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Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by cymbalrush84 » 05 Aug 2019, 21:02

Anyone managed to get all three and still have a overall squad balance?

Quite tricky but achievable.

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by Gaf1986 » 05 Aug 2019, 21:43

I have all 3 with Bernardo and robbo but I’m not convinced because I end up with a couple of starters I’d rather be benching

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by Zimmerman » 05 Aug 2019, 22:00

I’ve got all three and reasonably happy with balance.

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by Spreadsheet » 05 Aug 2019, 22:05

I have an allergy to balance so I trip myself each year into squeezing two too many Galacticos into my squad under the false reassurance that this year will be the year I’m proved right to go with the mindset of Florentino Perez and the budget of Dave Whelan.

I’m not sure this is the year I’ll learn, not helped by the tempting opening fixtures they all have.

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by Stevieste » 05 Aug 2019, 22:07

Zimmerman wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 22:00
I’ve got all three and reasonably happy with balance.
Im same as you and really like my starting 11 all the way round.

Out of interest have you gone 5-4-1 by any chance 😉

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by Stevieste » 05 Aug 2019, 22:14

Actually ive just realised ive got Aubemyang instead of Kane, but that just for the first 2 games, as feel the Arsenal fixtures easier.

Hopefully Kane dont have a price rise and i cant afford the swap, but hopefully that be unlikely after 2 games

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by Stu255 » 05 Aug 2019, 23:08

:x

GRrrnooooh! I can’t breath.


... best of luck with it lads.

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by SirMattBugsby » 05 Aug 2019, 23:17

Stu255 wrote:
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:x

GRrrnooooh! I can’t breath.


... best of luck with it lads.
I think it's not that bad because of two reasons:

1) Potential of FWDs as captains in 2 of 3 GWs
2) Difficulty in predicting Sterling's points.

Where would you spend the extra cash from downgrading one (or maybe two) of them?

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by muld » 05 Aug 2019, 23:17

Stevieste wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 22:07
Zimmerman wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 22:00
I’ve got all three and reasonably happy with balance.
Im same as you and really like my starting 11 all the way round.

Out of interest have you gone 5-4-1 by any chance 😉
I have all 3 and am 4-5-1

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by Stu255 » 05 Aug 2019, 23:25

SirMattBugsby wrote:
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Where would you spend the extra cash from downgrading one (or maybe two) of them?
I would swap Sterling for KDB probably only 20-30pts difference between them over a season and use the extra £3.5m to get 2x premium defenders who would each rake in about 40-50 pts more than the £4.5m bomb scares all these teams are so content to carry.

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by boise1234 » 05 Aug 2019, 23:29

Also all three and 3-5-2....Salah the only LIV player...:)

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by DAREEL » 06 Aug 2019, 00:19

cymbalrush84 wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 21:02
Anyone managed to get all three and still have a overall squad balance?

Quite tricky but achievable.

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Not seen one decent balanced side yet. Wilson can cover Kane, so too can Moura. Not worth the extra until we know he's firing. I keep telling myself that as I'm quite scared :lol:

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by ricardo68 » 06 Aug 2019, 03:41

I'm not seeing a lot of love for Aguerro, is it because he is taking a valuable City spot assigned to Sterling Walker Laporte Ederson KdB etc or is there something more to it? I would have him over Kane for sure and my team has him and Salah as the must haves.

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by No Way Jose » 06 Aug 2019, 04:31

ricardo68 wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 03:41
I'm not seeing a lot of love for Aguerro, is it because he is taking a valuable City spot assigned to Sterling Walker Laporte Ederson KdB etc or is there something more to it? I would have him over Kane for sure and my team has him and Salah as the must haves.
Not expected to start the first game or 2

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by swadd1er » 06 Aug 2019, 09:11

Yes. I think I'm ready to go.
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Post by andybarrell » 06 Aug 2019, 09:28

Yes and good to go
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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by Mike1989 » 06 Aug 2019, 09:36

I did originally have the trio in with the following;

Pope / Heaton
VVD, Azpilicueta, AWB / Mings, C Taylor
Salah, Sterling, Barkley, Ceballos / Dendoncker
Kane, King, Murray

3-4-3 formation. That's currently become;

Ederson, Pope
VVD, Azpilicueta, Maguire / Mings, C Taylor
Salah, Sterling, Eriksen, Ceballos / Dendoncker
Jota, King, Wesley

I'm still toying with the line up, I can get Vardy in and go back to Barkley, or swap Eriksen and Ceballos and spend 14.5 on two 7.0s or maybe Siggy and Perez. The latter certainly gives me more balance but I do like to have Kane in my team because whenever he's not been in it he's usually gone on a scoring spree!

But it is possible to get Salah, Sterling and Kane in the team, but in all likelihood it will mean making a sacrifice or two to make it happen. Whether that proves better on point production than a balance team is debatable.

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by Mike1989 » 06 Aug 2019, 09:46

ricardo68 wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 03:41
I'm not seeing a lot of love for Aguerro, is it because he is taking a valuable City spot assigned to Sterling Walker Laporte Ederson KdB etc or is there something more to it? I would have him over Kane for sure and my team has him and Salah as the must haves.
Based on current ownership there is roughly 8% difference in favour of Kane. I suspect that is down to Kane being priced at 1 million cheaper than Aguero. Other reasons to favour Kane could be that he's almost guaranteed to start whereas Aguero could be rested, Kane also is more likely to play a full game whereas Aguero can come off after 60 minutes, and if we look at past FPL production Kane scored 200+ in three consecutive seasons and would likely have done so again had he not been injured whereas Aguero has two 200+ seasons to his name and inbetween them he had three seasons scoring 170 to 180 points.

Now I'm not saying Aguero is a bad pick - he's not - but is he worth a 1 million more than a healthy Kane?

I'd say no. Also, if Sterling continues his FPL trend scoring around 230 points in back to back seasons, it would likely be better to pick him than Aguero.

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by Bixer » 06 Aug 2019, 12:38

Would you believe I have Sterling, Salah, Kane and KdB

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by bcfc1903 » 06 Aug 2019, 12:42

Bixer wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 12:38
Would you believe I have Sterling, Salah, Kane and KdB
Just wow.

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by raoul » 06 Aug 2019, 13:23

Bixer wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 12:38
Would you believe I have Sterling, Salah, Kane and KdB
I have played around with a 541 and 451 that has all four of them, and as long as there are 5.5m defenders or mids who look pickable it works. Just.

Of course if Greenwood starts in week 1 and you could go 532...

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by cymbalrush84 » 06 Aug 2019, 15:16

Bixer wrote:Would you believe I have Sterling, Salah, Kane and KdB
I would believe it, but I'd like to see at what detriment...

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by Mike1989 » 06 Aug 2019, 15:28

cymbalrush84 wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 15:16
Bixer wrote:Would you believe I have Sterling, Salah, Kane and KdB
I would believe it, but I'd like to see at what detriment...

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Best I could come up with;

Ryan (Button)
Maguire, Zinchenko + (C Taylor, Mings, Diop)
Salah, Sterling, KDB, Ceballos (Dendoncker)
Kane, Wesley, Murray

If Burnley sell Tarkowski and Gibson ends up starting for them that does free up an extra .5 that would allow one of the 6m strikers to become King or Jota, or that could be allocated to a 6m defender like Walker or Azpilicueta.

I'm not going with this XV, it's a bit top heavy but I can see the appeal of having four big hitters and supplementing them with what's affordable.

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by dustyb » 06 Aug 2019, 15:29

Maybe I'm missing something, but i don't see the value in Salah? The aim of the game is to maximise points, not goals, so we're looking for best value: points per million.

Salah scored 259 and is priced at 12.5m. If we choose someone at half the value, say Luiz at £6.0m, his return was 164 points. If we double that he's 328 points, so much better value than Salah.

It's pretty obvious to me that there's much better value in defence. I like watching attackers trying to score, so I find it difficult to go defensive, but that's the rational move. I can't see the merit in trying to squeeze in all the mid/fwd big hitters?

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by bspittles » 06 Aug 2019, 15:33

It would be Salah + someone vs double Luiz. If we could use our £100m to buy (and play) as many players as we like, then you'd be correct!

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by dustyb » 06 Aug 2019, 15:42

I acknowledge that you need a couple of the big point scorers, as it's like squeezing two mid-value players in one slot, however if you go 4 big hitting attackers, you have to skimp on defence, which is where the value is. All about finding the balance I guess, just don't see it in having Sterline, Salah, Kane and KDB

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by Mike1989 » 06 Aug 2019, 15:46

dustyb wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 15:29
Maybe I'm missing something, but i don't see the value in Salah? The aim of the game is to maximise points, not goals, so we're looking for best value: points per million.

Salah scored 259 and is priced at 12.5m. If we choose someone at half the value, say Luiz at £6.0m, his return was 164 points. If we double that he's 328 points, so much better value than Salah.

It's pretty obvious to me that there's much better value in defence. I like watching attackers trying to score, so I find it difficult to go defensive, but that's the rational move. I can't see the merit in trying to squeeze in all the mid/fwd big hitters?
Let's say you take Perez and Luiz, they combined for roughly 300 points. That is more than Salah's 259 points from last season. However, the problem with this line of thought is that it doesn't take into account captaincy. It is unlikely that most players would captain Perez or Luiz, perhaps Perez on a DGW if it was favourable. The difference with Salah is he's almost an every week captain, so he will score substantially more than the 259 and Perez/Luiz with the captain's armband.

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by dustyb » 06 Aug 2019, 15:49

Interesting point about the captaincy actually, hadn't considered that :lol:
* tears up team sheet*

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by Mike1989 » 06 Aug 2019, 16:01

dustyb wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 15:42
I acknowledge that you need a couple of the big point scorers, as it's like squeezing two mid-value players in one slot, however if you go 4 big hitting attackers, you have to skimp on defence, which is where the value is. All about finding the balance I guess, just don't see it in having Sterline, Salah, Kane and KDB
Rough point tally for that team is 1712 for the starting XI. I've swapped in AWB and Keane and project they'll match last season's tally, Ryan/Button combined for 119 points, I've swapped in Neves as my fourth midfielder, and projected 120 points for the second and third striker.

Take out one star and go with Pope, Walker, VVD, AWB, Salah, Sterling, Barkley, Neves, Kane, King, Murray. That comes to 1776 points working on the basis that Kane hits a minimum of 200 points, the keeper nets 120, and Barkley gets 120 points.

Take out another star to go with Pope, Walker, VVD, AWB, Salah, Sterling, Anderson, Perez, Vardy, King, Jota. That comes to 1841 working on the basis everyone matches last year's production and the goalkeeper gets 120 points.

So you are right that a more balanced team could rack up more points than a top heavy team, and this is my preferred option. However, it can be difficult to leave out one of Salah, Kane and Sterling. Factor in Auba and Aguero, and picking only one or two of them can be difficult. But if done right, the team can thrive without being too top heavy.

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Re: Sterling, Salah and Kane

Post by dustyb » 06 Aug 2019, 16:12

Absolutely, it's about finding the balance, and half the fun of the game I guess.

Your point about captaincy has really thrown a spanner in the works though. If you captained Salah every week as an example, that doubles his entire tally for the season. If the money spent on him was spread between other players, you can still only captain one of the other ones.

Impossible to model exactly, but gut feeling to me seems like 2/3 big guns, then distribute the money around on best value players elsewhere. Use subs to swap your big guns based on form, swap captaincy each week based on form/fixtures.

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