Crap managers who keep getting jobs

[jimmy ching]

Strange decision to give him the job for 2 years, might as well let the young pretender learn on the job and hope a striker turns up from somewhere? Perhaps more importantly they need a new genetic researcher to scout players with Irish grandparents (or ones who once went to Dublin and had a pint of Guinness...)

With Brexit arriving fast, the Irish player pool is vastly increasing

[murf]

scout players ... who once went to Dublin and had a pint of Guinness.

I'm in!

[forestfan]

scout players ... who once went to Dublin and had a pint of Guinness.

I'm in!

You’re more qualified than Tony Cascarino

[foxinthebox2001]

Mick isn't such a bad manager, shouldn't be linked to this thread.
I wonder how many tractor boys would take him back now, did they really think he was the obstacle for attaining success?
Not the worse idea to make use of his experience while developing a younger coach in the under 21's, and certain Stephen Kenny will have a peripheral role if they qualify for the EC.

[Tacalabala]

Mick isn't such a bad manager, shouldn't be linked to this thread. Yes he is
I wonder how many tractor boys would take him back now, did they really think he was the obstacle for attaining success? Zero, I invite you to take a day trip to Ipswich
Not the worse idea to make use of his experience while developing a younger coach in the under 21's, and certain Stephen Kenny will have a peripheral role if they qualify for the EC. It's a old boys appointment, but you can't expect anything better from FAI, they are a joke.

[jimmy ching]

Mick isn't such a bad manager, shouldn't be linked to this thread. Yes he is
I wonder how many tractor boys would take him back now, did they really think he was the obstacle for attaining success? Zero, I invite you to take a day trip to Ipswich
Not the worse idea to make use of his experience while developing a younger coach in the under 21's, and certain Stephen Kenny will have a peripheral role if they qualify for the EC. It's a old boys appointment, but you can't expect anything better from FAI, they are a joke.

We've got to try and put a positive spin on this.
How about MMMA. (Make Mick Magic Again).

[forestfan]

So, Mark Hughes definitely a member of the Crap Pack now, then? A dubious honour, being the first manager to be sacked by two PL teams in the same calendar year...

It’s unfair to suggest his entire career has been terrible, he’s had his successes, revitalising Wales, initially moving Stoke on from Pulisball and maintaining results. Newly-rich Man City was always going to be a step too far (especially for a true United man...) and QPR was a basket case. But he just seems to have run out of ideas, his teams have no real identity to them, most managers find the game passes them by eventually.

[Tacalabala]

I wouldn't begrudge him if he went off elsewhere like Turkey, Greece, MLS, but his done here at the top level.

[blahblah]

I saw his Prem Record somewhere online and his ability to get less than a point a game is something that I could achieve

[Zimmerman]

Its almost like recruiting a freshly sacked manager because he's taken a team to the brink of relegation is a bad idea?

He did arguably improve Stoke; three top half finishes before slipping back to latter-day Pulis 13th.

4/6 jobs ending prematurely suggests he's either a bad judge of job - or not very good at his job.

1999–2004 Wales
2004–2008 Blackburn Rovers (4 seasons)
2008–2009 Manchester City (15 months)
2010–2011 Fulham (1 season)
2012 Queens Park Rangers (11 months)
2013–2018 Stoke City (4.5 seasons)
2018 Southampton (8 months)

Does make you wonder though, how good is any manager.
The whole managerial merry-go-round is testament to that. Then the mythical new-manager-bounce.


An interesting thread (instead of who's next to be sacked) might be which one of this crew is employed again before the end of the season.

[hancockjr]

Its almost like recruiting a freshly sacked manager because he's taken a team to the brink of relegation is a bad idea?

He did arguably improve Stoke; three top half finishes before slipping back to latter-day Pulis 13th.

4/6 jobs ending prematurely suggests he's either a bad judge of job - or not very good at his job.

1999–2004 Wales
2004–2008 Blackburn Rovers (4 seasons)
2008–2009 Manchester City (15 months)
2010–2011 Fulham (1 season)
2012 Queens Park Rangers (11 months)
2013–2018 Stoke City (4.5 seasons)
2018 Southampton (8 months)

Does make you wonder though, how good is any manager.
The whole managerial merry-go-round is testament to that. Then the mythical new-manager-bounce.


An interesting thread (instead of who's next to be sacked) might be which one of this crew is employed again before the end of the season.

err - that is what this thread is about (getting jobs)

[Zimmerman]

Fair point , but i would argue the thread is just a meandering discussion about the regular crap managers. Whilst my suggestion was for a specific - who is next to get a job - thread.

[blahblah]

I thought it was more about when they got another job

[morganb]

So, is there a definitive list of crap managers?

From the list, those who are currently unemployed can then be used as the basis of a new game.

Then if an employed crap manager gets sacked he will be added onto the list.

The person who picks the first unemployed manager to find a job wins.

Bonus points if you can select the club (or slightly easier, the league) they end up at.

I'll start a separate thread once we've come up with an agreed upon list

[hancockjr]

Won't be easy to agree a list - many mentioned here (Hodgson, Pulis) are great managers at what they do in my opinion. Moyes too in my book.

Hughes would be on the list for me though, not impressed with any club management of his, and Wales is very hard to judge.

May be better to have an objective criteria - maybe sacked by three Premier league clubs outside of the top 6?

Anyone got stats for most premier league clubs sacked from, or at least managed, and we can work out which appointments proved unsuccessful).

[Zimmerman]

Some great posts in this thread.

on Ranieri

He's managed a remarkable number of big clubs. Chelsea, Inter, Juve, Roma, Valencia (twice), Atletico, the list goes on... and it appears he's never won a league title (top division) or a European trophy. Quite remarkable how he's remained so employable for so long.

Good to see Greece getting some payback for boring the crap out of us with their niggly, negative, destructive football at nearly every tournament for the last decade though! At least it seems they won't be in France.

How does Ranieri do it?

Leicester for the drop me thinks.

But probably the best / most relevant post(s)

Anybody read "Soccernomics"? (or its earlier incarnation "When England lose")? There's a whole chapter in there on how football clubs are notoriously clannish and keep appointing the same crap managers, even when better alternatives are available. The reason they do this is because the board is afraid of being blamed by the fans if they appoint someone who isn't from the usual stable of managers and who fails in the job. If they appoint a regular on the managerial merry-go-round, and he fails, its his fault, not theirs

I think there's a quote in football along the lines of "all managerial careers end in failure"
Not very inspiring I know.....but if you know that getting in, it must soften the blow on the way out........

[Zimmerman]

threw Hodge in to the mix back in 2012 (he's now up to 21 jobs in 42 years).
His 4 years at England helped balance the books

I am dedicating this thread to Gary Megson, now if it was a shouting contest, Megson is your man.
Before anyone goes there I have nothing against gingers.
9 (nine) managerial posts in 17 years, that takes some doing.

I'll raise your Megson with a John Sitton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obixCOVTVwY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'll see you both and raise you a Roy Hodgson.

20 posts in 36 years.

13 posts in the last 17 years.

[Zimmerman]

looks like 42 managers are mentioned in this thread to varying degrees (and varying degrees of crapness)

Still in work:

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Alex McLeish	10 clubs in 24 years	Scotland
Chris Coleman	7 jobs in 15 years	Hebei China Fortune
Gary Monk	4 jobs in 4 years	Birmingham
Martin Allen	14 jobs in 16 years	Chesterfield
Mick McCarthy	6 jobs in 26 years	Republic of Ireland
Neil Warnock	17 jobs in 38 years	Cardiff
Nigel Adkins	6 jobs in 25 years	Hull
Nigel Pearson	11 jobs in 20 years	OH Leuven
Paul Lambert	9 jobs in 13 years	Ipswich
Peter Taylor	20 jobs in 32 years	Dagenham & Redbridge
Roberto Mancini	8 jobs in 17 years	Italy
Roy Hodgson	21 jobs in 32 years	Palace
Phil Scolari	27 jobs in 36 years	Palmeiras
Steve McClaren	10 jobs in 17 years	QPR
Sven         	17 jobs in 41 years	Philipines
Tony Mowbray	6 jobs in 14 years	Blackburn
Tony Pulis	10 jobs in 26 years	Boro

Awaiting the phone call

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Mark Hughes	7 jobs in 19 years	not attached	18/19
Steve Bruce	9 jobs in 20 years	not attached	18/19
Phil Brown	5 jobs in 13 years	not attached	2018
Sam Allardyce	10 jobs in 24 years	not attached	17/18
Alan Pardew	7 clubs in 19 years	not attached	17/18
Ian Holloway	8 jobs in 22 years	not attached	17/18
Darren Ferguson	4 jobs in 11 years	not attached	17/18
David Moyes	6 jobs in 20 years	not attached	17/18
Owen Coyle	7 jobs in 13 years	not attached	17/18
Steve Cotterill	9 jobs in 23 years	not attached	17/18
AVB          	6 jobs in 7 seasons	not attached	16/17
Danny Wilson	9 jobs in 23 years	not attached	16/17
Juande Ramos  	16 jobs in 26 years	not attached	2016
Paul Sturrock	9 jobs in 22 years	not attached	2015
Peter Reid	8 jobs in 24 years	not attached	2014
Paul Ince	6 jobs in 8 years	not attached	13/14
Billy Davies	5 jobs in 16 years	not attached	13/14
Brian Laws	7 jobs in 19 years	not attached	12/13
George Burley 	9 jobs in 21 years	not attached	2012
Kevin Blackwell	4 jobs in 9 years	not attached	12/13
Gary Megson	9 jobs in 17 years	not attached	11/12
Paul Jewell	5 jobs in 14 years	not attached	11/12
Bryan Robson	5 jobs in 17 years	not attached	10/11
Roy Keane	2 jobs in 5 years	not attached	10/11
Brian Kidd	only actually managed Blackburn	

[morganb]

Brilliant work Zimm - I'll wait a while to see if anyone else wants to add/remove further managers from the lists then try to get a competition running by the end of the week.

[blahblah]

A tad harsh on Woy? I'm not sure the Liverpool and England years were that bad; he turned WBA around(?) and has won proper stuff?

[forestfan]

Did someone mention the Tinkerman?

Hasn't lasted 2 years anywhere since Chelsea, his recent "Grexit" taking things to the extreme!

He didn’t last 2 years at Leicester either, crapness proven

[blahblah]

Did someone mention the Tinkerman?

Hasn't lasted 2 years anywhere since Chelsea, his recent "Grexit" taking things to the extreme!

He didn’t last 2 years at Leicester either, crapness proven

I tried to remember why he got sacked, but couldn't get beyond the whole over achieving, lost Kante and "lost Dressing Room" which I take to mean Vardy and his missus thing.

[forestfan]

looks like 42 managers are mentioned in this thread to varying degrees (and varying degrees of crapness)

Still in work:

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Alex McLeish	10 clubs in 24 years	Scotland
Chris Coleman	7 jobs in 15 years	Hebei China Fortune
Gary Monk	4 jobs in 4 years	Birmingham
Martin Allen	14 jobs in 16 years	Chesterfield
Mick McCarthy	6 jobs in 26 years	Republic of Ireland
Neil Warnock	17 jobs in 38 years	Cardiff
Nigel Adkins	6 jobs in 25 years	Hull
Nigel Pearson	11 jobs in 20 years	OH Leuven
Paul Lambert	9 jobs in 13 years	Ipswich
Peter Taylor	20 jobs in 32 years	Dagenham & Redbridge
Roberto Mancini	8 jobs in 17 years	Italy
Roy Hodgson	21 jobs in 32 years	Palace
Phil Scolari	27 jobs in 36 years	Palmeiras
Steve McClaren	10 jobs in 17 years	QPR
Sven         	17 jobs in 41 years	Philipines
Tony Mowbray	6 jobs in 14 years	Blackburn
Tony Pulis	10 jobs in 26 years	Boro

Awaiting the phone call

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Mark Hughes	7 jobs in 19 years	not attached	18/19
Steve Bruce	9 jobs in 20 years	not attached	18/19
Phil Brown	5 jobs in 13 years	not attached	2018
Sam Allardyce	10 jobs in 24 years	not attached	17/18
Alan Pardew	7 clubs in 19 years	not attached	17/18
Ian Holloway	8 jobs in 22 years	not attached	17/18
Darren Ferguson	4 jobs in 11 years	not attached	17/18
David Moyes	6 jobs in 20 years	not attached	17/18
Owen Coyle	7 jobs in 13 years	not attached	17/18
Steve Cotterill	9 jobs in 23 years	not attached	17/18
AVB          	6 jobs in 7 seasons	not attached	16/17
Danny Wilson	9 jobs in 23 years	not attached	16/17
Juande Ramos  	16 jobs in 26 years	not attached	2016
Paul Sturrock	9 jobs in 22 years	not attached	2015
Peter Reid	8 jobs in 24 years	not attached	2014
Paul Ince	6 jobs in 8 years	not attached	13/14
Billy Davies	5 jobs in 16 years	not attached	13/14
Brian Laws	7 jobs in 19 years	not attached	12/13
George Burley 	9 jobs in 21 years	not attached	2012
Kevin Blackwell	4 jobs in 9 years	not attached	12/13
Gary Megson	9 jobs in 17 years	not attached	11/12
Paul Jewell	5 jobs in 14 years	not attached	11/12
Bryan Robson	5 jobs in 17 years	not attached	10/11
Roy Keane	2 jobs in 5 years	not attached	10/11
Brian Kidd	only actually managed Blackburn	

A few I think you missed who have been mentioned:

Kevin Keegan
Dean Saunders
Joe Kinnear
Stuart Pearce
Mike Walker (going back a bit, I know...)
Tim Sherwood
Remi Garde

I’ll let you do the stats

That’s probably about it, of those mentioned who are still alive, anyway (a couple who aren’t were mentioned, but no point revisiting them...)

[blahblah]

That lot are off the Manager Waiting List?

Sherwood was an odd one though, but then he spouts shite when I have seen\heard him as an "expert".

[morganb]

Not checked the lists but you can now add Paul Clement to the available list and possibly take one one of the crap ones off to give to Reading

[bluenosey]

Not checked the lists but you can now add Paul Clement to the available list and possibly take one one of the crap ones off to give to Reading

Seems Brucie is the favourite. I actually think that would be a good appointment for you.

[Tacalabala]

Not checked the lists but you can now add Paul Clement to the available list and possibly take one one of the crap ones off to give to Reading

Seems Brucie is the favourite. I actually think that would be a good appointment for you.

He is a lovely bloke by all accounts, but what the Steve Bruce style of play? I've found it hard to identify if he has one at all.

[blahblah]

Not checked the lists but you can now add Paul Clement to the available list and possibly take one one of the crap ones off to give to Reading

Seems Brucie is the favourite. I actually think that would be a good appointment for you.

He is a lovely bloke by all accounts, but what the Steve Bruce style of play? I've found it hard to identify if he has one at all.

Wigan played OK stuff?

Definitely in the functional list now though?

My definition of a crap one that would have your head in hands if your club appointed him.

[blahblah]

Does Jose count now?

OGS is as good as there though?

[blahblah]

Sheff Weds are next up to plough this trough, with Bruce linked....