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National Club Golfer 2018

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Entries are open for this year although I'm having trouble verifying my E-Mail at the moment.

https://ncgfantasygolf.com

Good luck everyone

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Re: National Club Golfer 2018

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Hi All

Has anyone managed to pick a team yet, I keep going around in circles trying to get my e-mail verified !!

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No.

But as it says, typically the window where you can select a team is 2 to 3 days before the event, I would not expect to be able to yet

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Re: National Club Golfer 2018

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graysman wrote: 20 Mar 2018, 14:50 Hi All

Has anyone managed to pick a team yet, I keep going around in circles trying to get my e-mail verified !!
Managed to set my account validated (ended up using my phone). Practice week next week which isn't open yet. Completely different format this year.

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Re: National Club Golfer 2018

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Dad Dancer wrote: 21 Mar 2018, 19:41
graysman wrote: 20 Mar 2018, 14:50 Hi All

Has anyone managed to pick a team yet, I keep going around in circles trying to get my e-mail verified !!
Managed to set my account validated (ended up using my phone). Practice week next week which isn't open yet. Completely different format this year.
Thanks. I've managed to validate the team now, but I've also had to use my phone, it wouldn't work using my desktop for some reason.

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Re: National Club Golfer 2018

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Dreadful website. Giving this one a miss.

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Re: National Club Golfer 2018

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It is a poor site and unusable on my phone.

I quite like the format and scoring though and it seems to work on my laptop so am going to give it a go.

Any interest in a FISO mini league?

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Re: National Club Golfer 2018

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ralphypne wrote: 31 Mar 2018, 18:35 It is a poor site and unusable on my phone.

I quite like the format and scoring though and it seems to work on my laptop so am going to give it a go.

Any interest in a FISO mini league?
I'd be up for it aye

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I would join a FISO league too

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Website much better on laptop so popped a team in after all.

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Quite easy on the laptop and up for mini league

Tried on phone and agree its hard to navigate, however if you change your phone setting to desktop format it works OK

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Re: National Club Golfer 2018

Post by topspur »

Doesn't appear to be any leagues in this one - or have I missed something ?

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Think i have found the.mini league

Joining link here


https://ncgfantasygolf.com/#joincompeti ... nYmA5YTMxX

*** EDIT ***
Scratch that, it says you have joined but then nothing showing

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Re: National Club Golfer 2018

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One for the purists this game. Much prefer it to the other overly complicated games.

Anyone faring well? An unspectacular start for me but comfortably in the top 100.

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Yeah, really enjoying this one. Again not doing fantastic, about 80th I think but a great format.

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It's a decent player selection format, isn't it?

Not good on the phone though :lol:

Here's the top 50:
    • Pos Tot Score Wk Score Team
      1 1825 743 Sweepette's Lads
      2 1810 653 MAJESTICS
      3 1803 716 woodys aces
      4 1799 668 Cotty's Crackers
      5 1784 748 FAIRWAYS AND TWITCHES
      6 1768 743 Lizzies Lads
      7 1740 695 4 Putt Slut
      8 1738 647 The rubadubs
      9 1737 750 Samcro
      10 1729 843 bonnersteam
      11 1723 617 The Cheese Slicers
      12 1718 685 Toffeelover
      13 1713 641 Roo Bears
      13 1713 681 Chipandpin
      15 1710 643 No chance
      16 1703 675 Hey Jude
      17 1696 571 Power & Glory
      18 1695 647 Maldini
      19 1688 582 Conna
      20 1686 719 Ryder Winners
      21 1679 761 diddi’s duffers
      22 1668 721 3 off the tee
      23 1667 689 Harold Melvin & the Bluenotes
      24 1655 740 Ironknuts
      24 1655 638 Nohopers
      26 1647 587 Thegrassisalwaysgreener
      27 1643 622 Left it short again
      27 1643 713 Fresher's Folly
      29 1627 661 alicante
      30 1625 534 The Duck Hooks
      31 1624 593 toonarmy
      32 1623 691 Yellow Bellies
      33 1618 673 MIKE'S MARVELS
      34 1610 625 Meglew
      35 1608 655 Cotswold drivers
      36 1602 647 STILL 27
      37 1595 622 The Wizards Sleeve
      37 1595 706 Fabio's Faders
      39 1589 720 jimbdunn@sky.com
      40 1588 571 Aussie Stars
      40 1588 501 THEBRIDIEMEN
      42 1587 642 The Mansons
      43 1586 556 Steve Balds Euros
      44 1584 701 Mustard Men
      45 1583 720 Hardacres Heroes
      46 1578 518 STUARTS LADS
      47 1577 562 Cooking on Gas
      48 1571 662 Fattybarnrats
      49 1566 575 Hole in ten
      50 1561 555 The Short Irons
Highlighted a few familiar names in there, have I missed anyone?

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Re: National Club Golfer 2018

Post by Trotter »

It's certainly a different competition, where basically getting players through the cut, is almost more important than winning.

You can have say your players finish 1,2,3 and have 3 missed cuts, and will be a lot worse off than having say 6 players finish around 25th to 30th.

I like that they give running score update after each round, have to think a lot more about squad selection than usual, and you can see who everyone else has picked, but scoring system does seem a bit alien.

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hi, i am the provider of the ncg game this year, its a new venture for us, few teething problems at the start regarding registration, my apologies, and the mobile version clearly needs work! really glad to hear some positive comments regarding the game though.

i am an ex tour player, and an ex fantasy golf player, and it was a bad experience playing a season long fantasy game, that prompted me to design my own game, based on this and other FG experiences.

like i said its early days, and we already have a few tweaks planned, incuding an interesting off season game, following a slightly different format, that will be introduced either this or next winter.

hopefully as you continue to play the game and progress through the months you will keep sharing your feedback on here, good or bad, as its my aim over the years to tweak what we have here into the best game out there, the goal being a real pureists game whilst keeping it fun.

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Post by Boddington »

I think fantasy golf is crying out for some form of tournament during November to March.
It really would be a welcomed bonus.

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Re: National Club Golfer 2018

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2nd in the team of the week this week and winner of a £50 teeofftimes voucher , nice!

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Re: National Club Golfer 2018

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Very nice. The more I play this game the more I enjoy it, having good weeks and bad weeks but I think it’s an excellent test.


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Yep. It is very fluctuating event, can easily make up or lose 200 points on the field in a week (which is the difference between say 20th and 100th positions)

However scoring wise, some of the main competitions (Masters, WGC events, End of season FedEx Cup series, Dubai Tour Championship etc.) will have less points effect than regular run of the mill events as they are a limited field, so maybe for future may be worth double pointing them, or coming up with a field size multiplier

Totally agree with Boddington, the fantasy golf world is crying out for competitions between November to start of the Masters (and will be even more important next year with Players moving to March from May

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Fully agree - the Major tournaments should carry double points as they are harder to predict, tend to have all the main players and are the pinnacle periods of the season.
Furthermore i think it is possible to introduce this during the season without any detriment to any players.
Including this for the Fed-Ex and Race to Dubai at the end of the season will create a finale that involves a lot more players who may otherwise feel their fantasy season is over.
It is also refreshing that the set up for this tournament means that the strategy of piling in the best players with a couple of rank outsiders each week is unlikely to have long term benefit, as balancing the selections to try and ensure all players making the cut generates more points.

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Cheers for the feedback, the need for a Nov to March is noted and we can certainly satisfy that.

I'm not a fan of inflated scoring systems, like double points for a big event, but perhaps this is something we can tweak based on the feedback. i appreciate it may not be ideal that big events that have a limited field score less. Like i say i cant promise double points, but maybe a tweak or two.

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Ordinarily i would agree regarding the double points, as i feel the skill should be in maximising the section of your team on a weekly basis.
However i believe it is a lot more challenging selecting a team when the top 50 in the world rankings are all playing as opposed to selecting Rahm& Cabrera Bello for Spanish Open or Francesco & Eduardo Molinari for Italian Open.
Also i have found a tendency for players to drop out of fantasy tournaments if they feel they have no chance of winning, so some form of extra points for the Season Finale tournaments (Fedex Cup & RTD home straight) keeps more players interested.
An alternative would be to introduce a separate prize for the best performing players during these finale events, to keep everyone's interest up - ie a tournament within the main tournament.
Though just the Nov - Mar tournament is enough to keep me happy :)

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It is just in this competition in a normal week a winning golfer will get something like 160 points, in the season ending competition they may get 40 points (due to much less golfers in the event)

I am not necessarily a fan of double points for certain events, or captains earning double points, however the scoring system should at least allow you to earn similar or more points for a good selection in the limited high quality field events, than it does in the regular tour events, some of which may not even have any of the Top 100 players in world playing. To in effect have 4 times as many points available to be won in say the Andalucia Masters than the Tour Championship just feels totally wrong. You could pick 1,2,3,4,5,6 and an opponent pick 25,26,27,28,29 and 30 in that event, and the points differential literally equates to the same as picking a player that finishes Top 10 to one player that misses a cut in any regular event. It literally makes the tournament near irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

You only need to look at effect the limited fields have had on the scores so far
Winning scores in each event

Masters (limited field) 496
RBC Heritage 720
Valero Texas 843
Volvo China 836
Wells Fargo 851
Players 766


The 2 tournaments that really should have the most points available Masters (88 field) and Players (144 field) actually award the lowest points (RBC was shorter than the usual 156 field also)


I like the simplicity of the scoring system, but really think that size of field needs to be taken into account, so arguably x2 for Masters, as it is roughly half size of normal tour event, up to maybe x5 for US Tour Championship (as only 20% usual field size) may be appropriate. and even then would only bring those events on par with regular events

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Re: National Club Golfer 2018

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Bogeyfreered.

When you click on a golfers name from the selection page to see current form, I was trying to sort by date in order to see most recent. The sort though takes date of the month (irrelevant of which month). Could this be fixed please ?

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Re: National Club Golfer 2018

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Trotter wrote: 14 May 2018, 19:55 It is just in this competition in a normal week a winning golfer will get something like 160 points, in the season ending competition they may get 40 points (due to much less golfers in the event)

I am not necessarily a fan of double points for certain events, or captains earning double points, however the scoring system should at least allow you to earn similar or more points for a good selection in the limited high quality field events, than it does in the regular tour events, some of which may not even have any of the Top 100 players in world playing. To in effect have 4 times as many points available to be won in say the Andalucia Masters than the Tour Championship just feels totally wrong. You could pick 1,2,3,4,5,6 and an opponent pick 25,26,27,28,29 and 30 in that event, and the points differential literally equates to the same as picking a player that finishes Top 10 to one player that misses a cut in any regular event. It literally makes the tournament near irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

You only need to look at effect the limited fields have had on the scores so far
Winning scores in each event

Masters (limited field) 496
RBC Heritage 720
Valero Texas 843
Volvo China 836
Wells Fargo 851
Players 766


The 2 tournaments that really should have the most points available Masters (88 field) and Players (144 field) actually award the lowest points (RBC was shorter than the usual 156 field also)


I like the simplicity of the scoring system, but really think that size of field needs to be taken into account, so arguably x2 for Masters, as it is roughly half size of normal tour event, up to maybe x5 for US Tour Championship (as only 20% usual field size) may be appropriate. and even then would only bring those events on par with regular events
I agree wholeheartedly. I don't think they should be weighted excessively over regular tournaments as makes it too much of a crapshoot for my taste but for the best (&most watched) tournaments to yield less points does feel like a fault in the scoring system.

However, @bogeyfreered, this is meant as constructive feedback on a game I'm thoroughly enjoying.

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Re: National Club Golfer 2018

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wow, thanks so much for all the input, this was just what i was hoping for when i signed up to the forum.

regarding the sort issue on the player page Trotter, it is currently with my developer, hope to have this ironed out asap.

the basis of the scoring is you get a point for each player your player beats in a tournament. i couldnt think of or design a truer, fairer way to score than that.
i hate over inflated bonuses for the winner, as players then are simply picking a team in the hope they get the winner (which is the same format as betting, no)...therefore the team effort is largely irrelevant. i really wanted to counter those formats here. although in hindsight maybe i havent quite got right the big limited field events, like some of you rightly state.

i will say though, i still do believe a player who gets all his team in the top 10 at tour championship, still couldnt earn anywhere near the same points as someone who acheieves the same in a regular 156 field pga or european event. particulary considering the full field event may contain all 30 players that were at tour championship. I would love to hear what anyone thinks on how these two hypothetical scenarios should score in relation to each other. i think that would be really interesting.

i appreciate and accept all the feedback, so what i promise to do is consider some tweaks regarding making the limited field events a bit more relevant, without compromising the core belief surrounding scoring. this belief stems from personal opinion that bigger events are slightly easier to predict, due to the players being more exposed and well known, combined with a wealth of extra stats and information offered by the media in the lead up to majors. therefore i believe its more straighforward getting or being well informed on the event. that is why i decided not to offer inflated scoring based on event.

i'll have a think, perhaps inthe meantime you wouldnt mind suggesting which limited field events you would like to see with perhaps some inflated position scoring?

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Re: National Club Golfer 2018

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bogeyfreered.

The points gap between the 2 extreme examples (full field and US Tour Champs is listed below to show the issue).

If you get placed 1-6 in a regular event of 156 players, Winner gets 165 points, 2nd 162, 3rd 159, 4th 156, 5th 153 and 6th 151 (plus any round bonuses they may accrue) This would mean a hypothetical maximum of 946 points. In theory you could beat a competitor by 931 points if they selected the players finishing bottom 6 places.
In Tour Championship with field of 30 players, Winner gets 40 points, 2nd 37, 3rd 34, 4th 31, 5th 28 and 6th 25 (plus any round bonuses). This would mean a hypothetical maximum of 205 points, which is basically the same as getting 6 players all missing the cut and finishing roughly 120th in the aforementioned tournament.

Whilst yes, it should in theory be a lot easier to select the Top 6 in the Tour Championship. it still should really offer at least the same points in my view as a regular event, and give players a similar chance to gain on opponents due to their good selections, and lets remember your innovative rank buster system makes just going by picking big in-form players picked by pundits impossible anyway even for the limited field events, and you can always set the rank buster relatively high, say the 80-90 mark that week if you so choose.

The obvious events with limited fields that I think should be tweaked

Masters (c. 88 field) would suggest x2 multiplier, but obviously too late for this season
WGC Bridgestone (c. 76 field) would suggest x2 multiplier
Northern Trust (125 field) would suggest 1.25 multiplier (although lets not into fractions of points, so if implemented, the points are rounded)
Dell Terchnologies (100 field) would suggest 1.5 multiplier (ditto with above comment)
BMW Championship (70 field) would suggest x2 multiplier
US Tour Championship (30 field) would suggest x5 multiplier - maybe could just about get away with x4
HSBC Champions (78 field) would suggest x2 multilplier
Turkish Airlines (78 field) would suggest x2
Nedbank (78 field) would suggest x2
DP Tour CHampionship (60 field) would suggest x3

The reason I have made those suggestions is purely to allow each event to have roughly similar points available to be won. They are not suggested so bigger events get more points (for example have not included US PGA, Open or US Open as you will notice)

In the last 12 weeks of your schedule, there are only 3 full field events (Dunhill Links, British Masters and Andalucia Masters),
if players feel they don't have a realistic chance to catch up due to the anomaly of the scoring system, they will soon give up.
The first of the events I suggest should be adjusted is still some 3 months away, so there is time to change the rules for this season without compromising the integrity of the competition.

Really the only other thing to do in my view to keep things fair would be to totally skip the limited field events and use the other tours events that week, but that would diminish the tournament as these really are the majority of the flagship events we are talking about.


Thanks for sorting out the date issue, I have seen this before and they end up fixing it by putting in another column for Week number, may be a suggestion as quick fix

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