NHS (personal experience rather than bigger picture)
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So - step lad breaks his hand / bone in hand yesterday.
Has a splint put in and told to come back today
Comes in and they say they'll pin it (and maybe plate it) a week on Thursday!
Don't rush
Mrs Tree and step lad have to wait around to be escorted from fracture clinic to treatment centre as not allowed to carry own records!
Then when at treatment centre told they can't pick precription from them as it was a Queens prescription. Both had pharmacy's...nothing like red tape to make the NHS look efficient.
Good old customer care...always fail to impress me
Has a splint put in and told to come back today
Comes in and they say they'll pin it (and maybe plate it) a week on Thursday!
Don't rush
Mrs Tree and step lad have to wait around to be escorted from fracture clinic to treatment centre as not allowed to carry own records!
Then when at treatment centre told they can't pick precription from them as it was a Queens prescription. Both had pharmacy's...nothing like red tape to make the NHS look efficient.
Good old customer care...always fail to impress me
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By all means criticise the place you went and the reasons why but while it's all part of the NHS it always annoys me when people put it all into one pot
I won't defend shit service and long waits - sounds like you had a bad experience - but don't just rail at "The NHS" - that I will defend
(although I should remind you that the party you voted for are stripping it bare and privatising as much of it as they can get away with)
How about heart attacks have halved in the UK in the past decade? 80,000 lives saved
That's a decent NHS story isn't it?
I won't defend shit service and long waits - sounds like you had a bad experience - but don't just rail at "The NHS" - that I will defend
(although I should remind you that the party you voted for are stripping it bare and privatising as much of it as they can get away with)
How about heart attacks have halved in the UK in the past decade? 80,000 lives saved
That's a decent NHS story isn't it?
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Plenty of good NHS stories as I've said before. Just all my "personal" experiences tend to be a nightmare of bureaucracy and plenty of staff in all the wrong places.
As I said, it's a personal view and I know many have vastly different experiences so I will edit the title
As I said, it's a personal view and I know many have vastly different experiences so I will edit the title
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Having lived in NY for a year where I was paying through the nose for insurance and still had ridiculous medical bills after various hospital appointments we had to have while we were out there (where they give you advice on what kind of treatment/medication you should have based on what makes them the most money rather than what is best for you) I think the NHS, and particularly the doctors/nurses I have encountered are a bit of a godsend.
Always expect to have to wait long due to being so understaffed and underfunded but based on my own personal experience I have to stick up for them.
Having said that TT, it sounds like a real pain in the ar$e for you at the moment. Hope the Stepson isn't in too bad a shape
Always expect to have to wait long due to being so understaffed and underfunded but based on my own personal experience I have to stick up for them.
Having said that TT, it sounds like a real pain in the ar$e for you at the moment. Hope the Stepson isn't in too bad a shape
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We have a 2 tier service, BUPA is excellent, I'm lucky that at work I get private healthcare which also covers my entire family.
I well remember shoddy service at the NHS way back in the past.
If you can afford it, I would always reccomend getting private healthcare with BUPA, the difference you get is enormous.
I well remember shoddy service at the NHS way back in the past.
If you can afford it, I would always reccomend getting private healthcare with BUPA, the difference you get is enormous.
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Thanks for changing the title Tricky
The majority of fractures are not put into casts any more - a decade ago a broken scafoid (is that the bone broken? It's the most common hand/wrist break) would be put into plaster of Paris
But the evidence base for this shows that a splint is just as good to heal small bones
If it needs pinning then that will be done - but the with all respect to the fact that everyone thinks theirs is an emergency - it relatively is not - definition being that immediate action isn't necessary, ie a day or twos wait won't make it any worse in terms of outcome or pain
Does he have anti-inflamatories and paracetamol?
The pharmacy red tape is ridiculous and sounds suspect to me - complain to your PCT or as of April CCG - it's that "no top down reorganisation of the NHS" that the Tories promised - i suggest you complain in March - or you may struggle to get anyone to answer the phone!
There are more redundancies at the end end of the financial year as the Tories look to save more and more NHS money which they also promised not to do
The majority of fractures are not put into casts any more - a decade ago a broken scafoid (is that the bone broken? It's the most common hand/wrist break) would be put into plaster of Paris
But the evidence base for this shows that a splint is just as good to heal small bones
If it needs pinning then that will be done - but the with all respect to the fact that everyone thinks theirs is an emergency - it relatively is not - definition being that immediate action isn't necessary, ie a day or twos wait won't make it any worse in terms of outcome or pain
Does he have anti-inflamatories and paracetamol?
The pharmacy red tape is ridiculous and sounds suspect to me - complain to your PCT or as of April CCG - it's that "no top down reorganisation of the NHS" that the Tories promised - i suggest you complain in March - or you may struggle to get anyone to answer the phone!
There are more redundancies at the end end of the financial year as the Tories look to save more and more NHS money which they also promised not to do
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Groomyd wrote:Thanks for changing the title Tricky
The majority of fractures are not put into casts any more - a decade ago a broken scafoid (is that the bone broken? It's the most common hand/wrist break) would be put into plaster of Paris
But the evidence base for this shows that a splint is just as good to heal small bones
If it needs pinning then that will be done - but the with all respect to the fact that everyone thinks theirs is an emergency - it relatively is not - definition being that immediate action isn't necessary, ie a day or twos wait won't make it any worse in terms of outcome or pain
Does he have anti-inflamatories and paracetamol?
The pharmacy red tape is ridiculous and sounds suspect to me - complain to your PCT or as of April CCG - it's that "no top down reorganisation of the NHS" that the Tories promised - i suggest you complain in March - or you may struggle to get anyone to answer the phone!
There are more redundancies at the end end of the financial year as the Tories look to save more and more NHS money which they also promised not to do
I do wonder how many Tories visit the NHS, majority of Tory MP's are fairly rich so will use BUPA.
The perils of the class system in full view.
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Oh you are alive. Missed u in he arsenal threadsGroomyd wrote:By all means criticise the place you went and the reasons why but while it's all part of the NHS it always annoys me when people put it all into one pot
I won't defend shit service and long waits - sounds like you had a bad experience - but don't just rail at "The NHS" - that I will defend
(although I should remind you that the party you voted for are stripping it bare and privatising as much of it as they can get away with)
How about heart attacks have halved in the UK in the past decade? 80,000 lives saved
That's a decent NHS story isn't it?
I blame the grillions of immigrants u know the ones that ain't even
Been in blighty months ,that we can blame labour with. I think u know
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That's funny Dot becaue the real issue we have is obese people who drink too much
Know anyone like that?
Know anyone like that?
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Cheers Groomy. I would reiterate I think the NHS are great as a whole compared to what others suffer and our issues are indeed minor. It is just frustrating. Waiting does not bother me at all either (or the Mrs...maybe the lad but he's a 19 year old so has a 19 year old attitude/lack of oatience/self importance )
The splint itself (whatever they put on day 1) doesn't even cover the break. Break is between little finger and wrist. Very wide apparently as they thought from the damage it must have been done before. The width I understand the reason for pinning and probable plate.
I just assumed it would be done ASAP as seems very dangerous not protected for 11 days?
The issue is is the NHS budget spent on "correct" staffing, I always feel it seems not as I've said before (just from viewing the staff you see)
and the bureaucracy that surrounded the whole event.
As for immigrants, are not a good chunk of our doctors people who were maybe immigrants in the past Dot? Without their brains and hard work, what would we have....
The splint itself (whatever they put on day 1) doesn't even cover the break. Break is between little finger and wrist. Very wide apparently as they thought from the damage it must have been done before. The width I understand the reason for pinning and probable plate.
I just assumed it would be done ASAP as seems very dangerous not protected for 11 days?
The issue is is the NHS budget spent on "correct" staffing, I always feel it seems not as I've said before (just from viewing the staff you see)
and the bureaucracy that surrounded the whole event.
As for immigrants, are not a good chunk of our doctors people who were maybe immigrants in the past Dot? Without their brains and hard work, what would we have....
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There will be no outcome issues from your wait - it will heal just as well - that I can guarantee
Obesity and alcohol are what makes the NHS expensive - obesity causes diabetes amongst other issues - we need to stop Mums shopping at Iceland, close the fried chicken outlets and find a way to make basic health part of good citizenship
Over 75s use a HUGE amount of the NHS budget - frail elderly patients in the final years of their lives
Immigrants? We all know the sort of stuff Dot peddles on that subject
Obesity and alcohol are what makes the NHS expensive - obesity causes diabetes amongst other issues - we need to stop Mums shopping at Iceland, close the fried chicken outlets and find a way to make basic health part of good citizenship
Over 75s use a HUGE amount of the NHS budget - frail elderly patients in the final years of their lives
Immigrants? We all know the sort of stuff Dot peddles on that subject
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I mean the danger of it in essence being uprotected bar some bandage?Groomyd wrote:There will be no outcome issues from your wait - it will heal just as well - that I can guarantee
Agree on obesity and the ageing population...both massive issues in today's society
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The lengths some competitive dads will go to beat their son at darts
(Hope he heals quickly and there's no permanent damage)
(Hope he heals quickly and there's no permanent damage)
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You seem to know everything you tell me sunshineGroomyd wrote:That's funny Dot becaue the real issue we have is obese people who drink too much
Know anyone like that?
Oh btw if that was a snide dig at me
I,ll have u know I just had a month off the beer
It's called will power, I do it all the time
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Unprotected from what? Obvioulsy he needs to protect it between now and his operation and then probably at least 6-8 weeks after thatTricky Tree wrote:
I mean the danger of it in essence being uprotected bar some bandage?
I doubt it will be put into anything more than one of the splints you can buy for a sprained wrist after the op - thats all that's required
So before or after the op it's "unprotected"
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Groomy + Dot. calm down lads and be friends.
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It's th eyounger lad who plays darts.WilBert wrote:The lengths some competitive dads will go to beat their son at darts
(Hope he heals quickly and there's no permanent damage)
It will stop him using the PS3 which makes younger Tree very happy
Ok groomy, just assumed there would be a protective cast to preventing knocking etc. (no expert of course, just what I expected)
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Yeah this country is groaning at the seams with the influx of legal & illegalGroomyd wrote:There will be no outcome issues from your wait - it will heal just as well - that I can guarantee
Obesity and alcohol are what makes the NHS expensive - obesity causes diabetes amongst other issues - we need to stop Mums shopping at Iceland, close the fried chicken outlets and find a way to make basic health part of good citizenship
Over 75s use a HUGE amount of the NHS budget - frail elderly patients in the final years of their lives
Immigrants? We all know the sort of stuff Dot peddles on that subject
Immigrants now taking advantage of my N I contributions. Can't even get a doctor
Appointment nowdays on the day, it's as bad as unless ur dying phone on Monday a.m
Get an appointment Thursday evening at best. Too many eff immigrants.
Labour opened the floodgates, the Tories ain't closed it, Nhs is a eff joke nowdays
Just like how I revealed recently my niece works 4 days out of 5, 13 hour days
At kings college hospital as a midwife & taking into account travel from Essex
Make that a 15-16 hour day, NHS-eff joke
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There may be, I'm not a clinician, but usually there is no cast these days - nothing to do with saving money or anything of the sort - just no evidence it helps small bones to healTricky Tree wrote:
Ok groomy, just assumed there would be a protective cast to preventing knocking etc. (no expert of course, just what I expected)
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Are You Dr Ruth ?Groomyd wrote:There may be, I'm not a clinician, but usually there is no cast these days - nothing to do with saving money or anything of the sort - just no evidence it helps small bones to healTricky Tree wrote:
Ok groomy, just assumed there would be a protective cast to preventing knocking etc. (no expert of course, just what I expected)
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I thought the real issue with the NHS was too many pen pushers.Groomyd wrote:That's funny Dot becaue the real issue we have is obese people who drink too much
Know anyone like that?
Know anyone like that?
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Raise it above the tabloid Murfmurf wrote:I thought the real issue with the NHS was too many pen pushers.Groomyd wrote:That's funny Dot becaue the real issue we have is obese people who drink too much
Know anyone like that?
Know anyone like that?
If we dont get healthier as a nation then it matters not what configuration of health service we have - we can't afford it - we are now far far more obese than ever before
Diabetes is a lifestyle disease - it kills slowly and prematurely
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The sad fact is Groomy, it's not lifestyle that puts pressure on the NHS, it's being healthy.Groomyd wrote:Raise it above the tabloid Murfmurf wrote:I thought the real issue with the NHS was too many pen pushers.Groomyd wrote:That's funny Dot becaue the real issue we have is obese people who drink too much
Know anyone like that?
Know anyone like that?
If we dont get healthier as a nation then it matters not what configuration of health service we have - we can't afford it - we are now far far more obese than ever before
Diabetes is a lifestyle disease - it kills slowly and prematurely
You alluded to it early on in this thread but also contradicted yourself.
Yes. Smokers, drinkers, the overweight etc will have more health problems than most, and they will die reasonably young. But whatever your lifestyle, You WILL get ill and die.
People who don't drink, smoke or eat donuts will as surely get cancer, heart disease, diabetes, rheumatism etc as the rest of us. But will spend 20 years or so longer bleeding the system dry.
The big problem facing the NHS, (and society as a whole), is our ageing population.
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No, by living longer, we'll just all get infirm or get dementia and so be put in care homes which dont come out of the NHS budget. Different bucket controlled by pushers of other pens.sted wrote:The sad fact is Groomy, it's not lifestyle that puts pressure on the NHS, it's being healthy.Groomyd wrote:Raise it above the tabloid Murfmurf wrote:I thought the real issue with the NHS was too many pen pushers.Groomyd wrote:That's funny Dot becaue the real issue we have is obese people who drink too much
Know anyone like that?
Know anyone like that?
If we dont get healthier as a nation then it matters not what configuration of health service we have - we can't afford it - we are now far far more obese than ever before
Diabetes is a lifestyle disease - it kills slowly and prematurely
You alluded to it early on in this thread but also contradicted yourself.
Yes. Smokers, drinkers, the overweight etc will have more health problems than most, and they will die reasonably young. But whatever your lifestyle, You WILL get ill and die.
People who don't drink, smoke or eat donuts will as surely get cancer, heart disease, diabetes, rheumatism etc as the rest of us. But will spend 20 years or so longer bleeding the system dry.
The big problem facing the NHS, (and society as a whole), is our ageing population.
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However bad things are with the NHS - and we have very similar problems in NZ (ageing population, rapidly-growing number of people with long-term medical conditions, etc ) - just take a look at the latest debate on what passes for a healthcare system in the USA...
http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/20/b ... cal-bills/
http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/20/b ... cal-bills/
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Exactly! I was paying $450 a month for health insurance (and my company was paying $1000) for my family (myself, my wife and my daughter). We ended up getting pregnant out there and for every time you so much as go into a doctor or hospital you have to pay $50 regardless of the fact we had insurance.AkNotSpur wrote:However bad things are with the NHS - and we have very similar problems in NZ (ageing population, rapidly-growing number of people with long-term medical conditions, etc ) - just take a look at the latest debate on what passes for a healthcare system in the USA...
http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/20/b ... cal-bills/
We got to the 20 week scan and there were complications meaning we had to go back for weekly scans (again at $50 a time) until at 24 weeks we unfortunately had to give birth to a stillborn baby. The privilege of that night in hospital were the $3000 costs that weren't covered by our insurance. Whenever they offer advice such as 'we can give you an epidural to ease the pain' what they don't mention is 'oh that is a non-essential medication so will cost you $1000'. Also, our paediatrician (sp) happened to be in the hospital that night and he also dropped into our room to help talk us through our options and we later find on our medical bill: 'Encounter with Doctor P - $300'. So if he had not been on duty we would not have seen him but as he was on duty and decided to come in to see us we also had to pay for that.
My colleagues at work said that as I was soon to be leaving the country that I shouldn't bother paying the bills and the government has billions in reserve to pay the unpaid medical bills but (unfortunately) I have morals so ended up paying them but if that is the case then here is an idea; why not use those billions to plough into a free healthcare system instead.
I left the country before the whole Obamacare thing had really come to the fore but I believe that he is trying to formulate a plan for an NHS type system with free healthcare for all which it seems that most Americans are against.
If that is the case then it seems crazy to me!
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That's part of the problem of course - but lifestyle is a huge issue - and it's the one we can controlsted wrote:
The sad fact is Groomy, it's not lifestyle that puts pressure on the NHS, it's being healthy.
You alluded to it early on in this thread but also contradicted yourself.
Yes. Smokers, drinkers, the overweight etc will have more health problems than most, and they will die reasonably young. But whatever your lifestyle, You WILL get ill and die.
People who don't drink, smoke or eat donuts will as surely get cancer, heart disease, diabetes, rheumatism etc as the rest of us. But will spend 20 years or so longer bleeding the system dry.
The big problem facing the NHS, (and society as a whole), is our ageing population.
We are now getting chronic conditions (diabetes, heart issues, hypertension, COPD, etc) a lot earlier in life - and when you get those younger you live a lot longer with them before you die (albeit prematurely compared to the rest of the population).
Many patients will have combinations of those conditions and will see their GP multiple times a year, be on a lots of different drugs, have relapses and go in and out of hospital ................ And that costs a fortune.
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Jagduracell wrote:Exactly! I was paying $450 a month for health insurance (and my company was paying $1000) for my family (myself, my wife and my daughter). We ended up getting pregnant out there and for every time you so much as go into a doctor or hospital you have to pay $50 regardless of the fact we had insurance.AkNotSpur wrote:However bad things are with the NHS - and we have very similar problems in NZ (ageing population, rapidly-growing number of people with long-term medical conditions, etc ) - just take a look at the latest debate on what passes for a healthcare system in the USA...
http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/20/b ... cal-bills/
We got to the 20 week scan and there were complications meaning we had to go back for weekly scans (again at $50 a time) until at 24 weeks we unfortunately had to give birth to a stillborn baby. The privilege of that night in hospital were the $3000 costs that weren't covered by our insurance. Whenever they offer advice such as 'we can give you an epidural to ease the pain' what they don't mention is 'oh that is a non-essential medication so will cost you $1000'. Also, our paediatrician (sp) happened to be in the hospital that night and he also dropped into our room to help talk us through our options and we later find on our medical bill: 'Encounter with Doctor P - $300'. So if he had not been on duty we would not have seen him but as he was on duty and decided to come in to see us we also had to pay for that.
My colleagues at work said that as I was soon to be leaving the country that I shouldn't bother paying the bills and the government has billions in reserve to pay the unpaid medical bills but (unfortunately) I have morals so ended up paying them but if that is the case then here is an idea; why not use those billions to plough into a free healthcare system instead.
I left the country before the whole Obamacare thing had really come to the fore but I believe that he is trying to formulate a plan for an NHS type system with free healthcare for all which it seems that most Americans are against.
If that is the case then it seems crazy to me!
Sorry to hear what happened Jag, must have been a difficult time all round.
The sort of stuff your outlining makes my blood boil, especially the $300 for the 'doctor encounter', dearie me, what a disgrace that is.
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I agree with both of you to an extent.Groomyd wrote:That's part of the problem of course - but lifestyle is a huge issue - and it's the one we can controlsted wrote:
The sad fact is Groomy, it's not lifestyle that puts pressure on the NHS, it's being healthy.
You alluded to it early on in this thread but also contradicted yourself.
Yes. Smokers, drinkers, the overweight etc will have more health problems than most, and they will die reasonably young. But whatever your lifestyle, You WILL get ill and die.
People who don't drink, smoke or eat donuts will as surely get cancer, heart disease, diabetes, rheumatism etc as the rest of us. But will spend 20 years or so longer bleeding the system dry.
The big problem facing the NHS, (and society as a whole), is our ageing population.
We are now getting chronic conditions (diabetes, heart issues, hypertension, COPD, etc) a lot earlier in life - and when you get those younger you live a lot longer with them before you die (albeit prematurely compared to the rest of the population).
Many patients will have combinations of those conditions and will see their GP multiple times a year, be on a lots of different drugs, have relapses and go in and out of hospital ................ And that costs a fortune.
In addition drugs are getting better, keeping people alive for longer etc...
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I agree with both of us too
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