I've asked you this before BB, but who's the hot chick in your DP? Remember you wanting a threesome with her and Angelina Jolie


I'm not dragging Opportunity Cost or my views on XG etc into thisSirMattBugsby wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 18:56I've asked you this before BB, but who's the hot chick in your DP? Remember you wanting a threesome with her and Angelina Jolie![]()
Why shouldn't it be? That's part of this game (and always has been) and IMO one of the added bonuses of the game - there is an extra strategic element in terms of team value, when to transfer and how many to make (or not) each week that a game like TFF doesn't have.Finisher1 wrote:What's your point?
Guessing when players are likely to score = the ultimate purpose in FPL
Guessing when price changes might happen = should not be a part of this game by any means
Well, you clearly haven't read posts in this thread, but I don't blame you because it's already five pages long. Hint: I have said one million times (no, actually one billion times) that I have absolutely nothing against price changes. I love all the tactical elements price changes bring to this game.thebillfella wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 23:15We all knew after confirmation that Martial was OOP and played well / got a goal that he was likely to go up this week just as we know anyone who gets a hatrick will) and we also know that price change times are a little more erratic at the start of the season (so sensible to make your decision earlier in the week if possible). Why is any of this such a no no in your eyes?
The problem is that a price change algorithm is secret. It's like having a secret points change algorithm, would you be fine with that? So you wouldn't know how exactly points are calculated, you'd just think they are somehow linked to how players perform on the pitch?thebillfella wrote: ↑14 Aug 2019, 23:15And the price change isn't a complete random guess - it is based on a secret algorithm which is in itself directly linked to how players perform / score on the pitch along with certain circumstances off it.
The point is we shouldn't be forced to predict them in the first place. Like we shouldn't be forced to predict how points are calculated.
Hahaha, and even though I know the discussion will probably be lengthy and not interesting, I am still reading it page by page, for fear of missing some random things here.Stevieste wrote:Its not random, but when this thread reaches page 5, it will be odd.....yep im bored now
The living hell of FOMO?nemo7x wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 02:14Hahaha, and even though I know the discussion will probably be lengthy and not interesting, I am still reading it page by page, for fear of missing some random things here.Stevieste wrote:Its not random, but when this thread reaches page 5, it will be odd.....yep im bored now
This is getting ridiculous: yesterday Stemania said that the public price change algorithm would benefit masses, but now you say it would benefit dedicated managers! So you both oppose my idea but your arguments are totally opposite to each other!
Spot on. That's exactly how it should be.Archy wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 08:39I agree with Finisher on this.
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I also disagree that FPL giving an explanation of the algorithm would compel them to publish exact details of price changes and when they were going to happen. They could easily tell us how it works without providing the figures, which would still leave space for the prediction websites to do their thing (they would just be able to do it more accurately)
We don't know how prices are calculated, we can only predict it. It makes a massive difference when a price change happens. This is a fact. Ask Stemania who just yesterday said it makes a massive difference when a price change happens.raoul wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 09:26We know how points are calculated, so we know how many points we will get when certain things happen.
We also know what price change will happen (+/- 0.1m).
The issue is not the knowledge of the price rise or fall, it is the timing of it. I am not sure equating the price rises with points works, because nobody gives a stuff when their points credit, as long as they do.
Comparing FPL to stock market is always so incredibly stupid. In this case, your flawed comparison would make sense only if we were selling players to each other. So if I was selling players to you and you were selling players to me. Please, let's just leave this here, shall we?raoul wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 09:26If you invest in shares, currencies etc you are not told in advance when prices will move up and down. You try to move ahead of the pack, but there are no guarantees - and you risk moving early, only for new info to mean you wish you hadn't. But then the markets move continuously, which FPL prices don't.
no need for the abuse.Finisher1 wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 09:39We don't know how prices are calculated, we can only predict it. It makes a massive difference when a price change happens. This is a fact. Ask Stemania who just yesterday said it makes a massive difference when a price change happens.raoul wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 09:26We know how points are calculated, so we know how many points we will get when certain things happen.
We also know what price change will happen (+/- 0.1m).
The issue is not the knowledge of the price rise or fall, it is the timing of it. I am not sure equating the price rises with points works, because nobody gives a stuff when their points credit, as long as they do.
Comparing FPL to stock market is always so incredibly stupid. In this case, your flawed comparison would make sense only if we were selling players to each other. So if I was selling players to you and you were selling players to me. Please, let's just leave this here, shall we?raoul wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 09:26If you invest in shares, currencies etc you are not told in advance when prices will move up and down. You try to move ahead of the pack, but there are no guarantees - and you risk moving early, only for new info to mean you wish you hadn't. But then the markets move continuously, which FPL prices don't.
In stock market prices are determined simply by supply and demand, so the comparison to FPL doesn't make any sense at all.
I have never said it's not fair.raoul wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 09:59Anyone moaning that their planned transfer has been scuppered because their assumption about timings proved to be wrong (being based on forecasts which they seem to have been treating as facts) has been shown a flaw in their approach. Probably better to invest time in reconsidering that approach rather than repeatedly arguing that it's not fair?
Yes, it's not a surprise that guys like Murray and Archy agree with me on this. From what I have seen overall they are on the rationally and logically thinking side in the spectrum of FPL managersMorrisonDullforce wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 11:01Mr Murray is in agreement with you Finisher1
https://twitter.com/roneildinho/status/ ... 9962205184
No I wouldn't. Because the difference is that I know the value of the price change. It is only the timing that is the issue. If I do not know how points were awarded I would have to make my assumptions, enter my team, then wait and see what resulted. When I know prices can move, but do not know when (rather than the amount), I can still counter this by moving earlier than I might assume is absolutely necessary, in order to manage my risk.Finisher1 wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 10:39In stock market prices are determined simply by supply and demand, so the comparison to FPL doesn't make any sense at all.
I have never said it's not fair.raoul wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 09:59Anyone moaning that their planned transfer has been scuppered because their assumption about timings proved to be wrong (being based on forecasts which they seem to have been treating as facts) has been shown a flaw in their approach. Probably better to invest time in reconsidering that approach rather than repeatedly arguing that it's not fair?
The secret points change algorithm would be fair as well, but I would still oppose it.
So if the points change algorithm was secret, would you be saying this: "Anyone moaning that they got too few points because their assumption about how points are calculated proved to be wrong (being based on forecasts which they seem to have been treating as facts) has been shown a flaw in their approach. Probably better to invest time in reconsidering that approach rather than repeatedly arguing that it's not fair?"
Would you?
Wrong. FPL prices are not determined by supply and demand. FPL prices are determined by algorithm based on transfer volumes. Supply/demand and transfer volumes are two different things. FPL Towers are not a buyer or seller, they simply aren't. They don't sell players or buy players. The whole principle is absolutely totally different.
So are you saying we shouldn't debate anything unless it's a fundamental question about fair and unfair?
No, you are factually wrong. Supply and demand means there is a buyer and seller who negotiate a price. Buyer wants to pay as small price as possible and a seller wants to receive as big price as possible and they settle a price. In FPL there is no such process. There is only one part, an FPL manager, who individually decides what he does. Supply of players is unlimited.
When I start arguing about facts and say something that is factually proven wrong, I will leave it there. Could you point out when I have done such things?
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