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TFF World Cup 2018

Postby LAMPS27 » 15 May 2018, 10:35

Hi all,

4 years ago the game was launched on the last day of the domestic English season (May 11th) - no launch so far for this year's game. Should we expect it to launch anytime soon? Does anyone have any information?

I assume the game will be like the Euro 2016 version or should we expect some radical changes or even the feared rule of limited players from each country.

Really looking forward to this year's game so hopefully it's released soon!

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby Maldini » 15 May 2018, 17:41

A very vague post on their facebook page stating that the game will launch in the 'coming days'.

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby Darbyand » 15 May 2018, 18:35

I've queried how many transfers. I think it was 40 for the last Euros which made it (for me) a tedious block jumping exercise. Obviously there's more games in the World Cup but even so I'm hoping for similar to 2014 when it was 24.

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby mad dog » 16 May 2018, 07:36

Darbyand wrote:
15 May 2018, 18:35
I've queried how many transfers. I think it was 40 for the last Euros which made it (for me) a tedious block jumping exercise. Obviously there's more games in the World Cup but even so I'm hoping for similar to 2014 when it was 24.
This just makes it such a chore with the 2pm and 5pm games when your at work. It’s ok for the retired or unemployed. Luckily I don’t do much at work so I’m fine although my crapness at tff is a hinderance

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby murf » 16 May 2018, 15:41

mad dog wrote:
Darbyand wrote:
15 May 2018, 18:35
I've queried how many transfers. I think it was 40 for the last Euros which made it (for me) a tedious block jumping exercise. Obviously there's more games in the World Cup but even so I'm hoping for similar to 2014 when it was 24.
This just makes it such a chore with the 2pm and 5pm games when your at work. It’s ok for the retired or unemployed. Luckily I don’t do much at work so I’m fine although my crapness at tff is a hinderance
I preferred it when working. Helped to pass the time. Now I'm retired there is no way I'm wasting sunny afternoons churning through transfers!

Best head back out into the garden. Laters. ...

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby Matt70 » 16 May 2018, 22:06

Looked at the fixtures the other day. Thought Russia France or Uruguay block to start.

Any predictions on most expensive player. I guess Messi

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby LAMPS27 » 17 May 2018, 08:53

I hope they launch the game soon as it would be handy to work out the maximum player appearances that we can use in the group and knockout stages. I think it was robot who produced a chart last time which was really helpful.

When to use the blocks

Something that stuck with me from the Euro 2016 game was that a lot of members saved their block transfers for the third round of fixtures.

From what I remember the rationale was because of rotation and sides having various things to play for you are ensuring you get guaranteed starters whilst most people who have used their transfers earlier could have rested players in the final game therefore not maximising their appearances. The amnesty transfer window before the knock out stages helped with this tactic so you're not carrying potentially second string defences into the knock outs.

Was the guaranteed starters in round 3 (maximizing player appearances) the main reason for holding back the blocks until game 3?

I know statistically that Round 1 of games is the lowest scoring and round 3 the most so it seems odd to opt for this strategy.

Ironically I think I got burned with some rotation last time out in game 3 but even so it's hard to rely a block of 5 transfers on a countries "B Team" defence knowing there's likely to be very little on the game. This is also on the assumption we are transferring the big country (FRA, SPA, ITA, BEL, GER etc) defences and it's highly likely they are playing for very little in game 3.

Have I missed something in this approach as to you why it was so popular?

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby LAMPS27 » 17 May 2018, 09:09

Matt70 wrote:
16 May 2018, 22:06
Looked at the fixtures the other day. Thought Russia France or Uruguay block to start.
I think it's a no brainier to go with the Russian block to start with.

Russia are a poor side but it's hard to envisage Saudi Arabia causing problems. Although I'm still haunted by France - Romania in the Euros.

Something which caught my eye and isn't great for Russia backers regards the host nation on opening night. Below are the last 6 opening game fixtures from WC/Euros.

Euro 2016; France 2-1 Romania
WC 2014: Brazil 3-1 Croatia
Euro 2012: Poland 1-1 Greece
WC 2010; South Africa 1-1 Mexico
Euro 2008: Switzerland 0-1 Czech Republic
WC 2006: Germany 4-2 Costa Rica

In this sample of 6 (tiny of course) there is no clean sheet from a host nation. Within the 6, France, Poland, Switzerland and Germany you would expect to see a CS and all failed.

This has very little impact on whether Russia can keep out Saudi Arabia but the bookies have it down as a 67% chance at the moment and that's likely to increase as more money comes in nearer the time.

At the moment I am in the Russia camp but France look the next best alternative if looking to start with a block relatively early on.

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby CptPugwash » 17 May 2018, 13:08

At this early stage i'd be planning on russia block for games 1&2 (SA & Egypt) then switching to SPA or PORT for games 2&3 (Iran & Morocco)

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TFF World Cup 2018

Postby SamD » 17 May 2018, 13:27

Think there's some amnesia (earlier in thread) about transfer numbers in previous TFF summer contests.

In 2014 World Cup game, 40 transfers were available over the whole competition.
In 2016 Euro Championships, we had 26 transfers in group phase and 20 for KO stage.

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby Darbyand » 17 May 2018, 13:39

SamD wrote:
17 May 2018, 13:27
Think there's some amnesia (earlier in thread) about transfer numbers in previous TFF summer contests.

In 2014 World Cup game, 40 transfers were available over the whole competition.
In 2016 Euro Championships, we had 26 transfers in group phase and 20 for KO stage.
That'll be me then. :oops: I knew there was something odd about 2016, a hell of a lot of transfers for a 51 game tournament. Did you get to reset your team for the ko phase too??

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby itslikebrandnew » 17 May 2018, 13:50

Russia block defence :lol:

Have you seen their results. They can't even keep a clean sheet against Iran or South Korea.

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Previous summer contest

Postby SamD » 17 May 2018, 13:53

Yes, between end of group stage and start of knockout phase in 2016 Euro Championships we had 11 extra transfers (rather than an unlimited amnesty).

For info, World Cup squads are being collated here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/0/ ... s-updates/

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Re: Previous summer contest

Postby Darbyand » 17 May 2018, 14:19

SamD wrote:
17 May 2018, 13:53
Yes, between end of group stage and start of knockout phase in 2016 Euro Championships we had 11 extra transfers (rather than an unlimited amnesty).
So you had to commit to transfers rather than keep mucking about with your team? You can do the latter using the reset button of course.

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Postby SamD » 17 May 2018, 14:28

Yes, you had to commit to the 11 transfers between the group and KO stages in 2016.

Would guess we'll have unlimited transfer amnesty after the group phase this summer, based on precedent in TFF 2017-18 Champions League game.

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby Darbyand » 17 May 2018, 19:32

Had a response via Facebook to say 26+20 again and as Sam says almost certainly an amnesty in between. 64 games in the world cup vs 51 in Euros so a bit more spaced out...but still feels like a lot and as said earlier set up for a block jumping strategy.

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby robot » 17 May 2018, 21:04

Just had a look at the fixture sequence for said block swaps, only way to win or at least must involve some block swaps IMO so now needs some thought.

No "extra" games like there was when russia played twice before another team played once at a previous tournament so it's a simple case of every transfer needs to be to a team that has 1 more game to play to get the full 59 appearances.
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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby Matt70 » 17 May 2018, 21:41

Its either go with Blocks or rotate Another simple tactic is to just keep rotating 1 striker position every match or so and double up with 2 strikers where teams up against weak opponents

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby robot » 17 May 2018, 22:18

The leader after the group stage will probably be on about 350ish points.
If you pick a block that gets 105 points you then have to get 245 points from 44 outfield appearances which is about 6 per game so your relying on nearly every striker change resulting in a goal as well as your midfielders doing ok.

Or

Swap the block say 4 times for 7 block games and get 6 clean sheets = 230 plus 10 for the fail = 240.( out of 35 appearences)(7×5)

Then you have 6 outfield changes plus the 18 (6 outfield players ×3 ) =24 to get 110 points , which needs about an ave of 4.5 per player to reach 350.

Option b is more shit or bust but much more likely to succeed.

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby robot » 18 May 2018, 09:40

Has given me some thought on a side game based on blocks will wait for the game to launch but something along the lines of enter 2 teams one to use 20 changes on block swaps and 6 elsewhere, the other pick a block and make 26 striker changes.

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TFF World Cup 2018

Postby SamD » 18 May 2018, 09:57

While we're advertising…

Note the dual-team version of the TFF cash super league will return in June.
As usual, format enables each entrant to play with two different strategies.

Two latest runnings:
2016 Euro Championships: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=120845
2014 TFF World Cup Two-Foot Challenge: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=110042

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby CptPugwash » 18 May 2018, 10:52

itslikebrandnew wrote:
17 May 2018, 13:50
Russia block defence :lol:

Have you seen their results. They can't even keep a clean sheet against Iran or South Korea.
It's not about the liklihood of Russia keeping clean sheets, it's statistically the best approach to hopping on to Spain or Portugal for their second group game.

Not saying that a Russia block is necessarily the best approach, only that it is the best approach for the Spain/Portugal switch.

Also it at least guarantees starters for any starting team entries.

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby itslikebrandnew » 18 May 2018, 11:53

CptPugwash wrote:
18 May 2018, 10:52
itslikebrandnew wrote:
17 May 2018, 13:50
Russia block defence :lol:

Have you seen their results. They can't even keep a clean sheet against Iran or South Korea.
It's not about the liklihood of Russia keeping clean sheets, it's statistically the best approach to hopping on to Spain or Portugal for their second group game.

Not saying that a Russia block is necessarily the best approach, only that it is the best approach for the Spain/Portugal switch.

Also it at least guarantees starters for any starting team entries.
You've lost me on this. If Russia don't get a clean sheet or get 7 out of 10's then it's transfers wasted isn't it as you might of well started with Spain / Portugal. Plus why hop onto Spain / Portugual? They are the two best teams in the group playing each other, surely you'd hop onto a team that's up against poor opposition. Also isn't it likely that whoever wins out of Spain / Portugual may not need to put out a full strength team in game 3?

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby Darbyand » 18 May 2018, 12:06

robot wrote:
17 May 2018, 22:18
The leader after the group stage will probably be on about 350ish points.
If you pick a block that gets 105 points you then have to get 245 points from 44 outfield appearances which is about 6 per game so your relying on nearly every striker change resulting in a goal as well as your midfielders doing ok.

Or

Swap the block say 4 times for 7 block games and get 6 clean sheets = 230 plus 10 for the fail = 240.( out of 35 appearences)(7×5)

Then you have 6 outfield changes plus the 18 (6 outfield players ×3 ) =24 to get 110 points , which needs about an ave of 4.5 per player to reach 350.

Option b is more shit or bust but much more likely to succeed.
And just needs however many managers to nail it by making 4 correct decisions to take them out of reach versus needing to get it right 20+ times in option a. I know it's the same for everyone but it feels like a pretty bloodless way of playing fantasy football.

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby robot » 18 May 2018, 13:14

itslikebrandnew wrote:
18 May 2018, 11:53
CptPugwash wrote:
18 May 2018, 10:52
itslikebrandnew wrote:
17 May 2018, 13:50
Russia block defence :lol:

Have you seen their results. They can't even keep a clean sheet against Iran or South Korea.
It's not about the liklihood of Russia keeping clean sheets, it's statistically the best approach to hopping on to Spain or Portugal for their second group game.

Not saying that a Russia block is necessarily the best approach, only that it is the best approach for the Spain/Portugal switch.

Also it at least guarantees starters for any starting team entries.
You've lost me on this. If Russia don't get a clean sheet or get 7 out of 10's
You know your in the tff thread? Where do 7 out of 10's come from.

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby robot » 18 May 2018, 13:17

Darbyand wrote:
18 May 2018, 12:06
robot wrote:
17 May 2018, 22:18
The leader after the group stage will probably be on about 350ish points.
If you pick a block that gets 105 points you then have to get 245 points from 44 outfield appearances which is about 6 per game so your relying on nearly every striker change resulting in a goal as well as your midfielders doing ok.

Or

Swap the block say 4 times for 7 block games and get 6 clean sheets = 230 plus 10 for the fail = 240.( out of 35 appearences)(7×5)

Then you have 6 outfield changes plus the 18 (6 outfield players ×3 ) =24 to get 110 points , which needs about an ave of 4.5 per player to reach 350.

Option b is more shit or bust but much more likely to succeed.
And just needs however many managers to nail it by making 4 correct decisions to take them out of reach versus needing to get it right 20+ times in option a. I know it's the same for everyone but it feels like a pretty bloodless way of playing fantasy football.
Yes your right but it is what it is (unless they bring in a max per team rule) so it's either go with it or accept your unlikely to win.

If I do a block side game it will be interesting to see the results.

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby BLOCKHEAD » 18 May 2018, 13:22

A competition based on multiple block switches - sounds like my sort of game :D

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby itslikebrandnew » 18 May 2018, 13:24

robot wrote:
18 May 2018, 13:14
itslikebrandnew wrote:
18 May 2018, 11:53
CptPugwash wrote:
18 May 2018, 10:52
itslikebrandnew wrote:
17 May 2018, 13:50
Russia block defence :lol:

Have you seen their results. They can't even keep a clean sheet against Iran or South Korea.
It's not about the liklihood of Russia keeping clean sheets, it's statistically the best approach to hopping on to Spain or Portugal for their second group game.

Not saying that a Russia block is necessarily the best approach, only that it is the best approach for the Spain/Portugal switch.

Also it at least guarantees starters for any starting team entries.
You've lost me on this. If Russia don't get a clean sheet or get 7 out of 10's
You know your in the tff thread? Where do 7 out of 10's come from.
Assists then. Either way i don't get the point of picking a crap teams defence, to then swap to one of 2 teams of which one will probably put out a B team in the 3rd game if they win the first 2 games.

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby Maldini » 18 May 2018, 13:52

You swap them again. :idea:

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Re: TFF World Cup 2018

Postby LAMPS27 » 18 May 2018, 13:59

robot wrote:
17 May 2018, 22:18
Swap the block say 4 times for 7 block games and get 6 clean sheets = 230 plus 10 for the fail = 240.( out of 35 appearences)(7×5)

Then you have 6 outfield changes plus the 18 (6 outfield players ×3 ) =24 to get 110 points , which needs about an ave of 4.5 per player to reach 350.

Option b is more shit or bust but much more likely to succeed.
Regarding Swap the block 4 times for 7 block games.

I tried this for the following and only get 6 blocks, where have i gone wrong?

Start with Russia v Saudi Arabia (0 Tfr used overall)
Swap 1 - 5 Tfr to Belgium v Panama (5 Trf Used)
Swap 2- 5 Tfr to Portugal v Morocco (10 Trf Used overall)
Swap 3- 5 Tfr to Spain v Iran (15 Trf Used)
No Swap - 0 Trf Spain v Morocco - rotation a big risk here for player apps (15 Trf Used)
Swap 4 - 5 Tfr to Germany v South Korea (20 Trf Used)

So 4 swaps and 6 blocks playing but highly likely the Spain - Morocco game will see only a few players featuring. This is at the cost of 20 transfers leaving 6 for general outfield changes.

Also 7 blocks with 6 clean sheets = 230.
Excuse my poor maths but isn't it....
7 points for a starter who keeps a clean sheet in a back 5 (1xGK and 4 DEF) = 35 a game
6 clean sheets out of 7 blocks at 35 a time= 210
Where is the other 20 points from?


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