Goalkeeper Pairings

softcoal · **Joined:** Wed Aug 12 2009 **Posts:** 255

Has anyone taken the time to compare the fixtures of the various low priced keepers? Which two pair up best? Also, what are the advantages and expectations for each? Which defenses will be best, or who will make the most saves? Tell me your keepers of choice and why.

Schwarzer
Foster
Robinson
Jaask
Hahnemann
others?

Thanks.

Murder1 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 18 2008 **Posts:** 1166

Looking at Schwarzer and Foster hoping Schwarz heads to Arsenal and Birmingham are as solid at the back as last season.

checkii · **Posted:** 28 Jul 2010, 16:07

I forgot to check this, but looking at it now, I like the pairing of Foster and Robinson I chose. Over the first dozen weeks it looks like there is only one to two unfavorable GWs, and quite a few where both have nice looking fixtures.

bionika · **Posted:** 28 Jul 2010, 16:43

I'm liking the look of Gomes/Foster.

Seems to work for the first six gameweeks, at least.

Libero · **Joined:** Mon Jan 04 2010 **Posts:** 109

I've highlighted the obvious picks for the first 10 GWs of the Jaaskelainen/Foster combo. GW7 is a toss-up, IMO.

Jaask: (1)FUL, (2)whm, (3)BIR, (4)ars, (5)ast, (6)MNU, (7)wba, (8)STK, (9)wig, (10) LIV

Foster: (1)sun, (2)BLA, (3)bol, (4)LIV , (5)wba, (6)WIG, (7)EVE, (8)ars, (9)BPL, (10)ast

Just how tricky is Liverpool at home? If you think the Reds will struggle to travel well (and Hodgson is nortorious for that failing), you could do a lot worse than go with Jaask+Foster. Friedel's first ten fixtures also mix nicely with Foster. Foster's fixtures toughen in GWs 11-20.

Of course, the main factor to consider is the likely defensive prowess of Bolton and Birmingham, and whether you can take a defender from that club for a similar price and get even greater bonus and attacking points.
That's what has me going at the moment for a Villa defender and Bolton keeper.

nemo · **Posted:** 28 Jul 2010, 20:22

Libero wrote:

I've highlighted the obvious picks for the first 10 GWs of the Jaaskelainen/Foster combo. GW7 is a toss-up, IMO.

Jaask: (1)FUL, (2)whm, (3)BIR, (4)ars, (5)ast, (6)MNU, (7)wba, (8)STK, (9)wig, (10) LIV

Foster: (1)sun, (2)BLA, (3)bol, (4)LIV , (5)wba, (6)WIG, (7)EVE, (8)ars, (9)BPL, (10)ast

Just how tricky is Liverpool at home? If you think the Reds will struggle to travel well (and Hodgson is nortorious for that failing)

Sorry mate, but I don't see any logic in assuming that FU's poor away record last season will in any way be reflected in how LI perform away from home. If you could show some stats to support the idea that any team that Roy Hodgson manages statistically perform badly away from home, then I might be interested.

Beerfuelledman · **Posted:** 28 Jul 2010, 22:07

I found this on t'internet which may help you.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key ... n_GB#gid=0

Its based on which 4.5m defenders work, so should be of some assistance.

Libero · **Joined:** Mon Jan 04 2010 **Posts:** 109

nemo wrote:

Libero wrote:

I've highlighted the obvious picks for the first 10 GWs of the Jaaskelainen/Foster combo. GW7 is a toss-up, IMO.

Jaask: (1)FUL, (2)whm, (3)BIR, (4)ars, (5)ast, (6)MNU, (7)wba, (8)STK, (9)wig, (10) LIV

Foster: (1)sun, (2)BLA, (3)bol, (4)LIV , (5)wba, (6)WIG, (7)EVE, (8)ars, (9)BPL, (10)ast

Just how tricky is Liverpool at home? If you think the Reds will struggle to travel well (and Hodgson is nortorious for that failing)

Sorry mate, but I don't see any logic in assuming that FU's poor away record last season will in any way be reflected in how LI perform away from home. If you could show some stats to support the idea that any team that Roy Hodgson manages statistically perform badly away from home, then I might be interested.

That's a fair cop. I don't have the data to prove that Hodgson is consistently muck when it comes to setting his sides up for away games, whether they're club or national sides.

I may well be guilty of adding one and one and getting three, where one of the ones is Liverpool's disappointing away record carrying over from last season, and the other one is associating Hodgson with Fulham's away form, which has long been a poor relation of their performances at home.

I've been intrigued by what I've read of Hodgson's tactical coaching, which seems to have a heavy focus on drilling players into good positional awareness, and doing so on the pitch rather than the whiteboard. It's not hard to imagine how that tactical coaching bears fruit more quickly in home games, but is more of a challenge away from home where confidence levels are never as high, and the opposition are more likely to pull even a well-trained team out of position. Just my two cents.
However, Liverpool have a bright future if Hodgson can bring more tactical awareaness and discipline, and combine this with a general confidence that allows playmakers do their thing. If Hodgson succeeds with that, Liverpool will be the closest thing the English game has to the German side that lit up the last World Cup. All hail Joe Coezil!

RidleyMTB · **Joined:** Sat Nov 04 2006 **Posts:** 973

If Schwarzer gets his move then I am looking at Stockdale with Robinson or Jaaskeleinen

GuyH · **Joined:** Mon Aug 17 2009 **Posts:** 678

RidleyMTB wrote:

If Schwarzer gets his move then I am looking at Stockdale with Robinson or Jaaskeleinen

good thinking batman!

Lovely_Camel · **Joined:** Sun Oct 08 2006 **Posts:** 1332

RidleyMTB wrote:

If Schwarzer gets his move then I am looking at Stockdale with Robinson or Jaaskeleinen

I think they'll get a proper replacement if they sold him.

Fuzzy · **Posted:** 30 Jul 2010, 13:55

Not buying into the spurious arguments about Liverpool away from home.

However, can say that I landed on Jaaskelainen and Foster as well. Can't swallow spending more than 9m for a pair of fisters, and expecting a better defensive showing from Bolton this season.

Dufresne · **Joined:** Sun Jul 18 2010 **Posts:** 254

Does anyone have any idea how successful swapping keepers was last season (Sorensen and Hart I assume) compared to selecting Reina as a season long pick?

Thanks.

SamD · **Posted:** 30 Jul 2010, 16:04

One strategy might be to pick keepers within a fixture pairing. This means that when one is at home the other is away.

So during each round of the season you can usually rely on one of your keepers being at home and thus more likely to keep a clean sheet.

Club pairings for 2010-11 fixtures:

Liverpool - Everton
Man United - Man City
Aston Villa - Birmingham
Arsenal - Spurs
Chelsea - Fulham
Newcastle - Sunderland
West Brom - Wolves
Bolton - Wigan
Blackpool - Stoke City
Blackburn - West Ham

Same plan could also apply when selecting a pair of low-priced defenders.

BLOUFO · **Posted:** 30 Jul 2010, 16:44

I copied and pasted this info a few weeks ago for future reference.
I'll add the link as soon as I find it.
Thumbs up to this person who took the time out to put this piece together.

Quote:

Rotation Rating Explained:

When rotating players it is important that when they have a tricky fixture a certain week there is a backup player to come in who has a much more favourable match that could bring in a decent points haul, this much is obvious, but putting it into a comparable numerical figure is slightly more difficult.

The basis of the Rotation Rating was to give each fixture a Fixture Rating from 1 to 5 (1 – Very Easy, 2 – Easy, 3 – 50/50, 4 – Hard, 5 – Very Hard), using this it would be possible to pinpoint which two teams fixtures alternate best with one another to find the best budget keeper combo for the 2010/11 season.

To start with I cut to one side all the difficult fixtures of rating 4 or 5 (ie. matches that you would want to rotate your player) for a certain team, lets say Team A, for the whole season and placed them alongside all the other teams in the league to check how they well matched against them for those specific gameweek’s. If they correlated well, then these would be mostly easy fixtures (ie rated 1 or 2), if they didn’t then they would more 4 or 5 rated fixtures. Using this principle I took an average of each teams Fixture Ratings during the gameweek’s in which Team A have difficult fixtures to see which have the easiest run of games. The teams that came out with the lowest values are that of which have the most consistent run of favourable fixtures throughout the season and therefore best candidates to rotate your player from Team A with.

A rough figure that came out being a good ‘fixture rating’ value was around 2.5 , meaning somewhere in between Easy and a 50/50 was the average value of the other team whilst Team A was having a hard or very game that gameweek and therefore an obvious option to rotate.

Budget Keepers Combo’s: The Candidates
Below is a list of goalkeeping combinations that have been found to rotate well together and are 9.5m or below in value:

Foster & Hahnemann (£9m/2.65)
After falling out of favour with SAF last season, former England number 1 Ben Foster has moved to a Birmingham side that will be looking to build on their 9th place finish in their first season back in the Premier League. Playing alongside the experience Marcus Hahnemann of Wolves, the two goalkeepers have a decent Rotation Rating of 2.65. Although there are better Rotation Ratings between other budget teams, the fact that both Birmingham and Wolves both alternate home and away fixtures for 34 of the 38 games in the season, the highest of any budget combo, they could well be the pick of the bunch.

Foster & Harper (£9m/2.66)
There isn’t much difference between having Hahnemann and Harper of Newcastle as a partner to Ben Foster. The Rotation Ratings are virtually the same and there is only a slight difference in the number of home and away games that alternate between the two, with Newcastle having 27 as opposed to Wolves’ 34. So I’ve listed them as an alternative, take your pick.

Green & Gilks (£9m/2.25)
The highest Rotation Rating of all the budget keeper combos, but the real question is are West Ham and Blackpool capable of keeping enough clean sheets to warrant investment? Looking at the fixtures both the teams never play a hard or very hard (ie. fixture rating of 4 or 5) at the same time in the same gameweek, not once. They also play alternate home and away 33 times out of the 38 fixtures. Nevertheless it would still take a brave man to back the defence of the favourites to finish rock bottom and Rob ‘Hand of Clod‘ Green.

Sorensen & Jaaskelainen (£9.5m/2.69)
If your feeling nostalgic then one half of the standout goalkeeping partnership of last season is available with a new pairing. With a decent rotation ratio of 2.69 and 30 alternating home and away fixtures, Sorensen and Jaaskelinen could be a decent pick. Tony Pulis’ men will hope to build on their 14 clean sheets of last season (5th highest in the league) and Bolton will look to build on their impressive defensive displays in the back end of last season after Owen Coyles appointment.

Schwarzer & Robinson (£9.5m/2.44)
If Schwarzer is to stay at Fulham this season then he could be paired up with Blackburn’s Paul Robinson. With a very healthy Rotation Rating of 2.44, these two proven Premiership goalkeepers could be a strong partnership for the season. A slight drawback however is that only 20 of their 38 fixtures alternate between home and away.

Schwarzer & Gordon (£9.5/2.59)
Another handy partnership could be between Schwarzer and Sunderland’s Craig Gordon, who will be looking to improve on last seasons disappointment where they spent large periods of the season around the lower half of the table and only 7 clean sheets to go with it. Although Fulham and Sunderland’s Rotation Rating of 2.59 is lower than the pairing with Blackburn, the home advantage of 30 out of 38 fixtures alternating between home and away could favour this selection.

Schwarzer & Jaaskelainen (£9.5/2.20)
But are Schwarzer and Fulham such a sound investment? With the club undergoing a transitional phase of a change in management and rumours linking players away, including the Australian keeper with a move to Arsenal. If that move did indeed go through then it would set up a dream pairing of Schwarzer and Jaaskelainen with a Rotation Ratio of 2.20, along with the fact of having a top 4 goalkeeper for a measly price of £5m. Although their alternating home/away fixtures only stands at 16. But its all theoretical for now anyway…

blahblah · **Posted:** 30 Jul 2010, 16:49

So why was I doing better by picking the hard game for my fister, especially at home?

Ironfist · **Posted:** 30 Jul 2010, 17:46

That pairing rating above is excellent and provides some wonderful insight but I'd like to add one more thing... the wildcard. Since we have 2 and also two international breaks coming up soon, it might be worthwhile consedring such pairings again soon, so not the whole season is important atm.

owens_2k · **Joined:** Fri Aug 14 2009 **Posts:** 764

For that reason and also the serpents offline fixture tool, im going for Foster and Hahnemann.

Special1 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 16 2010 **Posts:** 187

Not exactly pairings related but I don't think it needs another thread:

What does Myhill's transfer to West Brom mean?

Who will be favoured between him and carson?

gooberman · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2010, 08:02

im going for robinson and foster, their fixtures are opposite home and away for the first 10 gameweeks. can then always swap one of them out from week 11 onwards.

Charade · **Joined:** Thu Dec 10 2009 **Posts:** 751

gooberman wrote:

im going for robinson and foster, their fixtures are opposite home and away for the first 10 gameweeks. can then always swap one of them out from week 11 onwards.

Was thinking about this, but I think Wolves are probably better at keeping clean sheets than Blackburn, from the way McCarthy's been coaching. Also, I see Blackburn as sinking hard if they don't buy some good players this season.

That said,, I may be wrong and have hedged my bets slightly by getting Nelsen.

gooberman · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2010, 08:54

Charade wrote:

gooberman wrote:

im going for robinson and foster, their fixtures are opposite home and away for the first 10 gameweeks. can then always swap one of them out from week 11 onwards.

Was thinking about this, but I think Wolves are probably better at keeping clean sheets than Blackburn, from the way McCarthy's been coaching. Also, I see Blackburn as sinking hard if they don't buy some good players this season.

That said,, I may be wrong and have hedged my bets slightly by getting Nelsen.

robinson got 12 clean sheets last year to hahnemanns 7 and blackburn really seemed to get it together defensively in the last 3rd of the season. I just wouldnt be too trustworthy of wolves ability to keep clean sheets, however an interesting stat though is hahnemann averaged 4.1 PPG which is the highest for keepers at that price, not quite sure how he managed this with so few clean sheets and not that many saves either, only 8th highest last season for saves.

ishnid · **Joined:** Sat Jul 14 2007 **Posts:** 1240

gooberman wrote:

... an interesting stat though is hahnemann averaged 4.1 PPG which is the highest for keepers at that price, not quite sure how he managed this with so few clean sheets and not that many saves either, only 8th highest last season for saves.

He only played around 2/3 of the minutes most of the guys above him did. Hennessey started last season as Wolves' first choice 'keeper with Hahnemann breaking into the team later. So his scores are for about 2/3 of a season rather than a full one.

cincirollers · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2010, 17:52

Is Foster as good as Hart? I know we've all jumped on the Foster BW, but looking closer at the numbers, Birmingham's defense forced Hart to make a lot of saves. Can Foster make those same saves?

Dufresne · **Joined:** Sun Jul 18 2010 **Posts:** 254

I've questioned that myself.

Foster did make some decent saves when he was in for Van der Sar last season, and a number of the mistakes he made seemed to be from nerves. However, a few were unforgivable howlers. It just remains to be seen whether he'll be as nervy at Birmingham. I'm thinking he won't be, as the pressure will be less.

DrBunker · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2010, 18:09

Copied from this thread:

cincirollers wrote:

Given how useful they were last season in determing how to allocate defenders/keepers, here's the home-away pairings for the upcoming season:

Arsenal - Tottenham
Aston Villa - Birmingham
Blackburn - West Ham
Blackpool - Stoke
Bolton - Wigan
Chelsea - Fulham
Everton - Liverpool
Man City - Man Utd
Newcastle - Sunderland
West Brom - Wolves

In order to quickly determine these pairings, I created a grid (attached) that shows the number of home/away pairings for each team. I've highlighted the teams in yellow that have the fewest overlaps and in fusia those teams with the most overlaps. So for example, if you don't want to pair a Blackburn & West Ham keeper/defender, you might consider a Blackburn & Stoke City pairing as there will only be four weeks where they overlap. Conversely, a Blackburn & Blackpool pairing might be a bad idea as they are almost always home and away the same week.

Note: Clearly this was done on the quick and may be full of errors. Verify any pairings you intend to use.

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Ironfist · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2010, 18:10

cincirollers wrote:

Is Foster as good as Hart? I know we've all jumped on the Foster BW, but looking closer at the numbers, Birmingham's defense forced Hart to make a lot of saves. Can Foster make those same saves?

It's a good question.
There however so many keepers to chose from...

SamD · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2010, 18:42

Firstly, apologies to cincirollers; didn't know club pairings had been published in mid-June (don't play FPL here, but was curious about the query in thread title so posted info on Fri after some parallel research)...

Secondly, the original table re-published by Dr Bunker half an hour ago may need reviewing. The reason? Blackpool v Wigan game in Week One (14 Aug) has switched venues. Likewise, Wigan v Blackpool on 16 April.

eightballtom · **Posted:** 01 Aug 2010, 13:05

Not come across this - do you have a link?

owens_2k wrote:

For that reason and also the serpents offline fixture tool, im going for Foster and Hahnemann.

Dufresne · **Joined:** Sun Jul 18 2010 **Posts:** 254

DrBunker wrote:

Copied from this thread:

cincirollers wrote:

Seems to be wildly different to the link beer fuelled man posted here https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key ... n_GB#gid=0

Anyone know which is accurate?

cincirollers · **Posted:** 01 Aug 2010, 15:07

Dufresne wrote:

DrBunker wrote:

Copied from this thread:

cincirollers wrote:

Seems to be wildly different to the link beer fuelled man posted here https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key ... n_GB#gid=0

Anyone know which is accurate?

Yes, they are wildly different, but each one is wildly different by exactly the same amount, which conversely, means they are exactly the same. :mrgreen:

(actually, there may be a couple minor differences - I'll verify mine again at some point, but feel free to create your own)

Dufresne · **Joined:** Sun Jul 18 2010 **Posts:** 254

I'm such a tard.

cincirollers · **Posted:** 01 Aug 2010, 18:29

Dufresne wrote:

:lol:

I'm such a tard.

And a Ralphie fan maybe? 8-)

Super Hans · **Joined:** Fri Jul 10 2009 **Posts:** 1511

Anyone looked at Wolves and West Brom as a potential pairing?

Their fixtures seem to pair up well, Wolves are quite defensive while West Brom could have plenty of opportunities for save points.

Dufresne · **Joined:** Sun Jul 18 2010 **Posts:** 254

Yes, but tempted to just go with Hahnemann all season long and forget about juggling.

Hahnemann + Hennessy last year was 139pts, and that's more than good enough for an 8.5m outlay if he can repeat that.

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