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Re: Trump

Post by Tacalabala » 27 Jul 2018, 20:17

Does it matter? The salient point is surely that he is unfit for the office of POTUS.

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Re: Trumpd

Post by jimmy ching » 28 Jul 2018, 08:43

Billy Whiz wrote:
27 Jul 2018, 20:07
Of course Trump fails miserably when compared to best practice, but we all know that. I was disputing whether or not he is, to use Fancy Dan's word, evil. If Trump is evil, then what word do we use to describe murderous dictators who use militia to impose their authority, persecute religious minorities and imprison political opponents without trial?

It should be noted, some people suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome. This is a much more serious condition than a Corbyn cold. It forces people in to cognitive dissonance when they see Trump doing something that they would actually do, when reality comes over the horizon.
Any reasoned argument that is put forward to the sufferer will be dismissed with a range of insults which usually starts with Facist (This is the first clue for diagnosis).
What is worrying about this condition is the effect it has on Left Leaners. This group of people have an understanding of political dialogue and the meaning of words like Facist and Commie. Some of them are quite shocked at being compartmentalised in to boxes they have never been any where near. This is the point where they see Group Thinkitus starting to get out of control.

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Re: Trump

Post by Tacalabala » 28 Jul 2018, 09:06

I don't think it's fair to be honest, it's very close to writing off negative opinion.

Why did Trump win? A large part of it is that he identified the concerns of white voters, and particularly those in areas of prolonged economic deprivation. The Democrats, and Obama for that matter, were unable to grasp this and lost as a result. If they did and did so convincingly, they would have wiped the floor with Trump.

Trump economics won't work out for most people though, so he will fail in the long run.

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Re: Trumpd

Post by blahblah » 28 Jul 2018, 09:11

jimmy ching wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 08:43
Billy Whiz wrote:
27 Jul 2018, 20:07
Of course Trump fails miserably when compared to best practice, but we all know that. I was disputing whether or not he is, to use Fancy Dan's word, evil. If Trump is evil, then what word do we use to describe murderous dictators who use militia to impose their authority, persecute religious minorities and imprison political opponents without trial?

It should be noted, some people suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome. This is a much more serious condition than a Corbyn cold. It forces people in to cognitive dissonance when they see Trump doing something that they would actually do, when reality comes over the horizon.
Any reasoned argument that is put forward to the sufferer will be dismissed with a range of insults which usually starts with Facist (This is the first clue for diagnosis).
What is worrying about this condition is the effect it has on Left Leaners. This group of people have an understanding of political dialogue and the meaning of words like Facist and Commie. Some of them are quite shocked at being compartmentalised in to boxes they have never been any where near. This is the point where they see Group Thinkitus starting to get out of control.
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Re: Trump

Post by blahblah » 28 Jul 2018, 09:16

Tacalabala wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 09:06
Why did Trump win?
Billary could well have lost to anyone: Bernie had a much better chance as he had that same Anti-Establishment appeal.

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Re: Trump

Post by forestfan » 28 Jul 2018, 09:27

blahblah wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 09:16
Tacalabala wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 09:06
Why did Trump win?
Billary could well have lost to anyone: Bernie had a much better chance as he had that same Anti-Establishment appeal.
Yeah, and I don’t think an “establishment” Democrat will topple Trump in 2020 either. They need a left-field, even if not necessarily left-wing, candidate...

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Re: Trump

Post by blahblah » 28 Jul 2018, 09:31

forestfan wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 09:27
blahblah wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 09:16
Tacalabala wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 09:06
Why did Trump win?
Billary could well have lost to anyone: Bernie had a much better chance as he had that same Anti-Establishment appeal.
Yeah, and I don’t think an “establishment” Democrat will topple Trump in 2020 either. They need a left-field, even if not necessarily left-wing, candidate...
Oprah has denied interest a few times.

My issue with the Trump bashing is the almost deification of Hillary, which is incredulous. I would have had to vote for a third Candidate or spoil my paper if I were American......

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Re: Trump

Post by jimmy ching » 28 Jul 2018, 09:49

forestfan wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 09:27
blahblah wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 09:16
Tacalabala wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 09:06
Why did Trump win?
Billary could well have lost to anyone: Bernie had a much better chance as he had that same Anti-Establishment appeal.
Yeah, and I don’t think an “establishment” Democrat will topple Trump in 2020 either. They need a left-field, even if not necessarily left-wing, candidate...
It was noted, John Hickenlooper dropped his planned schedule, as he was invited to the Bilderberg meeting this year, at short notice.
He's the Democrat Governor of Colorado.

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Re: Trump

Post by Tacalabala » 28 Jul 2018, 10:00

Elisabeth Warren is a far better Dem candidate than Sanders - from the South, progressive, humble upbringing. She has such a great story to tell, I'd be confident in saying she could wipeout Trump in 2020 if his lies are exposed by then.

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Re: Trump

Post by blahblah » 28 Jul 2018, 11:36

jimmy ching wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 09:49
forestfan wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 09:27
blahblah wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 09:16
Tacalabala wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 09:06
Why did Trump win?
Billary could well have lost to anyone: Bernie had a much better chance as he had that same Anti-Establishment appeal.
Yeah, and I don’t think an “establishment” Democrat will topple Trump in 2020 either. They need a left-field, even if not necessarily left-wing, candidate...
It was noted, John Hickenlooper dropped his planned schedule, as he was invited to the Bilderberg meeting this year, at short notice.
He's the Democrat Governor of Colorado.
That would have been a good thing, but is it nowadays? I assume they struggle with "the Don"..

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Re: Trump

Post by blahblah » 28 Jul 2018, 11:45

Tacalabala wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 10:00
Elisabeth Warren is a far better Dem candidate than Sanders - from the South, progressive, humble upbringing. She has such a great story to tell, I'd be confident in saying she could wipeout Trump in 2020 if his lies are exposed by then.
I can't say I follow US Politics too closely, nor here due to the predictable Brexit, but she sounds plausible if she is not identified with the Establishment and doesn't use their vocabulary.

(Brexit, Corbyn, Trump and Sanders all happened for the same reason, imho, and I don't see it changing for a little while.)

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Re: Trump

Post by jimmy ching » 28 Jul 2018, 12:19

Tacalabala wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 10:00
Elisabeth Warren is a far better Dem candidate than Sanders - from the South, progressive, humble upbringing. She has such a great story to tell, I'd be confident in saying she could wipeout Trump in 2020 if his lies are exposed by then.
Hasn't she been burnt by trying to use genetic and cultural identity?

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Re: Trump

Post by Tacalabala » 28 Jul 2018, 12:26

jimmy ching wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 12:19
Tacalabala wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 10:00
Elisabeth Warren is a far better Dem candidate than Sanders - from the South, progressive, humble upbringing. She has such a great story to tell, I'd be confident in saying she could wipeout Trump in 2020 if his lies are exposed by then.
Hasn't she been burnt by trying to use genetic and cultural identity?
Like Obama was burnt for having a Kenyan dad and the horseshit Trump stirred up with that, it's irrelevant.

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Re: Trump

Post by jimmy ching » 28 Jul 2018, 13:02

Anyway, those suffering from TDS and living in the States, should consider themselves lucky. Those across the Northern border are experiencing outbreaks of Trudeau Trauma. They start by desperately groping for any excuse, metoo included. The chasm is opening abruptly.

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Re: Trump

Post by Tacalabala » 28 Jul 2018, 13:27

I'm failing to see the point you're trying to make.

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Re: Trump

Post by jimmy ching » 28 Jul 2018, 14:23

Tacalabala wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 13:27
I'm failing to see the point you're trying to make.
People like Hillary and Trudeau are letting the left down.

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Re: Trump

Post by jimmy ching » 28 Jul 2018, 14:28

Have they ever lived the left?

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Re: Trump

Post by jimmy ching » 28 Jul 2018, 14:31

No beating around the Bushes, politics is not a meritocracy.

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Re: Trump

Post by forestfan » 28 Jul 2018, 14:43

jimmy ching wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 14:28
Have they ever lived the left?
Do you have to have done to believe in it? I know, American left is our right and American right is our far-right...

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Re: Trump

Post by jimmy ching » 28 Jul 2018, 14:49

forestfan wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 14:43
jimmy ching wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 14:28
Have they ever lived the left?
Do you have to have done to believe in it? I know, American left is our right and American right is our far-right...
No doubt, many Americans have. But Trudeau and Rodders, I doubt it.

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Re: Trump

Post by RomynPG » 28 Jul 2018, 15:14

forestfan wrote:
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... American left is our right and American right is our far-right...

...and bailing out US farmers is pretty much Socialism.

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Re: Trump

Post by jimmy ching » 28 Jul 2018, 15:20

RomynPG wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 15:14
forestfan wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 14:43
... American left is our right and American right is our far-right...

...and bailing out US farmers is pretty much Socialism.


socialism.jpg


Confused ... you won't be after this episode of Soap

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but as they say in France.
'Mitterrand was working for the Vichy Government whilst De Gaulle was dancing with the Americans in London.'

This is flipping politics.

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Re: Trump

Post by forestfan » 28 Jul 2018, 16:46

American sport is rather left wing as well, with salary caps and drafts etc. to level the playing field... to establish a dynasty you need a freak of nature like Tom Brady, as opposed to a sheikh's billions.

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Re: Trump

Post by blahblah » 28 Jul 2018, 16:56

forestfan wrote:
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American sport is rather left wing as well, with salary caps and drafts etc. to level the playing field... to establish a dynasty you need a freak of nature like Tom Brady, as opposed to a sheikh's billions.
Yep, the whole Left in US thing is very different to here. I don't totally understand how their team sports work, beyond the Franchise thing and Drafts, but it potentially is borderline Socialism, but doesn't really work re Basketball was another dead season?

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Re: Trump

Post by forestfan » 28 Jul 2018, 18:01

blahblah wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 16:56
forestfan wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 16:46
American sport is rather left wing as well, with salary caps and drafts etc. to level the playing field... to establish a dynasty you need a freak of nature like Tom Brady, as opposed to a sheikh's billions.
Yep, the whole Left in US thing is very different to here. I don't totally understand how their team sports work, beyond the Franchise thing and Drafts, but it potentially is borderline Socialism, but doesn't really work re Basketball was another dead season?
I don’t really follow basketball, but success seems to be driven more by individual stars than the other sports, given you don’t have that many in the game at once. Whereas NFL has rosters of 50+ players, you can’t invest in one area of the team without making sacrifices in another, and only the quarterback has anything like the level of influence to potentially carry a poor team. There’s Hall of Fame players in other positions who spend their whole careers on crap teams and never see play-off action, and they very rarely demand moves for that reason.

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Re: Trump

Post by Mriya225 » 28 Aug 2018, 12:43

Little known fun fact about Trump's presidency : at first, I didn't give any credency to the stories of "Russian meddling" since Hillary Clinton was terrible enough to lose to Trump (although the latter ended up doing every bad thing the former would have done), but in early 2017, a few months after good ol'Donald assumed power, a reform was taken which made the USA an extremely interesting place for Russians to invest and buy real estate : https://tranio.com/articles/will-the-un ... ntre_5404/

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Re: Trump

Post by Tacalabala » 06 Sep 2018, 07:28

These latest stories confirm our worst fears, though I did enjoy the mock trial one :lol:

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Re: Trump

Post by Stemania » 06 Sep 2018, 21:06

Genuinely, does anything think Pence would be much better btw?

Less scattergun and less* dishonest perhaps, but completely homophobic.

*low bar

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Re: Trump

Post by forestfan » 06 Sep 2018, 22:14

Stemania wrote:
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Genuinely, does anything think Pence would be much better btw?

Less scattergun and less* dishonest perhaps, but completely homophobic.

*low bar
Yeah, would be bad in a different way... less chance of starting World War 3 on a whim, but more chance of getting policies of hate and discrimination into force.

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Re: Trump

Post by Striker » 07 Sep 2018, 15:31

The most interesting thing about the latest revelations is that whereas this sort of thing is written by political opponents hoping for the opposition party to gain, on this occasion the motive of the writer is apparently to get people to vote Republican on the grounds that a sensible bunch of Republicans are keeping the crazy leader under control, so voters have nothing to fear from helping to maintain the Republicans in power.

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