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Re: Trump

Post by Zimmerman » 13 Jul 2018, 16:35

Billy Whiz wrote:
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You wouldn't have thought anything could make Trump look mature by comparison - but Britain has done it with that puerile, embarrassing blimp balloon. Just makes us look as childish and idiotic as he is.
Does it?
Do you view Americans as you do Trump? I don’t judge everyone based on the opinion I have of one person.

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Re: Trump

Post by Billy Whiz » 13 Jul 2018, 16:40

True, but it wasn't just one person who released the blimp; and it was authorised by the Mayor London. Meanwhile tens of thousands of people have taken to the streets to protest against Trump, an absurd over-reaction when you think of all the evils of the world that people just accept without a murmur of protest.

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Post by Maldini » 13 Jul 2018, 16:48

‘Whataboutism’

A variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

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Re: Trump

Post by Zimmerman » 13 Jul 2018, 16:59

Billy Whiz wrote:
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True, but it wasn't just one person who released the blimp; and it was authorised by the Mayor London. Meanwhile tens of thousands of people have taken to the streets to protest against Trump, an absurd over-reaction when you think of all the evils of the world that people just accept without a murmur of protest.
Surely Khan is in a no win position.
He’s merely the mayor. He disallows it and he’s accused of sucking up to the establishment or that we’re no longer a country that permits peaceful protest etc.

To my knowledge it wasn’t his idea, he didn’t fund it.
I’ve not been close to what happened but I think he only gave permission for it to be flown for an hour (earlier in the day when trump wasn’t even there)? All the furore has probably brought more attention to it than would have been possible otherwise.

I do agree that there are/were plenty of other people and things that we should protest about... but then again I’m the sort of person that doesn’t ever feel strongly enough to protest about anything. I’m happy people feel strongly enough to do so - I love them for it. But im too defeatist to think I can be bothered doing anything about ‘it’.

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Re: Trump

Post by Billy Whiz » 13 Jul 2018, 17:23

Or maybe he allowed the blimp because he and Trump don't get on? A win-win situation!

How much more honourable it would have been if, despite that, Khan had banned the blimp anyway, on the grounds that this is not the way a grown-up, civilised people should behave to a visiting head of state, no matter how much they might disagree with his personal views and his (democratically elected) administration's policies

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Re: Trump

Post by Zimmerman » 13 Jul 2018, 17:59

Perhaps, but I think there would be more outrage.

What will be interesting is now that the precedent has been set... is how the next request is handled?

The Tommy Robinson crew are due in London tomorrow, they should have got their thinking caps on.

Despite my ambivalence to protesting, I love the fact we can. So no doubt Khan got some personal joy in allowing it, I’m not sure he has the right to veto it based on nothing more than ‘it might make us look silly’ to some sections of the US. I think there will be more people having a wry smile across the globe than there are looking on ‘us’ with disdain.

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Re: Trump

Post by Dennisthemenace » 13 Jul 2018, 18:13

The only thing certain about what Trump thinks about the UK is that he couldn't give a flying fig about the blimp. :D

Other than that, he might love us, he might hate us, he might be playing us, he might not be playing us, he might hate Boris and Farage, he might love Boris and Farage, he might hate the Germans/French/all the EU, he might love the Germans/French/all the EU....

It's Trump. What goes on in his head is anyone's guess.


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Re: Trump

Post by bluenosey » 13 Jul 2018, 20:46

....and what Trump tends to say, he tends to say the opposite tomorrow :wink:

It's a bit like the old Spitting Image Reagan sketch.

As for Sadiq Khan, well now he's got the blimp business out of the way, he can hopefully knuckle down on preventing knife killings and moped theft in the capital.

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Re: Trump

Post by blahblah » 13 Jul 2018, 20:57

To be followed by the Ms May sex doll :roll:

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Re: Trump

Post by bluenosey » 13 Jul 2018, 20:59

blahblah wrote:
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To be followed by the Ms May sex doll :roll:
Admit it, you'd like that Blah :wink: :D

It would look more like Olive Oyl :D

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Re: Trump

Post by blahblah » 13 Jul 2018, 21:08

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Trump

Post by Maldini » 13 Jul 2018, 21:22

bluenosey wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 20:46
....and what Trump tends to say, he tends to say the opposite tomorrow :wink:

It's a bit like the old Spitting Image Reagan sketch.

As for Sadiq Khan, well now he's got the blimp business out of the way, he can hopefully knuckle down on preventing knife killings and moped theft in the capital.
By pulling 500 police officers who'll work for nothing out of his arse?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ise-london

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Re: Trump

Post by murf » 13 Jul 2018, 21:33

Funny how those in powerful admin positions (police, NHS etc) oversaw the cutting of low level roles rather than the hoped for trimming of bloated admin roles and system when austerity came in and now blame lack of numbers.

Turkeys who got to decide and now moan there isn't a Xmas.

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Re: Trump

Post by Tacalabala » 13 Jul 2018, 23:32

murf wrote:
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Turkeys who got to decide and now moan there isn't a Xmas.
I've read that five or six times, and I'm still not getting it :| :lol:

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Re: Trump

Post by blahblah » 13 Jul 2018, 23:38

Tacalabala wrote:
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murf wrote:
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Turkeys who got to decide and now moan there isn't a Xmas.
I've read that five or six times, and I'm still not getting it :| :lol:
Turkey's not voting for Xmas somewhere along the like?

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Re: Trump

Post by Billy Whiz » 13 Jul 2018, 23:40

I think he means the top admin people (the turkeys) decided there would be no Xmas (ie they, the turkeys, would not be killed), but now they're moaning because there's a shortage of useful people on the ground (who were killed instead).

Makes Ezra Pound's poetry seem crystal clear :P

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Re: Trump

Post by Tacalabala » 13 Jul 2018, 23:40

blahblah wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 23:38
Tacalabala wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 23:32
murf wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 21:33
Turkeys who got to decide and now moan there isn't a Xmas.
I've read that five or six times, and I'm still not getting it :| :lol:
Turkey's not voting for Xmas somewhere along the like?
Yeah, that's great for the turkeys right, no Xmas?

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Re: Trump

Post by blahblah » 13 Jul 2018, 23:45

Tacalabala wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 23:40
blahblah wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 23:38
Tacalabala wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 23:32
murf wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 21:33
Turkeys who got to decide and now moan there isn't a Xmas.
I've read that five or six times, and I'm still not getting it :| :lol:
Turkey's not voting for Xmas somewhere along the like?
Yeah, that's great for the turkeys right, no Xmas?
They would like a Veggie one, although nearly none of them would have been born...

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Re: Trump

Post by Tacalabala » 13 Jul 2018, 23:59

blahblah wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 23:45
Tacalabala wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 23:40
blahblah wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 23:38
Tacalabala wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 23:32
murf wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 21:33
Turkeys who got to decide and now moan there isn't a Xmas.
I've read that five or six times, and I'm still not getting it :| :lol:
Turkey's not voting for Xmas somewhere along the like?
Yeah, that's great for the turkeys right, no Xmas?
They would like a Veggie one, although nearly none of them would have been born...
Sure, but if you're a turkey and you've managed to get Xmas booted into the long grass, you're not ever gonna complain about that are you, it's like a dirty word isn't it, taboo. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Trump

Post by Zimmerman » 14 Jul 2018, 07:48

bluenosey wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 20:46
....and what Trump tends to say, he tends to say the opposite tomorrow :wink:

It's a bit like the old Spitting Image Reagan sketch.

As for Sadiq Khan, well now he's got the blimp business out of the way, he can hopefully knuckle down on preventing knife killings and moped theft in the capital.
Out of interest, is Khan responsible for the knife crime in the midlands, Lancashire and all over the U.K.?

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Re: Trump

Post by murf » 14 Jul 2018, 08:04

Zimmerman wrote:
bluenosey wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 20:46
....and what Trump tends to say, he tends to say the opposite tomorrow :wink:

It's a bit like the old Spitting Image Reagan sketch.

As for Sadiq Khan, well now he's got the blimp business out of the way, he can hopefully knuckle down on preventing knife killings and moped theft in the capital.
Out of interest, is Khan responsible for the knife crime in the midlands, Lancashire and all over the U.K.?
I'll let you dig out the stats but surely it is worse in that London (per capita).

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Re: Trump

Post by Zimmerman » 14 Jul 2018, 08:06

But it’s up everywhere (% wise).

So it’s a societal thing.... not isolated to London or Sadiqs tenure.

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Post by Maldini » 14 Jul 2018, 09:52

But the mayor of London is Muslim so gets judged accordingly.

Police funding cut nationwide.

Crime rate up nationwide.

I wonder if there’s some kind of correlation?

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Re: Trump

Post by bluenosey » 14 Jul 2018, 10:17

I'm sure Khan has had his fair share of racist insults and we know what Trump thinks but you shouldn't be able to use a religion to shield from perceived incompetency and a lot of Londoners are unhappy with Mr Khan.

Compare and contrast that to Sajid Javid, who was called a "Coconut" and "Uncle Tom" by supposed Labour supporters when he was appointed home secretary.

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Re: Trump

Post by Tacalabala » 14 Jul 2018, 10:29

Well the Tories have an internal issue with Muslim representation, does that mean all Conservatives are Islamophobes? No it doesn't.

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Re: Trump

Post by bluenosey » 14 Jul 2018, 10:42

Tacalabala wrote:
14 Jul 2018, 10:29
Well the Tories have an internal issue with Muslim representation, does that mean all Conservatives are Islamophobes? No it doesn't.
Well you could say the same thing about Labour and Jews ?

And when Javid referred to the hard left as neo-fascist they threatened to sue him ? And did Corbyn denounce the racist abuse that Javid received ?

People twist and spin things to follow their own political ideologies.

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Re: Trump

Post by blahblah » 14 Jul 2018, 10:49

murf wrote:
14 Jul 2018, 08:04
Zimmerman wrote:
bluenosey wrote:
13 Jul 2018, 20:46
....and what Trump tends to say, he tends to say the opposite tomorrow :wink:

It's a bit like the old Spitting Image Reagan sketch.

As for Sadiq Khan, well now he's got the blimp business out of the way, he can hopefully knuckle down on preventing knife killings and moped theft in the capital.
Out of interest, is Khan responsible for the knife crime in the midlands, Lancashire and all over the U.K.?
I'll let you dig out the stats but surely it is worse in that London (per capita).
As with most capital cities? (Bigger countries China, US etc may have others as well which may be higher)

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Re: Trump

Post by bluenosey » 14 Jul 2018, 10:53

I thought London exceeded New York for murders the other month ?

NY did the three strikes and you are out rule ? Seemed to work very well.

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Re: Trump

Post by Zimmerman » 14 Jul 2018, 10:56

No London didn’t, it was sensationalist news.
And no, their 3 strikes rule didn’t work either.

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