Ignorantia juris non excusatKnulpuk wrote:Even then they may not guilty of a criminal office.
A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it.
If he genuinely believes he is acting honestly he might get away with it - though the goods would have to be returned.
Be suprised if it got that far.
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If youre talking about theft then you dont even need to leave the store for the offence to be complete.foxinthebox2001 wrote:gazwood wrote:How much in vouchers do you have?WilBert wrote:Can't even do that with my vouchers. They stopped accepting vouchers last night. Told to try again in a few weeks.Knulpuk wrote: I want to read Great Expectations: Do I go to Waterstones, hope its in stock and pay £5.99 for a (good) paperback.
If for example you have £20, go into your local HMV, select £20 worth of goods (nothing more), provide the voucher to the cashier, they'll refuse it, you refuse to return the goods. No criminal offences at least not until you step outside the shop premises with the unpaid for goods in your possession, civil dispute only for which they'd have to take you to court for which obviously isn't going to happen. Job done.
But in my argument, Not if the buyer genuinely believed that the voucher formed part of that payment.
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But surely a) there would be signs and b) the assistant would point it out immediately. At this point there can be no doubt.
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Most likely. I'm purely playing Devils AdvokateDrBunker wrote:But surely a) there would be signs and b) the assistant would point it out immediately. At this point there can be no doubt.
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Good job you don't work in law enforcement!gazwood wrote:Most likely. I'm purely playing Devils AdvokateDrBunker wrote:But surely a) there would be signs and b) the assistant would point it out immediately. At this point there can be no doubt.
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It's all about matters being in the public interest Murf
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That seemed to be the gist.
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Ignorance is no defence as you say but it's hardly clear cut - the CPS would have to be sure of the conviction, lets see -
R-v- Little Timmy and his Nan's gift - Snaresbrook Crown Court, Monday 10:00.
I know what i would be backing as a result.
R-v- Little Timmy and his Nan's gift - Snaresbrook Crown Court, Monday 10:00.
I know what i would be backing as a result.
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AgreedKnulpuk wrote:Ignorance is no defence as you say but it's hardly clear cut - the CPS would have to be sure of the conviction, lets see -
R-v- Little Timmy and his Nan's gift - Snaresbrook Crown Court, Monday 10:00.
I know what i would be backing as a result.
Wouldn't even get to the police station let alone a charge & court
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It probably would as you'd have to break into the store in the first placegazwood wrote:AgreedKnulpuk wrote:Ignorance is no defence as you say but it's hardly clear cut - the CPS would have to be sure of the conviction, lets see -
R-v- Little Timmy and his Nan's gift - Snaresbrook Crown Court, Monday 10:00.
I know what i would be backing as a result.
Wouldn't even get to the police station let alone a charge & court
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If you're suggesting that as a result of HMV having gone under, then I'd say there'd be no complainant, therefore no IP (victim), therefore no offencemurf wrote:It probably would as you'd have to break into the store in the first placegazwood wrote:AgreedKnulpuk wrote:Ignorance is no defence as you say but it's hardly clear cut - the CPS would have to be sure of the conviction, lets see -
R-v- Little Timmy and his Nan's gift - Snaresbrook Crown Court, Monday 10:00.
I know what i would be backing as a result.
Wouldn't even get to the police station let alone a charge & court
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In these specific circumstances I suspect you'd get away with it, but under contract law you've not formed a contract, the goods still belong to the shop and its clear cut theft, whether or not the person knows the law or not.gazwood wrote:AgreedKnulpuk wrote:Ignorance is no defence as you say but it's hardly clear cut - the CPS would have to be sure of the conviction, lets see -
R-v- Little Timmy and his Nan's gift - Snaresbrook Crown Court, Monday 10:00.
I know what i would be backing as a result.
Wouldn't even get to the police station let alone a charge & court
The fact that you wouldn't get 'done' doesn't mean you've not committed a crime.
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Me too - bring back the stocksKnulpuk wrote:Ignorance is no defence as you say but it's hardly clear cut - the CPS would have to be sure of the conviction, lets see -
R-v- Little Timmy and his Nan's gift - Snaresbrook Crown Court, Monday 10:00.
I know what i would be backing as a result.
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Stop putting evil ideas in my head you lot.
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Here we go
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... olicy.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Not paying the €6.80 took it a little far
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... olicy.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Not paying the €6.80 took it a little far
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Will be interesting to see what what happens with this as if they let it slide it could get messy...
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Are the stores still trading here? I didn't think they were but the Irish one must be open for that story to have happened.DrBunker wrote:Will be interesting to see what what happens with this as if they let it slide it could get messy...
If they are trading and not taking vouchers then they are really taking the pi$$ and deserve all they get.
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Knulpuk wrote:Here we go
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... olicy.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Not paying the €6.80 took it a little far
Tbh stealing these games shouldn't be a crime in the first place.Euro Truck Simulator 2, The Sims 3 Town Life and Rail Simulator.
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The same thought occurred to me.flyingkillercob wrote:Tbh stealing these games shouldn't be a crime in the first place.Euro Truck Simulator 2, The Sims 3 Town Life and Rail Simulator.
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Playing those games should be a crime.
Buying them for your grandchild should be classified as child abuse.
Buying them for your grandchild should be classified as child abuse.
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He still paid £39.00, if he had got those 3 titles through Amazon.UK it would have been £36.21 including postage. Some people never learn.
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I rest my caseKnulpuk wrote:Here we go
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... olicy.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Not paying the €6.80 took it a little far
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What a hero
Unsecured creditor? Me f eckin arse
Unsecured creditor? Me f eckin arse
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Quite a thought provoking blog.
http://caitlinleyshon.wordpress.com/201 ... redundant/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Looks like the hypothetical debate over using HMV vouchers is moot:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21118711" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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HMV administrators Deloitte today confirmed that all proceeds from the sale of 'He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother' will go to the Hillsborough families' fight for justice.
Liverpool Walton MP Steve Rotheram contacted the administrators last Friday to ensure all money made from the sale of the charity single would go to the families.
Joint administrator Nick Edwards said: "I can confirm that all money raised by HMV for various charities will be paid in full."
Liverpool Walton MP Steve Rotheram contacted the administrators last Friday to ensure all money made from the sale of the charity single would go to the families.
Joint administrator Nick Edwards said: "I can confirm that all money raised by HMV for various charities will be paid in full."
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Sounds like they think they'll be able to find a buyer that wants to keep the name then
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Good article about good independent record stores in UK:
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and sales of vinyl continue to increase tooSpencer4 wrote:Good article about good independent record stores in UK:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/ma ... ps-britain" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Good documentary film worth watching...
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