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Bramernic wrote:Is that the first time that EVERY man of the match was on the winning team? (Obviously ignoring draws, which were non-existant this weekend)
Thats an interesting statistic if correct, considering MOTM has been with us for over 50 weeks of TFF in total. Maybe that proves how random it can be - alot of peoples posts in the past have suggested the MOTM should allways come from the winning team.

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Plastic Scouser wrote:
Bramernic wrote:Is that the first time that EVERY man of the match was on the winning team? (Obviously ignoring draws, which were non-existant this weekend)
Thats an interesting statistic if correct, considering MOTM has been with us for over 50 weeks of TFF in total. Maybe that proves how random it can be - alot of peoples posts in the past have suggested the MOTM should allways come from the winning team.
The matches were generally not that close which could explain it in part. The first 9 games were all victories to nil! Probably several years since there were 9 of them.

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Lennon MOTM? :? he did very well yes but I thought Keane was outstanding! Well done Mr Winter! :?

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no kc for rooney.

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All Sunday's KCs as predicted. Will check Saturday's shortly ...

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thespecialone wrote:no kc for rooney.
Indeed. :)

All Saturday's as predicted as well.

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well done, Bram!

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Bramernic wrote:
thespecialone wrote:no kc for rooney.
Indeed. :)

All Saturday's as predicted as well.
Well done Bram, I bow to you as the guru :)

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Bramernic wrote:
thespecialone wrote:no kc for rooney.
Indeed. :)

All Saturday's as predicted as well.
Well done for predicting no Rooney KC, it hurts me though! :(

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thespecialone wrote:no kc for rooney.
thats unbelievable! :shock:

Yes ok he did not touch the ball BUT he let it run across his body & this out foxed the defender, which in my eyes he WAS in control of the ball, therefore, this HAS to be a Key Contribution!

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spiderm4tt wrote:
thespecialone wrote:no kc for rooney.
thats unbelievable! :shock:

Yes ok he did not touch the ball BUT he let it run across his body & this out foxed the defender, which in my eyes he WAS in control of the ball, therefore, this HAS to be a Key Contribution!
he wasn't in possession (and he dived).

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I'm surprised at the Rooney decision as well. Can't see how anyone would say he wasn't in possession of the ball.

Still I suppose he was lucky not to be booked for diving when you think about it.

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snowy wrote:
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thespecialone wrote:no kc for rooney.
thats unbelievable! :shock:

Yes ok he did not touch the ball BUT he let it run across his body & this out foxed the defender, which in my eyes he WAS in control of the ball, therefore, this HAS to be a Key Contribution!
he wasn't in possession (and he dived).
Of course he was in possession! Geez :roll:

And maybe he did dive yes but this is not in question when it comes to KCs! The ref gave a pen, end of story.

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How can you say he was in possession!!???? :shock:

He hadnt even touched it! It clearly wasnt going to be a KC otherwise Bram would have suggested so :wink:

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The Jezster wrote:How can you say he was in possession!!???? :shock:
Because I understand football! and anyone who does understand can see that Rooney had control of the ball in his possession...its simple. King Kenny, Maradona, Pele were all masters of this skill & please dont tell they werent in possession either! :lol: (and no I dont have Rooney in my team & my avatar suggest Im far from a Manure fan!)

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spiderm4tt wrote:
The Jezster wrote:How can you say he was in possession!!???? :shock:
Because I understand football! and anyone who does understand can see that Rooney had control of the ball in his possession...its simple. King Kenny, Maradona, Pele were all masters of this skill & please dont tell they werent in possession either! :lol: (and no I dont have Rooney in my team & my avatar suggest Im far from a Man Utd fan!)
You clearly, however,dont understand the term in relation to Fantasy Football :wink:

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The Jezster wrote:
spiderm4tt wrote:
The Jezster wrote:How can you say he was in possession!!???? :shock:
Because I understand football! and anyone who does understand can see that Rooney had control of the ball in his possession...its simple. King Kenny, Maradona, Pele were all masters of this skill & please dont tell they werent in possession either! :lol: (and no I dont have Rooney in my team & my avatar suggest Im far from a Man Utd fan!)
You clearly, however,dont understand the term in relation to Fantasy Football :wink:
I think TFF 'case history' is the only thing in this world that says Rooney wasn't in possession of the ball.

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Well thats what were playing isnt it? thats the forum were in...

Thats what im talking about anyway

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The Jezster wrote:Well thats what were playing isnt it? thats the forum were in...

Thats what im talking about anyway
I know. Just stating an observation :wink:

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The Jezster wrote:
spiderm4tt wrote:
The Jezster wrote:How can you say he was in possession!!???? :shock:
Because I understand football! and anyone who does understand can see that Rooney had control of the ball in his possession...its simple. King Kenny, Maradona, Pele were all masters of this skill & please dont tell they werent in possession either! :lol: (and no I dont have Rooney in my team & my avatar suggest Im far from a Man Utd fan!)
You clearly, however,dont understand the term in relation to Fantasy Football :wink:
Yes maybe I dont in relation to Fantasy Football...but u cant blame me as the TFF decisions are poor at times to say the least. I mean Henry Winter is the only person alive who thinks Robbie Keane was not MOTM yesterday! :?

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Guys, I know you're pissed at the decision but according to the rules of TFF running after the ball doesn't put you 'in possession' and therefore doesn't merit a KC.

Of course by any standard it was a key contribution, but it wasn't a Key Contribution (if you see what I mean).

I've had 'Mr Angry' arguments with Bram before and I've always been wrong. Sometimes we let our emotions guide us - call it the Pardew-Wenger syndrome. :wink:

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For what it's worth, I think he should have got a KC because being in such close proximity to the ball is clearly a sort of posession. I also think that when a defender hand balls on the line the striker should get a KC for that penalty as well. However, this thread is all about giving an early indication of what KCs are likely to be awarded and it was clear to me that he wouldn't get one. In addition to helping people tot up their scores, I'm sure some people then decide whether to go for MOTW as well, so it's best to be realistic on this thread.

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[quote="spiderm4tt] I mean Henry Winter is the only person alive who thinks Robbie Keane was not MOTM yesterday! :?[/quote]

Actually I'd have given it to Dawson

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stevejtr wrote:
Actually I'd have given it to Dawson
Me too. Lennon had some great flashes, and his finishing was perfect, but he wasn't ever-present. He seems to be a Cesc-like MOTM default right now, though. Dawson was everywhere. Keane I'd have as a distant third, if that - Robinson was pretty solid, too.

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spiderm4tt wrote: Yes maybe I dont in relation to Fantasy Football...but u cant blame me as the TFF decisions are poor at times to say the least. I mean Henry Winter is the only person alive who thinks Robbie Keane was not MOTM yesterday! :?
Henry Winters initial team had Lennon in.

Wonder if he still has him. :roll:

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Is it possible that the guy who runs the TFF points couldn't decide whether it was a KC or not, so he came on to the KC thread to see what Bramernic thought. Then decided to agree with Bramernic.

Bramernics KC predictions have become a self-fulfilling prophecy?

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mstylianou wrote:Is it possible that the guy who runs the TFF points couldn't decide whether it was a KC or not, so he came on to the KC thread to see what Bramernic thought. Then decided to agree with Bramernic.

Bramernics KC predictions have become a self-fulfilling prophecy?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I wish!

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mstylianou wrote:Is it possible that the guy who runs the TFF points couldn't decide whether it was a KC or not, so he came on to the KC thread to see what Bramernic thought. Then decided to agree with Bramernic.

Bramernics KC predictions have become a self-fulfilling prophecy?
If you really believe that then fair enough.

If you are just saying that tongue in cheek, then you should be delighted that we have someone on FISO who can determine so often who gets the KCs. What good would it be if we all accepted that Rooney would get a KC, if on Wednesday you looked at your points and it wasn't there?

It's not Bram's fault (unless of course your initial consideration is true :shock: ).

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mstylianou wrote:Is it possible that the guy who runs the TFF points couldn't decide whether it was a KC or not, so he came on to the KC thread to see what Bramernic thought. Then decided to agree with Bramernic.

Bramernics KC predictions have become a self-fulfilling prophecy?
Nice one mate - keep on with those sort of comments and your find Bramernic not doing it and that would piss 99.9% of us off!

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