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Post-Brexit Overseas Players Cap

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Have not read article yet, but apparently Times today says there will be a cap of 12 overseas players per team post-Brexit. If clubs refuse to agree, all EU signings would go through the same work permit issues that non-EU players do, and clearly many would fail the tests.

My initial thoughts are that this would hurt lower sides, as they would be more likely to sign non-international overseas players?

Might this give the home grown youngsters a reasonable chance of more game time?

I suspect the whole plan is only relevant for a no-deal Brexit, but if anyone knows more on the specifics please share.

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Not sure the lower sides would be impacted. They are already signing players from lesser nations - so they are still full internationals (it’s just they play for Luxembourg, Andorra or Scotland rather than Spain or Germany).

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The whole thing is highly speculative at this point in time as it's no more than an initial proposal in a situation where we still don't know the details of the form that Brexit will take.

However if we do leave the EU and if there are true constraints on the freedom of movement, it seems a good idea as according to Brexiteers a merit of leaving the EU was that the controls on EU nationals coming to work in the UK would increase job opportunities for British workers. Several studies have shown this to be complete bollox in most sectors, but I'm guessing that it would increase job opportunities at the highest level for British footballers. The only downside would be if the quality of the product fell sufficiently that attendances fell with lower match day employment for lower level staff or if it reduced sales both at home and abroad of TV pictures, which would presumably have an adverse effect on employment in the media companies. But this might just be an area where the Brexiteers false promise of increased employment of Brits might not be the total bollox that it is in many sectors of the economy.

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I think people are more likely to switch off watching a bunch of overpaid prima donnas, than switch off because the quality has dropped a bit.

The Sheffield and Second City derbies take place in the Championship. It matters not one jot about the quality.

Attendances are most likely to drop because it is too expensive to go, to subsidise Sky and BT to pay players and agents inflated wages. That gets fan's backs up. Not the referendum result. The gulf between today's players and the average fan in the the street is massive. It's not down to Brexit

"But this might just be an area where the Brexiteers false promise of increased employment of Brits might not be the total bollox that it is in many sectors of the economy"

The number of job vacancies is now at a record high, even before (if) we leave. This will give more choices for young people and also drive wages up (demand and supply economics). More people leaving will also free up the housing supply crisis and hopefully lead to a much needed decline in house prices. There are signs that this may be happening already.

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A reduction in foreign Premier League footballers won’t exactly keep unemployment down among young British people, the number of potential vacancies created is rather limited!

If the quality drops and big names move on, it might not necessarily damage attendances, but it will destroy the value of global TV rights, and probably lead to owners and investors pulling out, setting a downward spiral in progress.

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forestfan wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 19:35 A reduction in foreign Premier League footballers won’t exactly keep unemployment down among young British people, the number of potential vacancies created is rather limited!

If the quality drops and big names move on, it might not necessarily damage attendances, but it will destroy the value of global TV rights, and probably lead to owners and investors pulling out, setting a downward spiral in progress.
That's a comment on the job market in general FF, not football related, even though, hopefully, young English players will get more first team action, rather than be loaned out to a lower tier club.

There will always be winners and losers. If Chelsea or Man City lost their owners and went into freefall, will the likes of Leeds and Norwich fans be concerned if they take their place ? Doubtful. The Financial Fairplay rules should stop teams overspending ( I know all about that)

Watch Boca v River Plate in the Copa Libertores. All the big names players have gone but to the people of Buenos Aires it means everything.

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bluenosey wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 19:56
forestfan wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 19:35 A reduction in foreign Premier League footballers won’t exactly keep unemployment down among young British people, the number of potential vacancies created is rather limited!

If the quality drops and big names move on, it might not necessarily damage attendances, but it will destroy the value of global TV rights, and probably lead to owners and investors pulling out, setting a downward spiral in progress.
That's a comment on the job market in general FF, not football related, even though, hopefully, young English players will get more first team action, rather than be loaned out to a lower tier club.

There will always be winners and losers. If Chelsea or Man City lost their owners and went into freefall, will the likes of Leeds and Norwich fans be concerned if they take their place ? Doubtful. The Financial Fairplay rules should stop teams overspending ( I know all about that)

Watch Boca v River Plate in the Copa Libertores. All the big names players have gone but to the people of Buenos Aires it means everything.
Yeah, but nobody else cares...

The Premier League has its faults but in terms of getting a decent proportion of the world’s best players to this country, it’s a big achievement, it’s become one of our big exports, and the next step is pushing towards the stage where everyone who’s anyone plays here, and Barcelona and Madrid are just semi-retirement homes with nice weather, like the MLS. Would be a shame if Brexit derailed that.

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Why should European average players come here but not those of non EU countries?

Like all imported labour issues we could just tweak the work permit rules for ALL countries to get the right numbers in. Logically this will IMPROVE the overall quality of imported labour if the numbers coming in remains constant (or decreases).

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And the fact England were leading a World Cup semi final completely blows away the argument that having too many overseas playing kills the national team.

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Tacalabala wrote:And the fact England were leading a World Cup semi final completely blows away the argument that having too many overseas playing kills the national team.
We'll win it post Brexit ;)

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Oh no, the FA Premiership are reaching the cliff edge, this could lead to disaster. Where's our sacrificial lamb? I know, let's put a woman in charge. :!:
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I think Scudamore has seen it coming.

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If there is anyone who has to bring down an ivory tower, Dinnage is the name. A very healthy CV on understanding where this digital age might be taking us. All the best to her, as I admire her bravery for accepting a job in rocky sea’s.

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Yes, hats off to her for daring to take a job that’s potentially going to earn her £2.5m a year. Real bravery 😂

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Zimmerman wrote: 14 Nov 2018, 09:15 Yes, hats off to her for daring to take a job that’s potentially going to earn her £2.5m a year. Real bravery 😂
Can we start chipping in for her £5m retirement present yet?

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Zimmerman wrote: 14 Nov 2018, 09:15 Yes, hats off to her for daring to take a job that’s potentially going to earn her £2.5m a year. Real bravery 😂
Following Scudamore is like following Ferguson. Nobody likes a requiem job.

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jimmy ching wrote:
Zimmerman wrote: 14 Nov 2018, 09:15 Yes, hats off to her for daring to take a job that’s potentially going to earn her £2.5m a year. Real bravery Image
Following Scudamore is like following Ferguson. Nobody likes a requiem job.
But nobody loves Scudamore. We'll only know how good he was when somebody else screws up.

He has certainly overseen a huge increase in revenue and prestige of the league so has been a huge success in that respect but this old school fan preferred the old days.

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murf wrote: 15 Nov 2018, 22:57 He has certainly overseen a huge increase in revenue and prestige of the league so has been a huge success in that respect but this old school fan preferred the old days.
What, hooliganism inside grounds, crumbling stadia, disasters, ban from Europe, mudbath pitches, plastic pitches, all time low attendances, poor/nonexistent TV coverage, the Screen Sport Super Cup...

Let’s face it, the only thing 80s football really had going for it was that Forest (and Liverpool) were good :wink:

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forestfan wrote: 17 Nov 2018, 10:24
murf wrote: 15 Nov 2018, 22:57 He has certainly overseen a huge increase in revenue and prestige of the league so has been a huge success in that respect but this old school fan preferred the old days.
What, hooliganism inside grounds, crumbling stadia, disasters, ban from Europe, mudbath pitches, plastic pitches, all time low attendances, poor/nonexistent TV coverage, the Screen Sport Super Cup...

Let’s face it, the only thing 80s football really had going for it was that Forest (and Liverpool) were good :wink:
Yep, proper football and standing on The Kop. Beats plastic seating for plastic fans (or a leather sofa for a non-attending fan in my case).

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forestfan wrote: 17 Nov 2018, 10:24
murf wrote: 15 Nov 2018, 22:57 He has certainly overseen a huge increase in revenue and prestige of the league so has been a huge success in that respect but this old school fan preferred the old days.
What, hooliganism inside grounds, crumbling stadia, disasters, ban from Europe, mudbath pitches, plastic pitches, all time low attendances, poor/nonexistent TV coverage, the Screen Sport Super Cup...

Let’s face it, the only thing 80s football really had going for it was that Forest (and Liverpool) were good :wink:
You forgot The Saint and Greavsie.

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