Week 9 KCs and MotM Oct 14th 15th and 16th

Post by **kini** » 15 Oct 2006, 09:02

Bramernic wrote:
Hammertime wrote:Sure it was Jenas who took the corner?
Defoe won the corner and could be seen walking towards the flag to take it. Jenas was also spotted in the area (or someone wearing his number shirt).

it was a left footer wasn't it?? got a feeling it could have been assou-ekkoto

Post by **Flowerpot** » 15 Oct 2006, 09:02

Bramernic wrote:Portsmouth 2-0 West Ham
Cole (-)

Just to help me understand these things (and not get my hopes up watching MoTD) why do you say no KC for Taylor here - it looked like a pretty straight forward one-two with him after Cole got the ball from Lua Lua...

Post by **axel** » 15 Oct 2006, 09:17

kini wrote:
Bramernic wrote:
Hammertime wrote:Sure it was Jenas who took the corner?
Defoe won the corner and could be seen walking towards the flag to take it. Jenas was also spotted in the area (or someone wearing his number shirt).
it was a left footer wasn't it?? got a feeling it could have been assou-ekkoto

Unfortunatly not, according to the BBC and the Spurs website it was Defoe. Didn't even realise he took corners!

For the record I still think the Telegraph will still give Lampard a KC.

Post by **dukeg** » 15 Oct 2006, 09:20

IMO this is a close one, but as Taylor put Cole through I think a West Ham defender sliding in got enough of a touch on the ball to negate a KC before Cole got up to score.

Post by **Newbie** » 15 Oct 2006, 10:03

Would Fabregas not get a KC for Adebayors goal then??? His pass split the defence for Henry who squared the ball for a goal for Adebayor?

Is this not classed as a KC?

Post by **Neva** » 15 Oct 2006, 10:05

Newbie wrote:Would Fabregas not get a KC for Adebayors goal then??? His pass split the defence for Henry who squared the ball for a goal for Adebayor?

Is this not classed as a KC?

I would have thought so too but Bramernic says no

Post by **saboo** » 15 Oct 2006, 10:28

Neva wrote:
Newbie wrote:Would Fabregas not get a KC for Adebayors goal then??? His pass split the defence for Henry who squared the ball for a goal for Adebayor?

Is this not classed as a KC?
I would have thought so too but Bramernic says no

Considering Hleb got one for Van Persie's second against Charlton (for a pass that was hardly defence splitting) I'd be surprised if Fabregas didn't get one personally.

Post by **Elvis77** » 15 Oct 2006, 12:04

Bramernic wrote:
Elvis77 wrote:Disappointing thread. At least you tried Judio. I was looking for some decent info before going to bed.
At least let us finish watching MOTD before posting our thoughts.

Sorry Bram wasnt a dig at you old son, thought MOTD was finshed too!

Post by **hardbody** » 15 Oct 2006, 12:20

Bramernic is a god. Don't ever question the great man.

Post by **Bramernic** » 15 Oct 2006, 12:48

Newbie wrote:Would Fabregas not get a KC for Adebayors goal then??? His pass split the defence for Henry who squared the ball for a goal for Adebayor?

Is this not classed as a KC?

Usually when they give two KCs the player in the middle only has one (or at most two) touches. Henry touched it three times. I agree that the original pass was defence splitting and if Henry had scored it would probably have got a KC. I can't remember a similar situation, but I agree that this one could possibly go either way. My gut feeling is only one KC, but we'll have to see on Monday.

Post by **hardbody** » 15 Oct 2006, 12:58

Bramernic wrote:
Newbie wrote:Would Fabregas not get a KC for Adebayors goal then??? His pass split the defence for Henry who squared the ball for a goal for Adebayor?

Is this not classed as a KC?
Usually when they give two KCs the player in the middle only has one (or at most two) touches. Henry touched it three times. I agree that the original pass was defence splitting and if Henry had scored it would probably have got a KC. I can't remember a similar situation, but I agree that this one could possibly go either way. My gut feeling is only one KC, but we'll have to see on Monday.

So you're saying no KC? I've decided this will make or break your god-like status in the hardbody's eyes. That, and your thought process behind Cahill's goal and the argument of a Johnson KC. I'm a no to both.

Post by **Bramernic** » 15 Oct 2006, 13:01

dukeg wrote:IMO this is a close one, but as Taylor put Cole through I think a West Ham defender sliding in got enough of a touch on the ball to negate a KC before Cole got up to score.

Yes, in fact he almost fell/laid on the ball and nearly took Cole with him. Cole struggled to stay upright, nearly handballed in the process, before getting the ball away to score. I'd say that was classed as too much work for a KC even if the defenders touch isn't deemed significant, which it should be.

Post by **Judio** » 15 Oct 2006, 14:35

Sunday TIMES MOTMs

FABREGAS
ESSIEN
AGBONLAHOR
BARTON
ROONEY
KANU
MCCARTHY
BOATENG

Post by **HOOTER** » 15 Oct 2006, 15:43

Sunday TIMES MOTMs

AGBONLAHOR

He was hopeless for most of the game . I know its all down to the persons view , but thats a poor one ....

Post by **chaser2k4** » 15 Oct 2006, 17:19

Newcastle 1 -2 Bolton

Ameobi (-)
Diouf (Anelka & poss Meite)
Diouf ( Campo & Davies )

Post by **Bramernic** » 15 Oct 2006, 18:15

Advance warning:

Contrary to some people's beliefs I do have a life, and I'm out this evening. This means my view on today's match will be delayed (possibly until the morning). It has nothing to do with comments made on another thread.

Post by **Judio** » 15 Oct 2006, 18:21

chaser2k4 wrote:Newcastle 1 -2 Bolton

Ameobi (-)
Diouf (Anelka & poss Meite)
Diouf ( Campo & Davies )

Campo's was a floated free kick which was flicked on

Meite's was more of a long pass to Anelka, but it was a great ball

There is a possiblity they will BOTH get KCs

Difficult to judge

Post by **murf** » 15 Oct 2006, 18:22

Campo's is a definite isn't it?

I'm not enough of an expert to say anything other than Meite's is 'possible'....

Post by **thepole** » 15 Oct 2006, 18:28

murf wrote:Campo's is a definite isn't it?

I'm not enough of an expert to say anything other than Meite's is 'possible'....

Campos is a definite KC, not sure about Meites, fingers crossed anyway

Post by **Hammertime** » 15 Oct 2006, 18:57

Hope Meite gets a KC, it was certainly a key contribution to the goal but as Anelka had a few touches before his cross to Diouf I'm not sure?

Post by **danblu11** » 15 Oct 2006, 19:20

Will martins get a KC for winning the penalty ? ( well kicking the ball at defenders hand)

Post by **leeloo** » 15 Oct 2006, 19:28

danblu11 wrote:Will martins get a KC for winning the penalty ? ( well kicking the ball at defenders hand)

No.

Post by **maddocio** » 15 Oct 2006, 20:28

HOOTER wrote:Sunday TIMES MOTMs

AGBONLAHOR

He was hopeless for most of the game . I know its all down to the persons view , but thats a poor one ....

Totally agree, A-E kept him quiet and there were several much stronger candidates

Post by **pottster** » 15 Oct 2006, 20:42

I know rules is rules (in this case the wording may be crucial) - but in the case of the Frank Lampard 'assist' - it goes against the reasoning why key contributions are given if he doesen't get one.

A goal resulted directly as a result of a well taken free kick that was on target (no other attacking player was directly involved), the defence were unable to clear the shot on goal and the result was an own goal.

It's not as though the FL shot fell at the feet of a defender who in trying to clear the ball toe-poked it into the backside of a fellow defernder with the ball rebounding into the net

now I could see why that would not be given

May as well scrap altoghether 3 points for an assist if you don't get one for this

Post by **Jameselaprendi** » 15 Oct 2006, 20:50

If the first defender had been a chelsea player, then Lampard would have got a KC (along with the player), isnt that right?

Why (philisophically) do the rules change when its an opposition player making the '2nd' KC?

Post by **maddocio** » 15 Oct 2006, 21:00

I know people don't like 'cross fertilisation' on these boards but it is interesting to note that FPL gave assists to Lampard, Johnson, Fabregas and even Petrov. I (previously) thought it was harder to get a three point bonus from them!

Post by **Jameselaprendi** » 15 Oct 2006, 21:30

The Petrov one is strange, surely completely out of the question TFF wise anyway.

Are the TFFO(?) scores not updated already so we can lay this to rest?

Post by **crabby** » 15 Oct 2006, 21:35

not till tommorow morning james.

Post by **Burcop** » 16 Oct 2006, 00:06

Had a look at the telegraph website yesterday, and they seemed to give assists to Lehmann for Henry's goal, assst to Taylor for Cole's goal,and assist to Johnson for Cahill's goal(or at least his contribution was metioned)
Have an interest in all three of these, but as has been said before Bramernic is usually right

Post by **Dave_E** » 16 Oct 2006, 00:46

MotM for Diouf link

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