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FISO Super/Mini Leagues & Side Games 18/19 onwards

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by Vid » 29 Jul 2018, 16:57 » in FISO 'Champion of Champions'
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A reminder to everyone regarding the Forum Rules regarding Leagues and Side Games, especially where cash and/ or prizes are involved!

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Ehm, did you try to create it on FPL site?
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FISO Forum Rules

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by Vid » 10 Jan 2014, 09:52 » in FISO Forum News

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Forum Rules – updated 10th January 2014

These rules supersede the previous Forum Etiquette and come into force immediately and are linked to...

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FPL's 2020-21 T&CS has included this new rule

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Next Gig you are going to go to...........

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As a flip side to the first gig you went to and remembering that your only as old as the woman you feel................ooooh eerrrrr....... What is...

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Just got back from the Waterboys at Rock City
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Muzik

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by maxi123 » 02 Feb 2025, 12:38

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RIP Marianne Faithfull! Emblematic UK pop singer. :(

She was good person.

Best regards, Maxi!

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I remember having a bit of a crush on her when I was a nipper. After she turned things around she did some good stuff. Sadly missed.

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Queen - I Want It All - Lego Stop Motion

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by kickrem » 13 Jan 2025, 19:20

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Hi Sirs,

I want to invite you to watch the video my son Leonardo, 11 years old, did with Lego for the song I Want it All. I hope you will enjoy it!...

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RIP Marianne Faithfull! Emblematic UK pop singer.

An interesting place to post this maxi, and interesting description, not really a pop singer as...

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31 Jan 2025, 22:22
Albums of the year 2024

Last post by Knulpuk « 28 Dec 2024, 08:07
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by unc.si » 29 Nov 2024, 17:26

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Nearly December so here's my top 10 albums of the year so far:

Top 5 (no particular order):

Fontaines DC, Romance
Hurray for the Riff Raff, The...

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In the same vein as many of the above but I think missing

Tucker Zimmerman - Dance of Love (great if you are also a Big Thief fan)
Pernice Brothers...

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28 Dec 2024, 08:07
Spotify Wrapped

Last post by unc.si « 06 Dec 2024, 17:11
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by unc.si » 05 Dec 2024, 16:56

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So Spotify has just told me what I've listened to the most this year.

501 different artists, 26,820 minutes and 1,847 different songs (which...

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Apparently I’m in the top 0.001% of Waxahatchee listeners!

I doubt it. That must include the vast population of Spotify who have never listened to...

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06 Dec 2024, 17:11
Pixies - new material

Last post by murf « 27 Oct 2024, 11:01
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by moonlightdribbler » 28 Jun 2013, 15:08
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So, the Pixies are releasing their first new track for 9 years. A track called 'BAGBOY'

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More info:

onclick=...

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Weren't they Pussy Riot at one time?

Pussy Riot are Russian aren't they, and quite recent? Suspect they were influenced by the likes of Kim Deal,...
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27 Oct 2024, 11:01
FONTAINES D.C

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by MADCHESTER UTD » 22 Sep 2024, 14:37

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Wow! Late to the party but “Favourite” and “Starburster” are the 2 best songs I’ve heard in the last 20 years! Unbelievable songs. Been on repeat for...

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Wow! Late to the party but “Favourite” and “Starburster” are the 2 best songs I’ve heard in the last 20 years! Unbelievable songs. Been on repeat for...

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26 Sep 2024, 11:43
Oasis reunion tour

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by forestfan » 27 Aug 2024, 12:07
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So it’s official… UK and Ireland-wide stadium dates announced for 2025, but it appears no Glastonbury, no TV coverage and no new recorded music, for...

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Hang around on Wembley Way on the night and there’ll be someone offering one for 10 grand ;)
There's one born every minute.

Yeah, I know, it will...
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18 Sep 2024, 20:03
This week I am mostly listening to....

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by bluenosey » 16 Nov 2012, 20:13
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Not to take anything away from the Currently drinking/currently playing thread or the Albums of the Year thread, I just thought I'd open a new...

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At the moment listening to Cassandra Jenkins' follow up to the excellent Overview on Phenomenal Nature. 2024 album is My Light, My Destroyer. Jazz...
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21 Jul 2024, 09:40
Glastonbury 24

Last post by forestfan « 01 Jul 2024, 12:06
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by unc.si. » 30 Jun 2024, 21:57

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some great sets from Glastonbury on iPlayer.

Paul Heaton on great form, with special appearance from Norman Cook
Dexy's with a really tight band....

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Didn’t Tom get charged with assaulting his fiancée?

Suspect they’re much better off without him.

Well yeah, I was talking from a purely musical...

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01 Jul 2024, 12:06
Albums of the year 2023

Last post by blahblah « 26 Dec 2023, 00:06
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by quizking » 25 Dec 2023, 23:47

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This used to be a regular thing on fiso, I still post my list on socials yearly and just had to repost having made a typo, so thought might list here...

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What's the EbtG one like? Olde style melancholic or dancey?

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26 Dec 2023, 00:06
and the band played waltzing Matilda

Last post by Frank Zito « 13 Dec 2023, 08:59
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by unc.si. » 30 Nov 2023, 12:47

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RIP Shane

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It's an Australian song.

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13 Dec 2023, 08:59
Glastonbury 23

Last post by Moon Knight « 02 Jul 2023, 18:06
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by blahblah » 21 Jun 2023, 23:57
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Here's the play list

Xavier Rudd got a few mentions here a while back.

There's loads more dross than good stuff, but a lot better to watch on the...

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Has she got a great stage presence or are you just a dirty old man?
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02 Jul 2023, 18:06
Tina Turner diest at 83

Last post by Malrom « 24 May 2023, 20:12

by Malrom » 24 May 2023, 20:12

R.I.P. Tina Turner

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24 May 2023, 20:12
6Music

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by Zimmerman » 02 Mar 2012, 08:07
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6 is 10 years old this month.

On Monday all the tracks played will be from 2002.

Can't (off the top of my head) think what I might have been...

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Yep. I was put off by the funk and soul bit as it usually means shite (usually a black person doing dull, mainstream pop), but he played great stuff...
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05 Apr 2023, 13:47
Definitely Maybe (25 today).

Last post by murf « 07 Mar 2023, 20:49
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by Zimmerman » 29 Aug 2019, 08:09
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Loved this album as an 18yo and Oasis would go on to soundtrack a fair chunk of my later teens and early 20’s. Loved Oasis at the time and saw them...

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Turned the radio on earlier, they were playing New Order's brilliant classic Blue Monday

At the end they said it was FORTY years ago today it was...
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07 Mar 2023, 20:49
Oklahoma Ponies

Last post by Malrom « 29 Dec 2022, 21:25
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by Malrom » 29 Dec 2022, 20:18

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Oklahoma Ponies Mark Knopfler
Seems to be a „cover“ from an old Irish Folk Song
Does anybody know which one?

Not sure if it‘s really Irish or an Old...

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Oklahoma Ponies Mark Knopfler
Seems to be a „cover“ from an old Irish Folk Song
Does anybody know which one?

Not sure if it‘s really Irish or an Old...

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29 Dec 2022, 21:25
Songs about complicated feelings

Last post by awildacard « 07 Dec 2022, 06:47
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by jamesdillard » 23 May 2022, 04:37

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Hello everyone! I search for a very specifict topic for music. Do you know the feeling when you don't love someone, but you still don't like them...

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The Wedding Present have form in this genre:

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My Favourite Weddoes song... So good I have it twice on 7 white vinyl! still lovin it...

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07 Dec 2022, 06:47
Three Lions (It's Coming Home for Christmas)

Last post by forestfan « 20 Nov 2022, 13:05
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by bluenosey » 20 Nov 2022, 11:41

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Ahh, feels a bit more like a World Cup.

When I first heard that there was a new version of this song out I thought, rather cynically, yep, that's...

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There is now exactly twice as much 'hurt' as when that was first released :shock:

(as any decent pedant knows, S&B are wrong as the hurt didn't...

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20 Nov 2022, 13:05
Recordshops in Berlin

Last post by PleasedToMichu « 05 Aug 2022, 05:38
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by PleasedToMichu » 09 Jul 2022, 22:03

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Jobtrip to Berlin this fall, any recommendations of second hand recordshops there? Preferably with a good selection of prog/rock/kraut from the 70'....

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Alright, I've been in contact with several shops down there, so I can shift focus over to what I should be looking for. As a emerging fan of kraut I...

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05 Aug 2022, 05:38
Glastonbury '22

Last post by blahblah « 28 Jun 2022, 18:54
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by blahblah » 24 Jun 2022, 17:38
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BBC iPlayer seems to be sorted out and is streaming each stage 👏👏👏👏

JAMC and Primal Scream finish up on John Peel stage tonight from 9pm (ish) 😎😎😎...

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You would think that they would have sorted the loos out by now?
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Last post by blahblah
28 Jun 2022, 18:54
New Muse Single

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Dropped on YouTube yesterday. Has a football chant vibe

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06 Jun 2022, 07:04
Angela Rayner's Legs

Last post by Guppings « 30 Apr 2022, 19:55
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by blahblah » 27 Apr 2022, 15:29

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Has she got Norah Batty thighs?

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Fred Titmuss?

Abi was more fun.

I knew it, you're a Tory MP :lol:

Abi was properly hot :P

Yep 8-)

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30 Apr 2022, 19:55
Alive and well musicians/bands

Last post by forestfan « 01 Mar 2022, 13:32
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by Jan135 » 01 Mar 2022, 10:30

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Hello! Seeing so many RIP posts is really upsetting. So how about we talk about alive and well musicians that are still kicking. They are not...

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Eddie Vedder: Hey, I, oh, I'm still alive

Quite prophetic given he’s about the only grunge frontman left standing (aside from Grohl who wasn’t a...

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01 Mar 2022, 13:32
Best Instrumentals To Hit The Top 40 ?

Last post by jacool « 15 Sep 2021, 13:03
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by Wayward Lad » 30 May 2008, 19:20
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Must be loads over the decades .. thought it might be fun to get them into a single thread with You Tube links if possible...

I will start off with...

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This got to No. 51 !!
Biosphere - Novelty Waves

Levis ad here where it was used - a classic

Alternate ad here :)
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15 Sep 2021, 13:03
Album of the year 2020

Last post by quizking « 24 Dec 2020, 17:58
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by unc.si. » 10 Dec 2020, 20:22

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still thinking about it, but a few contenders from looking at what I've been listening to lately:

Fiona Apple - Fetch the Boltcutters
Illuminati...

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You can filter the best ever albums polls in any number of ways, including nationality; here's this year's list at the moment -

... and filtered...

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24 Dec 2020, 17:58
Most hated songs ever

Last post by forestfan « 19 Nov 2020, 21:45
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by Darbyand » 21 Jul 2009, 12:36
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Along with some mates I've been having a Fever Pitch moment and compiled a top ten of most hated songs ever. The results are below. Mine are the ones...

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At least Cowell and the Zzz Factor have b*ggered off now, so the Forest sausage roll man wins it every year (I presume he’s going for the...
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19 Nov 2020, 21:45
Good new albums 2020

Last post by wahine « 13 Oct 2020, 01:23
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by unc.si. » 13 Apr 2020, 19:14

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So what new albums are you loving at the moment (new being 2020).

Best so far for me is Grimes, Miss Anthropocene.
Electronic/dance ish. If you...

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Album - not yet😀 but a patriotic plug for young Harper Finn (yep Tim's Son) just released single Dance Away These Days

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13 Oct 2020, 01:23
Last Night of The Proms

Last post by forestfan « 25 Aug 2020, 10:38
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by RomynPG » 07 Sep 2013, 22:04

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Haven't watched this for years ... really enjoying it... :)

Nigel Kennedy may be a bit of a knob sometimes but I think you're allowed a bit of...

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The last night is just a bit odd all round to be honest. A bit like the Boat race. once a year people who would normally have zero interest get very...

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25 Aug 2020, 10:38
Covers maybe not better than the original but great in their own right

Last post by blahblah « 22 Aug 2020, 19:37
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by Stena Bib » 22 Aug 2020, 19:17

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Starting 2 with covers of Across The Universe.

Fiona Apple:

Rufus Wainwright:

Both with great videos, which helps

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What are you drinking?

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22 Aug 2020, 19:37
em9999 - And Music

Last post by em9999 « 21 Aug 2020, 21:26

by em9999 » 21 Aug 2020, 21:26

I made a song about depression and wanted to say hi on FISO and share

thankyou i hope you are all well

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21 Aug 2020, 21:26
Songs that you just have to play over and over again...

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by Stena Bib » 19 Jul 2019, 08:02
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big little lies soundtrack: The series is quite addictive too !!

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Feel free to add your own Addictives

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Aldous Harding - Blend
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16 Aug 2020, 16:41
R.I.P Peter Green

Last post by blahblah « 25 Jul 2020, 18:32
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by Spinynorman » 25 Jul 2020, 18:19

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Farewell Peter Green one of the great guitarists and innovators. Back in the day when he was the main man Fleetwood Mac were truly amazing.

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Far more your scene\era but I struggle to like Floyd after Syd as I do with non-early Mac.

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25 Jul 2020, 18:32
R.I.P Florian Schneider

Last post by Lucky7s « 07 May 2020, 01:26
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by Spinynorman » 06 May 2020, 21:19

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A musical pioneer. He acquired his first synthesizer in 1970 and never looked back. I loved Autobahn but it was the follow up Radio-Activity that did...

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Bloody hell another music legend gone RIP Florian :( :(

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07 May 2020, 01:26
Albums of the year 2019

Last post by sean121 « 28 Apr 2020, 08:35
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by unc.si. » 30 Dec 2019, 10:52

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Apart from FontainesDC,s Dogrel and Nick Cave’s Ghosteen (plus an honourable mention for the Pixies best album since their reformation) it’s felt...

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For me- WHEN WE ALL FALL ASLEEP, WHERE DO WE GO? by Billie Eilish

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28 Apr 2020, 08:35
Who? Err, mmm, yeah - s'good - "WEMYS"

Last post by Knulpuk « 18 Mar 2020, 11:32
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by Knulpuk » 19 Mar 2014, 22:30

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So bands / musicians you are probably sure most people have not heard of but you constantly wonder why not - lets share some hidden love :D

Kelley...

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Saw Jesse on Sunday night in what might be the last gig for a while - anyhow - upbeat and quite joyful, just what we need

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18 Mar 2020, 11:32
On dead waves

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by bspittles » 08 Feb 2019, 23:50

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Only just discovered the self-titled album by On Dead Waves. The female singer is Polly Scattergood, who previous work I’d admired. Breathless vocals...

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also like

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19 Feb 2020, 11:15
Glastonbury 2019

Last post by llama « 02 Jul 2019, 08:55
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by unc.si. » 28 Jun 2019, 08:04

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Anyone there? Anyone care?
BBC wall to wall coverage starting today.
Looking forward to seeing Idles, Fontaines DC and Stormzy today. Plus Kylie of...

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Looking like a vintage year. It seems the weather was a bit much for some people but musically it has been absolute quality. Almost every act I...

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02 Jul 2019, 08:55
Let it happen bass player (HMHB thread)

Last post by murf « 14 Jun 2019, 21:36
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by murf » 15 May 2008, 22:42
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Other than creating lyrics to quote in appropriate (and not so appropriate) places on FISO, Half Man Half Biscuit also make music.

Being of a...

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Not swerving the checkatrade....

Just read that Liverpool have weighed up all the pros and cons and will be entering for the first time this season.
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14 Jun 2019, 21:36
My Pink Triangle (rip)

Last post by Spinynorman « 22 May 2019, 19:33
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by Spinynorman » 01 Dec 2012, 21:19
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My trusty and really rather groovy Pink Triangle has finally expired and I've learnt today that there isn't much I can do about it. :(

Fantastic...

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Fair play to them for talking you through a self fix rather than just taking your money for nothing.

I thought exactly the same. I was very...
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22 May 2019, 19:33
Record players / turntables

Last post by Billy Whiz « 24 Apr 2019, 19:52
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by unc.si. » 03 Mar 2019, 19:01

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I've got a mildly significant birthday coming up soon (actually seems to be far more significant to others than me - just another day as far as I'm...

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Bit late now, but I've got a Rega Planar 2, had it for years, would recommend it.

I also recently upgraded my speakers to a pair of Dali Spektor 2,...

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Last post by Billy Whiz
24 Apr 2019, 19:52
Spotify

Last post by unc.si. « 28 Mar 2019, 13:00
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by SUZYKINS » 28 Mar 2019, 09:46

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Decent offer on at the min, anyone with Spotify family can get a free Google speaker (£50.00 ish)
So for £14.99 you get a free speaker, can cancel...

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ps - how do you actually get this? I've got spotify family but logging on to my account seems to give me zero clues as to how to redeem the offer :?...

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28 Mar 2019, 13:00
Keith Flint

Last post by murf « 11 Mar 2019, 13:44
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by bluenosey » 04 Mar 2019, 20:32

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Formed towards the tail end of acid house, rave pioneers, then turning...

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He'd done a Parkrun PB of 21:22 a couple of days before he died, at the course I started at. 2 and a half minutes faster than I ever managed.

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Last post by murf
11 Mar 2019, 13:44
Which MJ Song do you Listen most of the Time?

Last post by Billy Whiz « 25 Jan 2019, 16:40
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by DonaldSilver » 19 Jun 2018, 14:03
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Hi,

I'm a huge Michael Jackson Fan and I've been listening to the music since the Jacksons 5. My Favorite Album is Dangerous. But my favorite song...

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Billie Jean his best song, for me

I think Off the Wall was wildly overrated. I bought it at the time but after several years of not listening to it,...
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25 Jan 2019, 16:40
Remixes and Covers

Last post by bloggie « 20 Dec 2018, 09:41

by bloggie » 20 Dec 2018, 09:41

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20 Dec 2018, 09:41
Albums of the Year 2018

Last post by mad dog « 14 Dec 2018, 14:48
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by Darbyand » 13 Dec 2018, 17:03

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This was a thread that used to build up nicely over the year with some end-of-year poll shares and personal top 5/10s posted in December. In the...

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Razorlights album out the other month or so was decent I thought. But I like that early 2000s stuff

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14 Dec 2018, 14:48
IAN BROWN “First world problems”

Last post by bluenosey « 04 Nov 2018, 18:22
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by MADCHESTER UTD » 04 Nov 2018, 11:47

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Anyone else heard it yet? Seems to have split opinion a bit; some say it’s very basic, not particularly original, too long at 6 mins, not as good as...

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Brown's single is OK, a bit of a grower, maybe, albeit lengthy.

Damon Albarn's voice just sounds so flat in that record and you could argue that...

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Last post by bluenosey
04 Nov 2018, 18:22
Unusual order confirmation.

Last post by forestfan « 05 Oct 2018, 22:53
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by Spinynorman » 05 Oct 2018, 21:50

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Just ordered a cd from an American firm called CD BABY and received the following e-mail confirmation:

Thanks for your order with CD Baby!

Your...

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Seems typically Portland (if we're talking about the right one, there's at least two...)

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Last post by forestfan
05 Oct 2018, 22:53
DMA'S. Anyone heard of them?

Last post by Maldini « 19 Jun 2018, 21:20
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by MADCHESTER UTD » 29 Feb 2016, 23:13

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Discovered this band literally about 4 days ago. and I friggin love them! Was trawling through twatter looking for the latest The Stone Roses info...

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I hope the poor sods don't have to listen to Kasabian in Belfast.

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Last post by Maldini
19 Jun 2018, 21:20
Em9999 needs support

Last post by em9999 « 04 Jun 2018, 00:29
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by em9999 » 15 Jan 2018, 03:21

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Dear fiso.. take time to check out some of my music

Signed em9999
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A.k.a evil twin

Both tracks are on sale online and doing well

Thanks

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I'm making hip hop and would appreciate any support with regard my YouTube channel..

This is a plug but this time in the correct place

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04 Jun 2018, 00:29

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