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Now the fixtures are out and we can start to look at the upcoming season I was wondering how or if you use a spreadsheet.
I set my own one up last year which included a fixture grid, all player stats from Bram's site from the season before and a sheet where I put my teams that added up my total team value and which also added up my weekly scores into a grand total.
Much of what I did was manually inputted but I know that some people such as Mystery use much more sophisticated tools in their spreadsheets. He's also posted that he's willing to share his work.
So... my questions.
Do you find them useful and a help over your season?
Do you feel that there's no need for them?
What structure do you use when creating them?
Etc. Etc.
I found mine very useful over the season although I think it was very basic so I'm hoping we can maybe share a bit of knowledge here to help us all get a good start... or not if that's the case
This is not game related so please feel free to describe what works for you in each game you play.
Cheers
Rich
Now the fixtures are out and we can start to look at the upcoming season I was wondering how or if you use a spreadsheet.
I set my own one up last year which included a fixture grid, all player stats from Bram's site from the season before and a sheet where I put my teams that added up my total team value and which also added up my weekly scores into a grand total.
Much of what I did was manually inputted but I know that some people such as Mystery use much more sophisticated tools in their spreadsheets. He's also posted that he's willing to share his work.
So... my questions.
Do you find them useful and a help over your season?
Do you feel that there's no need for them?
What structure do you use when creating them?
Etc. Etc.
I found mine very useful over the season although I think it was very basic so I'm hoping we can maybe share a bit of knowledge here to help us all get a good start... or not if that's the case
This is not game related so please feel free to describe what works for you in each game you play.
Cheers
Rich
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As many of you will be aware I've been working with spreadsheets of varying kinds of sophistication for quite some time but only for TFF. I only started working on this in any detail in 2005 and even then I wasn't really putting too much effort in.
Up until the end of the 2005-6 season I was only recording my then personal favourite statistic which was the average PPG per player minus 0.5*the standard deviation of their weekly scores. The purpose of PPG is obvious but the idea of the SD element was to try and find out the streaky players who turn out to be something of a long term gamble. I guess I used this to reasonable effect with a finish in the top 120 in TFF but sadly I still lost my works SL to a guy who came 40th! (But I'm not bitter )
At the start of the 06-07 season I tried to compare players expected PPG-SD to their values and this, along with my personal opinion of him, led me to believe that Stuart Downing would be the value pick of the season. And I was happy to tell anyone who would listen. (Sadly I didn't stick with him and sold him before he really kicked off around Xmas).
My work is made enormously easier due to the kind generosity of Bramernic posting the weekly scores on his page - as I feed this data directly into Excel using a Web Query. I can then do the statistical gubbins very easily.
In 06-07 I devoted probably more time than is absolutely healthy in working on my sheet, expanding my range of stats to cover pure PPG, pts to date and my new personal favourite - PPG multiplied by games remaining - a good one for use at the end of the season. I also now have a page where my first XI players in each category and presented to me without having to re-sort the data first. Very handy as a quick reference tool and the eagle eyed among you may have seen the outcome of some of this work in my FISO XI thread.
Perhaps even more importantly, I've connected my sheet to some additional sources of data. The FISO Injury Table is now fed in via a web query and I've set my sheet up to exclude injured players from my calculations of the best players.
Similarly, I've connected up the FA Suspensions lists and again excluded suspended players from consideration.
The harsh reality of this all though is that I do this all because I'm a wee bit sad and enjoy both TFF and working in Excel, so combining these two activities seemed wholly natural to me.
Only on Tuesday night I was working on a version of this that transfers the statistical data into Access and then go through the player list with the aim of spotting the highest scoring valid team (by whichever stat you choose). Fortunately this agreed with the papers assessment of the highest scoring team so I guess it proved it worked, although it did take about 20 minutes to run through all the reasonable combinations and that was after fixing Lampard and Ronaldo into the team. So could be a pretty unwieldy tool to use, however I'm sure I'll use it in some way in deciding my starting XI for 07-08.
Up until the end of the 2005-6 season I was only recording my then personal favourite statistic which was the average PPG per player minus 0.5*the standard deviation of their weekly scores. The purpose of PPG is obvious but the idea of the SD element was to try and find out the streaky players who turn out to be something of a long term gamble. I guess I used this to reasonable effect with a finish in the top 120 in TFF but sadly I still lost my works SL to a guy who came 40th! (But I'm not bitter )
At the start of the 06-07 season I tried to compare players expected PPG-SD to their values and this, along with my personal opinion of him, led me to believe that Stuart Downing would be the value pick of the season. And I was happy to tell anyone who would listen. (Sadly I didn't stick with him and sold him before he really kicked off around Xmas).
My work is made enormously easier due to the kind generosity of Bramernic posting the weekly scores on his page - as I feed this data directly into Excel using a Web Query. I can then do the statistical gubbins very easily.
In 06-07 I devoted probably more time than is absolutely healthy in working on my sheet, expanding my range of stats to cover pure PPG, pts to date and my new personal favourite - PPG multiplied by games remaining - a good one for use at the end of the season. I also now have a page where my first XI players in each category and presented to me without having to re-sort the data first. Very handy as a quick reference tool and the eagle eyed among you may have seen the outcome of some of this work in my FISO XI thread.
Perhaps even more importantly, I've connected my sheet to some additional sources of data. The FISO Injury Table is now fed in via a web query and I've set my sheet up to exclude injured players from my calculations of the best players.
Similarly, I've connected up the FA Suspensions lists and again excluded suspended players from consideration.
The harsh reality of this all though is that I do this all because I'm a wee bit sad and enjoy both TFF and working in Excel, so combining these two activities seemed wholly natural to me.
Only on Tuesday night I was working on a version of this that transfers the statistical data into Access and then go through the player list with the aim of spotting the highest scoring valid team (by whichever stat you choose). Fortunately this agreed with the papers assessment of the highest scoring team so I guess it proved it worked, although it did take about 20 minutes to run through all the reasonable combinations and that was after fixing Lampard and Ronaldo into the team. So could be a pretty unwieldy tool to use, however I'm sure I'll use it in some way in deciding my starting XI for 07-08.
Very true. I have two available at present. The sheet from last season described above and a version of the EPL 07-08 fixture grid. Please PM with an e-mail address if interested.DixieDean wrote:but I know that some people such as Mystery use much more sophisticated tools in their spreadsheets. He's also posted that he's willing to share his work.
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Last season I used two spreadsheets relating to TFF.
The first was used to keep a record of my teams (one worksheet per team) & in addition to listing player names, players prices, points scored etc I used (very basic) formulas to calculate a points target for the season (based on 2000 points divided by £50m then multiplied by each players price) for each player & PPM ratios for each player position. The main benefit of having this additional info was that it was then very easy to see at a glance which areas of each team were under performing & therefore make adjustments as required.
The second spreadsheet listed all TFF related fixtures (twenty rows (one per Premiership team) & then one column for each game day), the only thing that was a little bit different to the other fixtures related spreadsheets that I've seen was that rather than listing team names playing on each day I used the name of (what was IMO) each team's potentially most prolific points scorer (normally a striker)...
The first was used to keep a record of my teams (one worksheet per team) & in addition to listing player names, players prices, points scored etc I used (very basic) formulas to calculate a points target for the season (based on 2000 points divided by £50m then multiplied by each players price) for each player & PPM ratios for each player position. The main benefit of having this additional info was that it was then very easy to see at a glance which areas of each team were under performing & therefore make adjustments as required.
The second spreadsheet listed all TFF related fixtures (twenty rows (one per Premiership team) & then one column for each game day), the only thing that was a little bit different to the other fixtures related spreadsheets that I've seen was that rather than listing team names playing on each day I used the name of (what was IMO) each team's potentially most prolific points scorer (normally a striker)...
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Interesting technique - quite like the sound of that - after all it's not the team we're interested in is it but of course the individual player is far more important - great for them tricky 3 for 1sRazorback wrote:....the only thing that was a little bit different to the other fixtures related spreadsheets that I've seen was that rather than listing team names playing on each day I used the name of (what was IMO) each team's potentially most prolific points scorer (normally a striker)...
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Thank you everyone who has expressed an interest in my "work". In answer to someone's question an idiot's guide to my sheet's use isn't in production but I'll probably make the 07-08 version much more user friendly and will stick it on t'interweb somewhere not long after the player lists emerge from the paper's random price tag generator.
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I'd be interested to see what you have done Mystery. I'm a bit of a spreadsheet addict myself, and developed an Access database and several spreadsheets gears towards TFFO last season (flanges taken into account rather than just daily KO's, predictive scores and also a game simulator for predicting scores based on the strength of opposition) and found them invaluable. I don't think that TFFO can be played effectivly without one!
I'll be starting work on my new seasons version in the coming weeks (when news of TFO is known), but I'd be very interested to see your version before starting mine.
Cheers mate.
I'll be starting work on my new seasons version in the coming weeks (when news of TFO is known), but I'd be very interested to see your version before starting mine.
Cheers mate.
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Since the player lists will allegedly be out on Saturday I will not be able to produce anything at least until the middle of next week as a result of being in a different country to my PC over the weekend.Mystery wrote:Thank you everyone who has expressed an interest in my "work". In answer to someone's question an idiot's guide to my sheet's use isn't in production but I'll probably make the 07-08 version much more user friendly and will stick it on t'interweb somewhere not long after the player lists emerge from the paper's random price tag generator.
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Updated spreadsheets have been sent over the past couple of nights to those who had expressed an interest previously. I'm still receiving occasional requests so please PM if interested as I'll add known posters to the list.
Since the post above I've revised the sheet to include the new address for the injury table and updated to include 07/8 values and player lists (still courtesy of Bramernic without whom all of this would be a heck of a lot more hassle)
Since the post above I've revised the sheet to include the new address for the injury table and updated to include 07/8 values and player lists (still courtesy of Bramernic without whom all of this would be a heck of a lot more hassle)
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First update sent in a little while, now with 39 people on the list.
I've now attached in my Egg Cup team so you can see have a look at that as well as my FISO XI team.
Just thinking here I might have to do something for next season to try and predict optimal line ups for monthlies and similar. I haven't tried anything like that yet so might consider it at least. If I can make a few quid profit this season from works superleagues then I think I might try and re-invest next time round.
I've now attached in my Egg Cup team so you can see have a look at that as well as my FISO XI team.
Just thinking here I might have to do something for next season to try and predict optimal line ups for monthlies and similar. I haven't tried anything like that yet so might consider it at least. If I can make a few quid profit this season from works superleagues then I think I might try and re-invest next time round.
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My personal thread hijack continues....
Thanks for the recent interest by PM from a couple of you - you're on the mailing list but i haven't sent an update recently.
I have now developed an automated method to look at which team(s) have the most game days between now and their next match, whilst at the same time looking at which teams have the most games in the same period - i.e. spotting those elusive 3-for-0s.
Indeed I've just found a 3for0 which I hadn't thought of previously although there'll be several more after the 4th round this weekend.
This update will be going out soon-ish (i.e. when i can be bothered)
Thanks for the recent interest by PM from a couple of you - you're on the mailing list but i haven't sent an update recently.
I have now developed an automated method to look at which team(s) have the most game days between now and their next match, whilst at the same time looking at which teams have the most games in the same period - i.e. spotting those elusive 3-for-0s.
Indeed I've just found a 3for0 which I hadn't thought of previously although there'll be several more after the 4th round this weekend.
This update will be going out soon-ish (i.e. when i can be bothered)
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Shameless bump. Still happy to share my fixture lists and excel knowledge with long term FISO members. Please provide e-mail add by PM and I'll add you to the mailing list.
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A bit of an announcement to anyone interested.
I am currently in the process of mailing out my sheets to those who have expressed an interest either this season or last - that's just over 50 of you I think.
To be frank I'm much too lazy to reply individually to every single PM but I've got all the e-mail addresses so you should be receiving some geeky TFF related mail shortly.
Cheers,
Dave
I am currently in the process of mailing out my sheets to those who have expressed an interest either this season or last - that's just over 50 of you I think.
To be frank I'm much too lazy to reply individually to every single PM but I've got all the e-mail addresses so you should be receiving some geeky TFF related mail shortly.
Cheers,
Dave
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look forward to it!
thanks very much Mr E
thanks very much Mr E
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As my e mail adress has changes I have pm'd you my new e mail address in order to receive the benefit of your wonderful spreadsheet.
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Can you add me to that list please.Mystery wrote:A bit of an announcement to anyone interested.
I am currently in the process of mailing out my sheets to those who have expressed an interest either this season or last - that's just over 50 of you I think.
To be frank I'm much too lazy to reply individually to every single PM but I've got all the e-mail addresses so you should be receiving some geeky TFF related mail shortly.
Cheers,
Dave
I've sent you a pm
Cheers
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No sign of a spreadsheet yet!
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Largely because I've been in Greece for the past week and a half. Will get onto it middle of this week.Neath boy wrote:No sign of a spreadsheet yet!
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Any takers for this years version of my sheet? With extra geeky stuff in there. Regular posters please PM if interested as I've lost (deleted) my old mailing list.
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