOW - 4th D/L (Dead Line) - BLM & McBEAR TFF EPL Draft Game‏‏‏‏

BLM & McBEAR TFF EPL Draft Game

AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW QUEUE ORDER:-
(After a transfer is granted you move to bottom of queue)

1st - Dougie Hay
2nd - David Browne
3rd - Danny Bingham
4th - Tony Hamm
5th - Steve Matharu
6th - Noel Symonds
7th - Andy Smith


AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW DEADLINES:-

*Tuesday 5th August @ 00:01 - 2 requests received
*Tuesday 12th August @ 00:01 - 2 requests received
*Saturday 16th August @ 00:01 - 4 requests received

Tuesday 19th August @ 00:01 - 3 requests received *TFF WK 2
Tuesday 26th August @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 3
Tuesday 2nd September @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 4

*Brown deadline = any approved transfers will count from the start of season (TFF WK 1).
*Transfers approved at that dead line will score for you from the TFF week listed in red.


The transfer window will remain open for the whole of August (trying to mirror the real Premier League).
The way transfers are done pre-season/August window is in reverse of the draft order. All transfers are queued and the person top of the queue gets their first submitted one. So whoever drafted in last position in the draft is first in this queue. However once anyone has had a transfer approved they go back to the bottom of the queue.

Any player appearing on the Telegraphs player list that is not on any ones team already is available as a free agent - team formation must remain in a legit formation after transfer is made.

https://fantasyfootball.telegraph.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e/players/


Transfer requests received:


1) Dougie Hay - SURREY BEARS
OUT - MID - R. Barkley - EVE
IN - MID - A. Schurrle - CHE

*** APPROVED ***


2) Noel Symonds - van DUTCH
OUT - GLK - T. Howard - EVE
IN - GLK - T. Courtois - CHE

*** APPROVED ***



3) Noel Symonds - van DUTCH
OUT - MID - J. Puncheon - CRY
IN - STR - S. Berahino - WBA

*** APPROVED ***


NEW AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW QUEUE ORDER:-
(After a transfer is granted you move to bottom of queue)

1st - David Browne
2nd - Danny Bingham
3rd - Tony Hamm
4th - Steve Matharu
5th - Andy Smith
6th - Dougie Hay
7th - Noel Symonds

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Re: OFF-LINE Live Premier League Draft Money League

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BLM & McBear TFF EPL Draft Game - AUGUST Transfer Window (4) - New Line Ups‏‏‏‏‏

* = auto seletion
blue = keeper (player retained from last season)
brown = August pre-season transfer (before season has started)
orange = August transfer window (after season has started)


*Danny Bingham - MAGIC TURKEYS (*Auto Drafted)

*GLK - P. Cech - CHE

*DEF - P. Mertesacker - ARS
*DEF - P. Zabaleta - MCY
*DEF - L. Koscielny - ARS
*DEF - G. Clichy - MCY

*MID - C. Fabregas - CHE
*MID - William - CHE
*MID - R. Sterling - LIV

*STR - S. Aguero - MCY
*STR - E. Dzeko - MCY
*STR - D. Drogba - CHE


David Browne - RELEGATED LAUGHING

GLK - D. de Gea - MUN

DEF - J. Terry - CHE
DEF - J. Vertonghen - TOT
DEF - M. Debuchy - ARS

MID - J. Mata - MUN
MID - C. Eriksen - TOT
MID - K. Mirallas - EVE
MID - D. Tadic - SOU
MID - G. Sigurdsson - SWA

STR - R. Van Persie - MUN
STR - O. Giroud - ARS


Tony Hamm - JUST SOME MORE

GLK - H. Lloris - TOT

DEF - F. Coloccini - NEW
DEF - D. Lovrene - LIV
DEF - C. Davies - HUL

MID - J. Shelvey - SWA
MID - S. Cazorla - ARS
MID - P. Coutinho - LIV
MID - A. Herrera - MUN

STR - L. Remy - QPR
STR - W. Bony - SWA
STR - D. Costa - CHE


Noel Symonds - van DUTCH

GLK - T. Courtois - CHE (starts scoring from TFF Week 2 - 19/8/14)

DEF - B. Ivanovic - CHE
DEF - F. Luis - CHE
DEF - P. Jagielka - EVE

MID - S. Nasri - MCY
MID - D. Silva - MCY
MID - A. Ramsey - ARS
MID - A. Young - MUN

STR - D. Sturridge - LIV
STR - E. Valencia - WHU
STR - S. Berahino - WBA (starts scoring from TFF Week 2 - 19/8/14)


*Steve Matharu - THE PILGRIMS (*Auto Drafted)


*GLK - J. Hart - MCY

*DEF - B. Sagna - MCY
*DEF - M. Demichelis - MCY
*DEF - K. Gibbs - ARS

*MID - Oscar - CHE
*MID - Fernandinho - MCY
*MID - Navas - MCY
MID - Nani - MUN

*STR - A. Sanchez - ARS
*STR - R. Lambert - LIV
STR - F. Torres - CHE


Dougie Hay - SURREY BEARS

GLK - S. Mignolet - LIV

DEF - L. Baines - EVE
DEF - S. Coleman - EVE
DEF - M. Skrtel - LIV
DEF - J. Stones - EVE

MID - E. Hazard - CHE
MID - S. Gerrard - LIV
MID - A. Johnson - SUN
MID - A. Schurrle - CHE (starts scoring from TFF Week 2 - 19/8/14)

STR - R. Lukaku - CHE
STR - D. Ings - BUR


Andy Smith - THERES A DRAFT IN HERE

GLK - W. Szczesny - ARS

DEF - V. Kompany - MCY
DEF - G. Cahill - CHE
DEF - C. Azpilicueta - CHE
DEF - P. Jones - MUN

MID - M. Ozil - ARS
MID - Y. Toure - MCY
MID - E. Lamela - TOT

STR - W. Rooney - MUN
STR - E. Adebayor - TOT
STR - M. Diouf - STO

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AUGUST TRANSFER WINDOW - 5th D/L (Dead Line) - BLM & McBEAR TFF EPL Draft Game‏‏‏ ‏

BLM & McBEAR TFF EPL Draft Game

AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW QUEUE ORDER:-
(After a transfer is granted you move to bottom of queue)

1st - David Browne
2nd - Danny Bingham
3rd - Tony Hamm
4th - Steve Matharu
5th - Andy Smith
6th - Dougie Hay
7th - Noel Symonds


AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW DEADLINES:-

*Tuesday 5th August @ 00:01 - 2 requests received
*Tuesday 12th August @ 00:01 - 2 requests received
*Saturday 16th August @ 00:01 - 4 requests received

Tuesday 19th August @ 00:01 - 3 requests received *TFF WK 2
Tuesday 26th August @ 00:01 - 5 requests received *TFF WK 3
Tuesday 2nd September @ 00:01 - *TFF WK 4

*Brown deadline = any approved transfers will count from the start of season (TFF WK 1).
*Transfers approved at that dead line will score for you from the TFF week listed in red.

The transfer window will remain open for the whole of August (trying to mirror the real Premier League).
The way transfers are done pre-season/August window is in reverse of the draft order. All transfers are queued and the person top of the queue gets their first submitted one. So whoever drafted in last position in the draft is first in this queue. However once anyone has had a transfer approved they go back to the bottom of the queue.

Any player appearing on the Telegraphs player list that is not on any ones team already is available as a free agent - team formation must remain in a legit formation after transfer is made.

https://fantasyfootball.telegraph.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e/players/

Transfer requests received:

1) Tony Hamm - JUST SOME MORE
OUT - MID - A. Herrera - MUN
IN - MID - S. Downing - WHM

*** APPROVED ***


2) Noel Symonds - van DUTCH
OUT - STR - S. Berahino - WBA
IN - STR - S. Jovetic - MCY

*** APPROVED ***


3) Tony Hamm - JUST SOME MORE
OUT - MID - J. Shelvey - SWA
IN - MID - J. Rodwell - SUN

*** APPROVED ***


4) Noel Symonds - van DUTCH
OUT - MID - A. Young - MUN
IN - DEF - E. Dier - TOT

*** APPROVED ***


5) Noel Symonds - van DUTCH
OUT - DEF - P. Jagielka - EVE
IN - DEF - D. Rose - TOT

*** APPROVED ***


NEW AUGUST FREE AGENT TRANSFER WINDOW QUEUE ORDER:-
(After a transfer is granted you move to bottom of queue)

1st - David Browne
2nd - Danny Bingham
3rd - Steve Matharu
4th - Andy Smith
5th - Dougie Hay
6th - Tony Hamm
7th - Noel Symonds

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Re: OFF-LINE Live Premier League Draft Money League

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BLM & McBear TFF EPL Draft Game - AUGUST Transfer Window (5) - New Line Ups‏‏‏‏‏‏

* = auto seletion
blue = keeper (player retained from last season)
brown = August pre-season transfer (before season has started)
orange = August transfer window (after season has started)


*Danny Bingham - MAGIC TURKEYS (*Auto Drafted)

*GLK - P. Cech - CHE

*DEF - P. Mertesacker - ARS
*DEF - P. Zabaleta - MCY
*DEF - L. Koscielny - ARS
*DEF - G. Clichy - MCY

*MID - C. Fabregas - CHE
*MID - William - CHE
*MID - R. Sterling - LIV

*STR - S. Aguero - MCY
*STR - E. Dzeko - MCY
*STR - D. Drogba - CHE


David Browne - RELEGATED LAUGHING

GLK - D. de Gea - MUN

DEF - J. Terry - CHE
DEF - J. Vertonghen - TOT
DEF - M. Debuchy - ARS

MID - J. Mata - MUN
MID - C. Eriksen - TOT
MID - K. Mirallas - EVE
MID - D. Tadic - SOU
MID - G. Sigurdsson - SWA

STR - R. Van Persie - MUN
STR - O. Giroud - ARS


Tony Hamm - JUST SOME MORE

GLK - H. Lloris - TOT

DEF - F. Coloccini - NEW
DEF - D. Lovrene - LIV
DEF - C. Davies - HUL

MID - S. Cazorla - ARS
MID - P. Coutinho - LIV
MID - S. Downing - WHM (starts scoring from TFF Week 3 - 26/8/14)
MID - J. Rodwell - SUN (starts scoring from TFF Week 3 - 26/8/14)


STR - L. Remy - QPR
STR - W. Bony - SWA
STR - D. Costa - CHE


Noel Symonds - van DUTCH

GLK - T. Courtois - CHE (starts scoring from TFF Week 2 - 19/8/14)

DEF - B. Ivanovic - CHE
DEF - F. Luis - CHE
DEF - E. Dier - TOT (starts scoring from TFF Week 3 - 26/8/14)
DEF - D. Rose - TOT (starts scoring from TFF Week 3 - 26/8/14)


MID - S. Nasri - MCY
MID - D. Silva - MCY
MID - A. Ramsey - ARS

STR - D. Sturridge - LIV
STR - E. Valencia - WHU
STR - S. Jovetic - MCY (starts scoring from TFF Week 3 - 26/8/14)


*Steve Matharu - THE PILGRIMS (*Auto Drafted)

*GLK - J. Hart - MCY

*DEF - B. Sagna - MCY
*DEF - M. Demichelis - MCY
*DEF - K. Gibbs - ARS

*MID - Oscar - CHE
*MID - Fernandinho - MCY
*MID - Navas - MCY
MID - Nani - MUN

*STR - A. Sanchez - ARS
*STR - R. Lambert - LIV
STR - F. Torres - CHE


Dougie Hay - SURREY BEARS

GLK - S. Mignolet - LIV

DEF - L. Baines - EVE
DEF - S. Coleman - EVE
DEF - M. Skrtel - LIV
DEF - J. Stones - EVE

MID - E. Hazard - CHE
MID - S. Gerrard - LIV
MID - A. Johnson - SUN
MID - A. Schurrle - CHE (starts scoring from TFF Week 2 - 19/8/14)

STR - R. Lukaku - CHE
STR - D. Ings - BUR


Andy Smith - THERES A DRAFT IN HERE

GLK - W. Szczesny - ARS

DEF - V. Kompany - MCY
DEF - G. Cahill - CHE
DEF - C. Azpilicueta - CHE
DEF - P. Jones - MUN

MID - M. Ozil - ARS
MID - Y. Toure - MCY
MID - E. Lamela - TOT

STR - W. Rooney - MUN
STR - E. Adebayor - TOT
STR - M. Diouf - STO

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