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Does that look like your starting XI mike?

Torreira and Xhaka to come in for Elneny and Guen presumably?

No lacazette and No Leno though

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Hopefully the stream flows.....

This is pretty much the first meaningful Preseason Match re both Clubs equally close to the start of the season, and not many changes re GW1.

Front 3 are the same as the last match too, which maybe a good sign?

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Same Chelsea XI as their last match.
Checked last line up and a few tweaks: Ozil into front 3 replaced by Ramsey and Iwobi drops out.

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Subs: Leno, Chambers, Holding, Mavropanos, Maitland-Niles, Nelson, Smith Rowe, Iwobi, Nketiah, Lacazette

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Ramsey injured in warm up, would think Smith Rowe likely to start but not sure

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Is he 55? He looks like he could be

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0 - 1 Think it was Rudiga from a corner, poor marking

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Yep

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Cech saves Pen Bellerin poor defending

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Lucky its only 1 if not for Cech would have been at least 4, both fullbacks awful, hope second half better performance. Going forward not to bad, prefer Aub coming from wide with a second striker hope that's what happens 2nd half.The young Cfc kid looks a bit good tearing Bellerin apart

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1 - 1 Lac in last minute,

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Better 2nd half, no idea how we will go this season but a win on pen tonight shows they do keep going, but hope that the 2 backs we started with tonight are not starting the season truly dire from both. Hope Latzio game will give a better idea of our start 11.
2 best players tonight 2 of the Cfc youngsters, there 2nd half keeper was brilliant other was the young winger who created the pen.

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Think I might go with Laca over Aub. Sounds like he plays more centrally. Definitely could use the extra 1.5m too.

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Afc game tomorrow to be shown on Afc website think its from 7pm

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Sead Kolasinac out for 10 weeks.

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Ashers wrote:Sead Kolasinac out for 10 weeks.
Gutting for him:
The former Schalke player is also likely to be absent for two Europa League group matches and the third round of the Carabao Cup.

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Starting XI: Leno, Lichtsteiner, Chambers, Holding, Maitland-Niles, Xhaka, Torreira, Nelson, Iwobi, Lacazette, Nketiah

Subs: Bellerin, Sokratis, Mustafi, Mavrapanos, Elneny, Mkhitaryan, Ozil, Guendouzi, Smith Rowe, Aubameyang

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The subs would win, even without a Keeper?

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1 - 0 Reis Nelson not sure if was on side, seem to be 442 manager trying out all permutations

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Still work to do at the back, to many lose passes (not as many as in previous games) defence set up lot narrower, man to man at corners still needs work, to me thats a positive it may take bit of time but will improve us. Going forward looks ok. Ball moving far quicker out from back thats another positive. It is an entertaining game.

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mikeg13 wrote: 04 Aug 2018, 19:58 Still work to do at the back, to many lose passes (not as many as in previous games) defence set up lot narrower, man to man at corners still needs work, to me thats a positive it may take bit of time but will improve us. Going forward looks ok. Ball moving far quicker out from back thats another positive. It is an entertaining game.
Definitely and Torre looks good, the CB's just need to learn to knock it back to him when he knocks it to them.....

Hopefully Torr and Leich stay on with the rest of the 1st XI going on in second half. Dick may have "got" the confidence of loads of second half goals?

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2 - 0 Aub bit of a scuffy one but they all count

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f/t 2 - 0
Much tighter 2nd half far fewer errors, to me we have to pair Lac and Aub far better as a pair, Guendouzi and Torreira look a good pair as well. We have seen that new guy accepts that its ok to defend, thats a plus. Probably take a few Prem games to judge season but do think we will have a chance at top 4 finish, we still need a proper wide player and maybe another FB but its not a bad squad.

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mikeg13 wrote: 04 Aug 2018, 21:04 f/t 2 - 0
Much tighter 2nd half far fewer errors, to me we have to pair Lac and Aub far better as a pair, Guendouzi and Torreira look a good pair as well. We have seen that new guy accepts that its ok to defend, thats a plus. Probably take a few Prem games to judge season but do think we will have a chance at top 4 finish, we still need a proper wide player and maybe another FB but its not a bad squad.
Yep to the 2 pairings, especially the DM\M 2 - dare I type modern footballers as opposed to what you have had in those positions for a while? Trouble is who else plays. If you go for both pairs then:
  • attacking FB's, with 3 CB's and 1 of Ozil\Mkh\Ramsey between the 2 pairs
  • a diamond with two of the three above, but width would have to come from FB's and is Torr that good at fitting into the CB's when the FB(s) attack? I have only really watched him tonight, and he plays well, obviously doesn't look as good as Guendouzi :lol:
  • dump the 3 above and get some wingers and go 4-2-3-1. As good as 2 names is, he is young and can't play a season inc Europe.
  • Keep Wellbeck, hope he stays fit and go 4-3-3 with him (or Iwobi) up top with the other 2 and one of Ozil\Ramsey\Mkh with Torre and Guen. I kinda like this one, as 2 names could play up top or do the Ozil\Mkh\Ram role?

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Well we know we have a very different manager, with Wenger last pre season game the start 11 would be clear, not a genuine clue with new guy.
Maitland Niles LB, Torreria DM, Ozil and Aub in attack the other 7 is a guess, with Aub in my view only gen pick in FF terms he looks up for it.
Would not be surprised to see Guendouzi start against City and Mkhitaryan in a deeper role tonight looked good as well, hope that manager saw how much better Aub and Lac as a pair are. The CB pair probably Sokratis and Mustafi. I prefer Lichtsteiner at RB with Leno in goal, am as likely to be wrong as right. It will be few games into season before we can be clear on what he see's as his best 11 for different oppositions, 433 or variant seems to be his preferred choice of set up, with man to man marking from corners.

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Definitely a better watch than trying to pick for FF, lol.

With a defensive 6 including a link player (Guen ?)) to Ozil, Mkh and the front 2 then you could rock, but Ozil and Mkh wander too much and stay central to both play in a 4-3-3 or 4-4-2? Play the 2 of them as 10's behind a 9 with width from F\WB's and again it could work? That would mean some sort of 4-1-4-1, or a 3-5-2, with 3-5-2 more fitting the squad with Bell and Kola\M-N as WB's?

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Totally gutted with today's news, have no problem with non British owning shares in club but should never ever be owned by a single person, dont care if it led to us buying every super star in the football world, its not or should not be a rich mans toy heart of club belongs to its fans. Supported them all my life, they are more than just a football team to me, for reasons not just to do with titles cups etc. but on a personnel level, changed my wedding date, when had a very traumatic event in my life, all of the the then players where wonderful to us as a family, its just so sad, would like to think that those who run the game would listen to fans but chances of that remote to non existent

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mikeg13 wrote: 07 Aug 2018, 13:44 Totally gutted with today's news, have no problem with non British owning shares in club but should never ever be owned by a single person, dont care if it led to us buying every super star in the football world, its not or should not be a rich mans toy heart of club belongs to its fans. Supported them all my life, they are more than just a football team to me, for reasons not just to do with titles cups etc. but on a personnel level, changed my wedding date, when had a very traumatic event in my life, all of the the then players where wonderful to us as a family, its just so sad, would like to think that those who run the game would listen to fans but chances of that remote to non existent
Unfortunately most clubs these days are owned by one bloke (even if through a company). Always has been that way at many clubs - Moores (family) at Liverpool, Walker at Blackburn, Sugar at Spurs, Harding then Roman at Chelsea etc. Not always the greatest individuals but at least they give a definite input rather than wallowing with no direction (may I say that has been Arsenal of recent years??).

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Taking a large loan to complete the deal, they will be registered out of Delaware, high chance his son will be parachuted in to run the club in the U.K.

We've seen how this goes down. Condolences from a United fan.

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Unfortunately the massive increase in the financial scale of the Premier League means there is only a tiny group of people who have the clout to become owners, and the majority of wealthy people I have met have got wealthy largely by being not very nice people who focus entirely on what is good for them and them alone.

And if you own Arsenal, you know you can sell out the stadium. Who cares who is buying the tickets, as long as someone is buying them. If the real fans are being gradually replaced by tourists / prawn sandwich brigade, not really a concern is it?

Personally I would have thought it better to talk to fans and aim to have them on side - better atmosphere in stadium = nicer place to be, and players likely to give 10% more effort - and that is my one qualm with overseas owners. Do they get it? Clubs are not franchises that can be moved to a new city (apologies to Wimbledon fans) etc.

On a positive note, I have a feeling Arsenal could do quite well this year and be pushing for 3rd. Whether that makes you feel any better is another story.

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